marcopaulo Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 i don't like the situation at all but i wouldn't feel better knowing what price the club is being sold at..the people who might be interested in buying the club will find out how much they need...it surprises me how many evertonians believe we are such an attractive proposition to any business man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 Well as much as they have their opponents I'm sure that the sale of baines will add some support. Remember they clearly indicated that to keep going the club needs to sell our best players. The reality of this will no doubt inadvertently pressure the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 i don't like the situation at all but i wouldn't feel better knowing what price the club is being sold at..the people who might be interested in buying the club will find out how much they need...it surprises me how many evertonians believe we are such an attractive proposition to any business man It's ridiculous, isn't it? They all look at Man City and Chelsea and just expect a billionaire to be out there for us. Note to them, if he existed he'd of bought us by now, regardless of Kenwright or who evers on the board. The only way we make a profit is by selling players, cant see why anyone would want a businessman to come in. It would be a fire sale followed by a bunch of cowboys riding away into the sun with the fans left with a skeleton of a club in the Championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonButtle Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 How many football clubs release all their information or any other business for that matter? Would be like purposely not mucking your losing hand in poker, your rivals gain much more than you will ever do from it. Well we don't need to know all the information, just some will do rather than the complete anti-fan policy our board seems to adopt at times, you only need to see the recent shirt fiasco to see how much the EFC board care about it's fans, and at the helm is the worlds biggest evertonian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 er because thats how you keep your fans onside by actually letting them know whats going on, its not the Cold War, cloak and dagger never achieved anything, it just surprises me how many evertonians seem happy to settle for this situation, each to their own though. but you cant run a business like that. Letting out too much communication can threaten more than help. Also, Im not confident the BU or supporters in general would be able to do anything with information given! Well as much as they have their opponents I'm sure that the sale of baines will add some support. Remember they clearly indicated that to keep going the club needs to sell our best players. The reality of this will no doubt inadvertently pressure the board. What sale of Baines? Theres a contract on the table to be signed? Speculation for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonButtle Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 It's ridiculous, isn't it? They all look at Man City and Chelsea and just expect a billionaire to be out there for us. Note to them, if he existed he'd of bought us by now, regardless of Kenwright or who evers on the board. The only way we make a profit is by selling players, cant see why anyone would want a businessman to come in. It would be a fire sale followed by a bunch of cowboys riding away into the sun with the fans left with a skeleton of a club in the Championship. We do have to face the facts we are not a good buy, new stadium, small squad, debt, crazy ass loans to banks, but who's fault is that? BUT i do agree tha fans who think an Abramovich type is just going to turn up one day our dreaming, but still so much more could be done and its not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 Well we don't need to know all the information, just some will do rather than the complete anti-fan policy our board seems to adopt at times, you only need to see the recent shirt fiasco to see how much the EFC board care about it's fans, and at the helm is the worlds biggest evertonian. what info do you want to know? and what could you do with said info when given it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonButtle Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 but you cant run a business like that. Letting out too much communication can threaten more than help. Also, Im not confident the BU or supporters in general would be able to do anything with information given! What sale of Baines? Theres a contract on the table to be signed? Speculation for now. Like i said, we don't need all the information, just nice to know whats going on at times thats all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 We do have to face the facts we are not a good buy, new stadium, small squad, debt, crazy ass loans to banks, but who's fault is that? BUT i do agree tha fans who think an Abramovich type is just going to turn up one day our dreaming, but still so much more could be done and its not so why are you so expectant of someone buying this club and goin on about other clubs bein taken over before us if you know we aren't a good buy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonButtle Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 what info do you want to know? and what could you do with said info when given it? What is being done to attract investment, where are we looking, i don't honestly care if BK does'nt want to sell anymore, but he needs to at least get some people with a bit of knowledge along side of him, it's all been going on far too long now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonButtle Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 so why are you so expectant of someone buying this club and goin on about other clubs bein taken over before us if you know we aren't a good buy? Im not expectant of anyone buying the club because i don't actually think we are for sale, they are all if's and but's at the end of the day, we don't know because we never hear anything, it's only my opinion and im entitled to it, most people on TT seem more than happy with the way things are done at the club, its all about opinions at the end of the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 I wish I could close this thread, it just pisses me off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonButtle Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 I wish I could close this thread, it just pisses me off. Please do, its becoming pointless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 What is being done to attract investment, where are we looking, i don't honestly care if BK does'nt want to sell anymore, but he needs to at least get some people with a bit of knowledge along side of him, it's all been going on far too long now fair enough. But, if the board dont want to answer, its up to them. We both know where we stand, lets leave it at that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonButtle Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 fair enough. But, if the board dont want to answer, its up to them. We both know where we stand, lets leave it at that indeed, best way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 Can I just make one point that I think is important from reading the last two pages. The BU do not want to run the club, and have never said they do. So people saying they don't know how to run the club, very true, they dont. They are asking the owners of the club to put people in charge who do know how to run a club upto the standard required. Also for the record, I am neither for or against the BU, but I do agree our board need to wake up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 Can I just make one point that I think is important from reading the last two pages. The BU do not want to run the club, and have never said they do. So people saying they don't know how to run the club, very true, they dont. They are asking the owners of the club to put people in charge who do know how to run a club upto the standard required. Also for the record, I am neither for or against the BU, but I do agree our board need to wake up. And that's the problem, as I've already stated that is not in any way, shape or form, an actual plan. If they walked into a bank with that as a business model, they'd be laughed out. So I don't see why the club is entertaining their dumb asses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 (edited) And that's the problem, as I've already stated that is not in any way, shape or form, an actual plan. If they walked into a bank with that as a business model, they'd be laughed out. So I don't see why the club is entertaining their dumb asses. Because it's clear they need help with a lot of the off field stuff, and they if were serious about the club as businessmen or really do want to sell then they'd want to maximise anything they possibly could. Instead, we've got people making poor marketing decisions and BK almost selling to a man who lived in a bedsit! Edited June 5, 2012 by Romey 1878 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 Ok, let me rephrase. They can see that the current people doing the job arent good enough, and they would like people doing the job to be of a higher standard. We, as fans, do this all the time with players. Plenty of people dont think we have a good enough right winger and think we should find a right winger of a higher standard. Its just the same thing, but the people in question have a different job title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 Ok, let me rephrase. They can see that the current people doing the job arent good enough, and they would like people doing the job to be of a higher standard. We, as fans, do this all the time with players. Plenty of people dont think we have a good enough right winger and think we should find a right winger of a higher standard. Its just the same thing, but the people in question have a different job title. But if these people were available wouldnt the club of already hired them? Kenwright runs a very successful business, I'm sure he knows what job roles are needed and has hired what we can afford, even if we could afford someone like Gary Cook (not that I'd want him), the same group of fans would go mental at the club paying millions to a CEO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 Ok, let me rephrase. They can see that the current people doing the job arent good enough, and they would like people doing the job to be of a higher standard. We, as fans, do this all the time with players. Plenty of people dont think we have a good enough right winger and think we should find a right winger of a higher standard. Its just the same thing, but the people in question have a different job title. fair point but what if there isnt anyone available? would the BU guys be happy spending more money on more business men if they were? Also, we as fans dont go stomping our feet through the streets saying "Bily out" (see what I did there?) or to change the team selection. We can complain/debate/etc as much as we like, but we wouldnt protest so I dont see it as the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 Im pretty sure there are people who run successful businesses, on a large global scale, which we are, who would love the chance to work in football. Kenwright runs a very successful business, but it is not a multi million pound company on the same scale as the football club. and to be more accurate, he owns the company and is the managing director, but take a look at his website, he employs a lot of people who will be speacialists at what they do. http://www.kenwright.com/index.php?id=578 The last major CEO we had was Trevor Birch, who went on record to say what a mess the company was in when he came on board. He also had a lack of support from the board with his ideas of moving the club forward and possibly bringing in new owners. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/e/everton/3901225.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 (edited) fair point but what if there isnt anyone available? would the BU guys be happy spending more money on more business men if they were? Also, we as fans dont go stomping our feet through the streets saying "Bily out" (see what I did there?) or to change the team selection. We can complain/debate/etc as much as we like, but we wouldnt protest so I dont see it as the same thing. Come on Matt, the possibility that there isnt anyone with experience of running major companies, if you pay the going rate you can bring these guys in. You must have that in your job, its the same in any industry, there is always someone willing to do the job, always someone with experience and a proven record. If need be, go and poach someone, pay over the odds if it sorts the club out. We do it with players. I agree, protesting wont get us there. Id like Bill to realise himself that the people he is employing are not doing a good enough job, but he either doesnt see it or doesnt want to do anything about it. OK, its not the same thing but it was the nearest comparison (and nice on the Bily comment, creative) Edited June 5, 2012 by StevO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 Come on Matt, the possibility that there isnt anyone with experience of running major companies, if you pay the going rate you can bring these guys in. You must have that in your job, its the same in any industry, there is always someone willing to do the job, always someone with experience and a proven record. If need be, go and poach someone, pay over the odds if it sorts the club out. We do it with players. I agree, protesting wont get us there. Id like Bill to realise himself that the people he is employing are not doing a good enough job, but he either doesnt see it or doesnt want to do anything about it. OK, its not the same thing but it was the nearest comparison (and nice on the Bily comment, creative) I know its unlikely, but its possible. Its also possible noone wants the job and even if we bring someone in, we dont know if they'll be better or worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 fair point but what if there isnt anyone available? would the BU guys be happy spending more money on more business men if they were? Also, we as fans dont go stomping our feet through the streets saying "Bily out" (see what I did there?) or to change the team selection. We can complain/debate/etc as much as we like, but we wouldnt protest so I dont see it as the same thing. More like "Bily in (midfield behind the striker)!" doesn't quite have the same ring to it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 I know its unlikely, but its possible. Its also possible noone wants the job and even if we bring someone in, we dont know if they'll be better or worse. It is possible mate, I agree with that. But they seem content with the current poor performance, thats what gets me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 It is possible mate, I agree with that. But they seem content with the current poor performance, thats what gets me. trouble is they dont see poor performance. They see record deals set which offered a quick answer (which theyve achieved), record turnovers, hoping on the pitch performances would keep them in Europe and theyd have time for a long term plan. Team didnt deliver, theyre also partly (small part I'll grant you) to blame for financial predicament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 Again I agree mate. We all know these quick turn around deals arent the answer. OK we went from 0.5m loss on merch to 3m profit over night, but to lock it down for 10 years is poor planning. I also think these record deals are only records due to the length of our poor performance. I know what my boss would do if I told him we were hemoraging money but I think we are doing well. I would be replaced before I was out of the door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 This man made the biggest difference, we would have had £20 million which would have set us up for a much better decade. European exposure and less debt, could have even had a knock on effect of being able to keep hold of our players and making the champions league every year. The best part it would have been earned rather than given by a sugar daddy. But Fifa dont do dreams they like the 'big' teams with their big stars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 Again I agree mate. We all know these quick turn around deals arent the answer. OK we went from 0.5m loss on merch to 3m profit over night, but to lock it down for 10 years is poor planning. I also think these record deals are only records due to the length of our poor performance. I know what my boss would do if I told him we were hemoraging money but I think we are doing well. I would be replaced before I was out of the door. You do realise you are moaning about wanting improvement, and then moaning that the club has improved but it's too late. They're getting it right now, give them a chance to see if it carries on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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