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That alone shows the stupidity of those behind the scenes at Everton. International fans want a shirt, great, get on the website and order one but I'd imagine they'd get destroyed when it came to p&p.

 

ridiculous really...we had li tie who was big in china and we never took advantage...we have tim howard and had landon twice who are huge in america...we should be shittin merchandise money

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ridiculous really...we had li tie who was big in china and we never took advantage...we have tim howard and had landon twice who are huge in america...we should be shittin merchandise money

 

 

We're getting better off the pitch but we're still miles behind where we should be.

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Well I hope Moyes is doing one of two things, either pushing up his price, or looking at the role of motivator/super sub.

Tim would be a great player to bring on with 20 minute to go when we need a goal.His form picked up towards the end of the season but to be fair it had to.

I'm sure Tims a pretty good bloke to have around in the changing room, you'd think he's got plenty of chat, games are sometimes won or lost even before the players go out on the pitch.Probably make a good assistant manager in a couple of years.

 

I just can't really see him starting that many games in the future.

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That alone shows the stupidity of those behind the scenes at Everton. International fans want a shirt, great, get on the website and order one but I'd imagine they'd get destroyed when it came to p&p.

Exactly the reason why there is no real point to signing the likes of Park Ji Sung, even if they are available, the benefits to most in terms of commercial value are meaningless to us because of the stupid kitbag deal.

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I dont understand why we just wouldnt do a loss leader on football shirts with iconic names on the back like Cahill, Li Tie, Howard etc. What is the cost of a football shirt at manufacture price? I would guess around £5.00 I would sell them on the Everton webiste for around £12.00 only make maybe one or two quid per shirt but we are advertising our club all over the world.

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Exactly the reason why there is no real point to signing the likes of Park Ji Sung, even if they are available, the benefits to most in terms of commercial value are meaningless to us because of the stupid kitbag deal.

 

apart from the fact that he's a decent footballer who is a proven big game player with tonnes of experience...no real point at all

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apart from the fact that he's a decent footballer who is a proven big game player with tonnes of experience...no real point at all

i am aware of that, but he is hardly the type of player we are desperate for, and we were linked last week, we have plenty of workhorse types, don't need another imo.

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i am aware of that, but he is hardly the type of player we are desperate for, and we were linked last week, we have plenty of workhorse types, don't need another imo.

 

Disagree - a pienaar type player (which I think ji sung is) on each wing and we'd have so much possession in attacking areas - just what we need IMO.

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they probably make a little as it's everton's image but he will get his own image rights so i doubt it makes a dent for everton

correct, there is a website dedicated to buying cahill stuff, he seems that bad towards image rights etc.. he wouldnt sign my brothers ball without putting my brothers name on it assuming he thought he would sell it but still no need imo

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Disagree - a pienaar type player (which I think ji sung is) on each wing and we'd have so much possession in attacking areas - just what we need IMO.

Well, i would never have said that Park was in the Pienaar mould tbh

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if we had a player like park in a big game like the semi final we wouldn't have surrendered it so easily i don't think

we would have needed 11 of those and a different manager to win that semi final, it was a disgrace

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Well, i would never have said that Park was in the Pienaar mould tbh

 

Hard working, versatile midfielder, whose game is based more on a good 1st touch etc, rather than pace and direct running like many wingers.

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we would have needed 11 of those and a different manager to win that semi final, it was a disgrace

 

1 player givin it some can liven the whole team up..we've seen it before but no one stepped up...park has won the lot and had a big hand in doing so

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1 player givin it some can liven the whole team up..we've seen it before but no one stepped up...park has won the lot and had a big hand in doing so

Nev can do it with just a slide tackle on the half way line.

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Quite liked Cahill as a player in his day, I must admit. Father Time catches up with us all though.

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I think you guys are onto something with the loss leader on club jerseys on an international level. Here in Australia if you ask someone who has no clue about the game to name a team in the EPL they'll say either Manchester United or Chelsea, just because loads of people are walking around in their jerseys. Raises their profile internationally and creates revenue. I would have thought with Cahill being so well known over here that the club would have flooded Australian fans with jerseys as an investment.

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If the price they are giving the club is good I would gladly let him leave.

 

He has been great for us however, I think it is his time and he wanted to retire in Australia so he could rack up the money there and have a nice couple seasons in the A-League with a bunch of money from the Saudi Club

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http://theworldgame....ive-Saudi-deal?

$4.5 mil a year contract, is roughly what he's on here, but if he only goes for one season I'd assume he'd pay no tax on it, so would double his money.

the club’s top earner on an estimated $75,000 a week
Errr.... Though Felli was. Article is bull in my opinion. Id happily let him go but there would be the loss of Aussie/Eastern interest which would impact sales somewhat, though not sure how much. Not to mention the impact on the kids coming through and the team in general. I'd like him to stay on as a coach to be honest, or come back after a final payday.

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maybe not:

 

 

 

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Tim Cahill has stated he will deal with speculation over his Everton future after International duty, but hints at a move to the Middle East

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We're getting better off the pitch but we're still miles behind where we should be.

 

I'm not sure we are getting better off the pitch Mark.

 

 

If Tim has the chance of a good payday and we can get a decent transfer fee, let him go and wish him all the best.

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I'm not sure we are getting better off the pitch Mark.

But are kits are now manufactured by Nike rolleyes.gif . Joking aside there have been improvements, but we still have a lot to do in building are revenue streams. Short term we need European football to get more exposure and hopefully higher comercial revenue. Long-term we need a new ground with commercial abilities on top of bigger crowds.

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Thought I'd try my hand at havig my glass half full mate tongue.png.

 

Give me that glass beer.gif

downed it

 

 

But are kits are now manufactured by Nike rolleyes.gif . Joking aside there have been improvements, but we still have a lot to do in building are revenue streams. Short term we need European football to get more exposure and hopefully higher comercial revenue. Long-term we need a new ground with commercial abilities on top of bigger crowds.

 

We dont do anything with the exposure, the biggest factor of exposure should be merchandise sales but we out sourced it. Then we dont fill our current ground, and any matchday revenue other than tickets, we dont make any money, we outsourced it. Long contracts with the out sourcing is quickly putting us behind the competition and we cant get out of these deals for years. Too many quick fixes. No long term planning.

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Give me that glass beer.gif

downed it

 

 

 

 

We dont do anything with the exposure, the biggest factor of exposure should be merchandise sales but we out sourced it. Then we dont fill our current ground, and any matchday revenue other than tickets, we dont make any money, we outsourced it. Long contracts with the out sourcing is quickly putting us behind the competition and we cant get out of these deals for years. Too many quick fixes. No long term planning.

 

Isn't outsourcing it giving it to people who are better than themselves, which is exactly what is being asked for them to do. We dont sell out because the stadium has 8000+ obstructed views, discount them and we sell out every week. The government knocked back the Tesco stadium (absolute joke of a decision during a recession) and we couldnt afford the King dock stadium, European football would have made us a more attractive investment but we got robbed by Fifa with an assist from a baldy cunt.

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Isn't outsourcing it giving it to people who are better than themselves, which is exactly what is being asked for them to do.

 

 

This outsourcing means we get a set fee while the company that covers the catering rakes in a hell of a lot more every matchday. How does that make good business sense?

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Outsourcing is a very limited way of running a business. We could make more money by actually employing people to work for the club to run these things, thats how a big majority of clubs are making big money.

 

True we have a lot of obstructed views, but we dont even sell out all the good seats apart from united and the derby. They wont discount tickets, they just dont do it.

 

We didnt have the money we needed for Kirkby anyway.

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This outsourcing means we get a set fee while the company that covers the catering rakes in a hell of a lot more every matchday. How does that make good business sense?

We were making no profit from it, so have out sourced to experts on a short term deal, we get their expertise and more profit than if we done it by ourselves. They make a profit doing what they're good at. Win-win. At the end of the deal we can carry on doing it ourselves with the knowledges gained from them, or they will offer a better terms. Again step forward for the club, a very sensible bit of business.

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Apparently there are multiple clubs named "Al Nasr" in the Middle East. I just saw an article linking Cahill to the UAE Al-Nasr instead of the Saudi Al-Nasr. This might make more sense, as fellow Australian Mark Bresciano plays for the club, and clubs in the UAE seem to be more spending big money on getting foreign players and coaches more than the Saudis have.

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We were making no profit from it, so have out sourced to experts on a short term deal, we get their expertise and more profit than if we done it by ourselves. They make a profit doing what they're good at. Win-win. At the end of the deal we can carry on doing it ourselves with the knowledges gained from them, or they will offer a better terms. Again step forward for the club, a very sensible bit of business.

 

short term deals? nope.

learn from them? how? they bring in all of their own staff.

we were poor at what we were doing, instead of learning and improving we just took the easy, limited option. not a step forward at all.

 

actually, im bored of it now. i just give up.

 

pete im sorry, the club is progressing, im wrong.

also, i'll call the bank in the morning and tell them dont worry, the club is doing well, you will have your money back very soon as our commercial deals will look after us.

 

any update on the sarcasm font?

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short term deals? nope.

learn from them? how? they bring in all of their own staff.

we were poor at what we were doing, instead of learning and improving we just took the easy, limited option. not a step forward at all.

 

actually, im bored of it now. i just give up.

 

pete im sorry, the club is progressing, im wrong.

also, i'll call the bank in the morning and tell them dont worry, the club is doing well, you will have your money back very soon as our commercial deals will look after us.

 

any update on the sarcasm font?

10 years is relatively short, and we're three years in and been on the winning side of the deal so far. Only 7 years left which is less than half the time period of a patent, so considering it's information we're gaining it is a very good deal.

The club have been doing it for years at a loss (with 20 years experience?), surely it makes sense to let a specialist take over. It's hardly going to be hush hush what they're doing, the club will be watching over, with the length of the deal indicating to me that the club has access to full information otherwise theyd be no reason to make the deal for that long. Apparently Kitbag have made a loss up to now, so how Everton were meant to make a profits through self learning is very unrealistic. Having the money upfront is helping our finances, if we were doing it ourselves we would have been £9+ mil out of pocket(bye bye *insert 9 mil player here*), with this year due a profit. We wont get the benefits of the higher profits now, but the cash upfront has helped us keep one player (or a few fringe players) and now kit bag will earn there money back over the next 7 years, with us still getting 3 mil a year is a fair deal. Also the money being guaranteed gives us more leeway with the banks as the revenue is secured.

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10 years is relatively short, and we're three years in and been on the winning side of the deal so far. Only 7 years left which is less than half the time period of a patent, so considering it's information we're gaining it is a very good deal.

The club have been doing it for years at a loss (with 20 years experience?), surely it makes sense to let a specialist take over. It's hardly going to be hush hush what they're doing, the club will be watching over, with the length of the deal indicating to me that the club has access to full information otherwise theyd be no reason to make the deal for that long. Apparently Kitbag have made a loss up to now, so how Everton were meant to make a profits through self learning is very unrealistic. Having the money upfront is helping our finances, if we were doing it ourselves we would have been £9+ mil out of pocket(bye bye *insert 9 mil player here*), with this year due a profit. We wont get the benefits of the higher profits now, but the cash upfront has helped us keep one player (or a few fringe players) and now kit bag will earn there money back over the next 7 years, with us still getting 3 mil a year is a fair deal. Also the money being guaranteed gives us more leeway with the banks as the revenue is secured.

 

OK, the deal is good. but then newcastle and villa (pretty much the same stature in todays game) are bringing in a hell of a lot more, just for the kit deal even before a shirt is sold. but due to previous poor performance we can now say well done lads, you used to be shite, nor your just a bit rubbish and a lot worse than your competitors, but its progress, good job!

 

bored of this now, i had a conversation with my 3 year old god daughter yesterday, it was much more productive than this, even after a few beers and a curry with a hang over.

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The KitBag deal wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't an exclusive deal (we do LOVE our exclusivity deals don't we?). It's sickening walking into sports shops (and I mean locally, nevermind across the country) and seeing shirts by every club but ours. It's a little embarrassing that I can get a shirt for a foreign side at my local sports shop but not an Everton shirt.

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I would be a bit gutted if he goes because I still think he has a lot to offer Everton

 

He played a large portion of last season carrying injuries and playing out of position and I thought he starte to look a bit more like his old self once Jelavic came

, but I suppose its the ToffeeTalk way to write him off and have a good moan

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hardly writing him off..it's time for younger blood...is it so wrong to see him not struggle through games and be a passenger for the most part?

 

Thats my point I dont think he will struggle through games and be a passenger

 

I fully understand letting him go if we need him off the wage bill, but all Im saying is that I think he would be a great player to have around Finch Farm and I think he would be a great player to be bringing off the bench.

 

As I said I think the main reason his form dipped last season was because he was carrying injuries and playing out of position all the time, let him get a good preseason under his belt and maybe even use him more sparingly and I reckon you will start to see a bit more of the old Tim Cahill

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Thats my point I dont think he will struggle through games and be a passenger

 

I fully understand letting him go if we need him off the wage bill, but all Im saying is that I think he would be a great player to have around Finch Farm and I think he would be a great player to be bringing off the bench.

 

As I said I think the main reason his form dipped last season was because he was carrying injuries and playing out of position all the time, let him get a good preseason under his belt and maybe even use him more sparingly and I reckon you will start to see a bit more of the old Tim Cahill

I would agree if it was going to be just this, not starting games, well maybe a cup game but if we get an offer lets face it we can't afford to say no can we.

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I agree Cahill and Jelavic looked a good pairing but Fellaini and Jelavic looked an even better pairing - that says to me Jelavic plays best with someone who can hold-up/win flick-ons. We need the 'new' teddy sheringham and then Timmy can have the payday he deserves and felli can slot back in. If we don't find that kind of player then I'm quite happy for Cahill to stay or Fellaini to stay in the support role (where he seemed to be playing for Belgium too!)

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are we in a position to be paying someone 50k a week to sit on the bench most of the time?

 

 

That's a big reason why it makes sense to sell him. He's not good enough any more to be a starter but he's on too big a wage to be sitting on the bench. And he's not likely to take a pay cut to be more in line with what he gives to the side.

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