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I would say that when Rodders came back for a couple of matches i thought "why the hell is he in the team"

Then i watched how he played and got a little of that enthusiasm back for him again. Whenever i see him play, which is not often admitedly, he is looking like he has something to prove.

 

I would not write him of yet guys! the guy does have talent and plenty of time to get fit and prove something of himself.

I mean take yourself back 5 years and ask yourself if Hibbo was going to be solid and reliable in 2012? there is a guy that has just got better and better as years go by.

 

Isnt ossie one of the most unsung players in the prem these days? you know hes the type of player that England just dont posses.

 

Rodders is a class act and will come good. Will he make a world beater? i dont know. But one thing i am sure of is that he will become a top player.

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he gets injured repeatedly cos he gets brought back too soon...just like coleman did..can't believe people write him off so much it's like they're desperate for him to fail

 

This. People have quickly forgotten how he was probably our best player in a very poor start to the season... that same form that earned him his first England caps and talk of him being a shoe in for the euro's. I really like Rodwell and want him to be a great player for us.

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Erm, I'm going to point to Steven Gerrard now.

 

I'm not saying Rodwell will be that good but Gerrard had the same problems when he was first starting out and he came through them.

Gerrard is one of the most over-rated player of the past 20 years, so a poor comparison imo, BUT i get what your point is, but likewise look at James Vaughan, and lets face it our injury record is hardly good is it.

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Don't want him to fail, but having the same injury multiple times at a young age points to a weakness, and yes he has been brought back to early which comes down to poor physio/bad management which i suppose raises questions about the backroom staff, an issue which most of us agree needs investigating further, as we have a ton of defensive coaches an no attacking for starters.

 

Or that the lad has been unlucky with injuries, nah fook it lets have a moan!

 

Gerrard is one of the most over-rated player of the past 20 years, so a poor comparison imo, BUT i get what your point is, but likewise look at James Vaughan, and lets face it our injury record is hardly good is it.

 

I wish we would have had a player in the last 20 years who had been even close to his level

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Or that the lad has been unlucky with injuries, nah fook it lets have a moan!

 

 

 

I wish we would have had a player in the last 20 years who had been even close to his level

it's hardly having a moan its called having a discussion and looking at the different reasons for it, tell me dunc, how much daily practice do you put into being an uber-troll?

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as much as I don't like the individual, Gerrard is a very good player, however you feel personally about him, you have to say he's been a world class player more often than not, how many times have the shite got an important result with his participation, but i'd still like to take a swing at him sometimes..

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It's a game of opinions at the end of the day, and i think he has been a very lucky player over the years

 

Of course, but my opinion could be black is a bright colour... so, is an opinion an opinion when so many disagree? Or is it just plain wrong?

 

(sun + beer = philosophical people!)

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Gerrard is one of the most over-rated player of the past 20 years, so a poor comparison imo, BUT i get what your point is, but likewise look at James Vaughan, and lets face it our injury record is hardly good is it.

 

 

It's not a poor comparison at all when the reason for the comparison was to show that a lot of repetitive injuries at a young age doesn't mean you're finished. Gerrard came through them and so could Rodwell.

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It's not a poor comparison at all when the reason for the comparison was to show that a lot of repetitive injuries at a young age doesn't mean you're finished. Gerrard came through them and so could Rodwell.

I honestly hope he does come through it, because if the big man does go he could play in that role and it would save us a fucking fortune, but i just have a feeling he is more Vaughan than Gerrard. hope im proved wrong.

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It's a game of opinions at the end of the day, and i think he has been a very lucky player over the years

 

i'll quote ya cos it's easy to miss posts sometimes :)

 

can you elaborate on the lucky part it interests me in what sense you think he's been lucky

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i'll quote ya cos it's easy to miss posts sometimes smile.png

 

can you elaborate on the lucky part it interests me in what sense you think he's been lucky

I think Pris is on about Gerrards career. Very lucky imo, a player that has too much influence over wether a team plays good or bad (majority being the latter), plus they win more with out him. Best football I've seen Liverpool play has alway been without him as well. Lives off derby goals and deluded fans, only thing that shocks me is why Chelsea were willing to pay £50 mil when they have Lampard.

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I think Pris is on about Gerrards career. Very lucky imo, a player that has too much influence over wether a team plays good or bad (majority being the latter), plus they win more with out him. Best football I've seen Liverpool play has alway been without him as well. Lives off derby goals and deluded fans, only thing that shocks me is why Chelsea were willing to pay £50 mil when they have Lampard.

 

Gerrard has been their match winner in FA cup finals and a European cup final and on many occasions has pretty much single handedly got them there... West Ham, Olyimpiacos and Milan stand-out amongst many, many more.

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for the record i don't rate him that high myself i always felt the hype made people think he is better than he is but to say he's been very lucky is quite harsh imo...he carried a poor team through games many times and several times to cups..they may win more without him i'm not so sure on that it also depends who they are playing in them games i reckon

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Gerrard has been their match winner in FA cup finals and a European cup final and on many occasions has pretty much single handedly got them there... West Ham, Olyimpiacos and Milan stand-out amongst many, many more.

A hit and hope against westham, and don't see why he gets praise for the Milan game, Carra, Hamann and Dudek were their best players which says alot when they still conceeded a handful of goals and should have been many more. The Burnley game where Traore scored the og Gerrard was the worst player on the pitch. Gerrards no better than Kevin Davies or Nolan. Hit and hopes arent a skill the amount of efforts it takes him and he has not a single other attribute. Cant tackle, cant pass, and cant shoot with his eyes open.

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can't pass? i'm giving up on this argument

even i would'nt have said that, more master of the long ball.

Master of the corner flag more like it. Heitinga is a much better passer of the ball, Gerrard is on par with Neville.

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i think you're just on the wind up now mate laugh.png

I've had this argument with a kopite and so we actually counted in a game how is passing was, and over 50% of his went to the opposition or out of play. Only a great passer on match of the day, otherwise just wasteful.

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you counted in a game?

 

well i'm convinced

 

A whole game is good for peteO... Zenden came on as a sub against us in 2010/11 season and should have been given a contract by us last season on that basis!!!

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Fourth Official suggested we might be in for Tom Ince of Blackpool yesterday. Thoughts?

moyes might be able to make him a better player,but ince may have to lose the attitude,the big i am.

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sorry but to go back onto the gerrard thing, he really CAN NOT PASS. its shocking, he gives the ball away far to much and his long ball punts do work sometimes. his best attribute is long shots. but everything else i dont rate him on at all.

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sorry but to go back onto the gerrard thing, he really CAN NOT PASS. its shocking, he gives the ball away far to much and his long ball punts do work sometimes. his best attribute is long shots. but everything else i dont rate him on at all.

Just incase anyone thinks I have 2 TT accounts, I don't. Madmatt just knows his stuff :).

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moyes might be able to make him a better player,but ince may have to lose the attitude,the big i am.

I like Tom Ince as a player. Seems a little cocky for a Championship player in my opinion though, maybe because he's the son of "top shit".

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Now Football

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Everton are set to sign Steven Naismith on a four year deal, announcement made early next week. #efc

 

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This

 

Edit. Quoting on the phone app doesn't bloody work!

 

Oh, and I like Tom ince.

 

And, gerrard is one of te best midfielders of the last 10 years. To dismiss him as average is either just because he plays for that lot or just plain ignorant.

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This

 

Edit. Quoting on the phone app doesn't bloody work!

 

Oh, and I like Tom ince.

 

And, gerrard is one of te best midfielders of the last 10 years. To dismiss him as average is either just because he plays for that lot or just plain ignorant.

Tell me best attributes because he cant pass, tackle, or shoot(closing yer eyes and having a blast doesnt count), no skill, little vision, and his heading is par for the course. He's been fortunate with referees and lucky strikes, it's beyond me how he's managed to pull the wool over peoples eyes for so long. No better than Cattermole, Nolan, or Kevin Davies with the latter 2 being better than him. Closest player to be the next Gerrard is Henderson, all rounder but not quite good at anything.

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Close your eyes and have a blast doesn't count? Not even if he does it ten times a year? If we had a player who could just close his eyes an have a blast, and score even half as many as he does, and do it for ten years and win plenty of medals along the way, we would be praising him as one of the best in the world.

Gerrard isn't an all rounder, he is an attacking midfielder, or second striker if you will. If Henderson ends up with half his ability he will be a very lucky guy.

Still, I can see why we get called bitter. Can't even accept what a good player he is, ignorant.

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Tell me best attributes because he cant pass, tackle, or shoot(closing yer eyes and having a blast doesnt count), no skill, little vision, and his heading is par for the course. He's been fortunate with referees and lucky strikes, it's beyond me how he's managed to pull the wool over peoples eyes for so long. No better than Cattermole, Nolan, or Kevin Davies with the latter 2 being better than him. Closest player to be the next Gerrard is Henderson, all rounder but not quite good at anything.

 

How old are you out of interest peteo?

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Close your eyes and have a blast doesn't count? Not even if he does it ten times a year? If we had a player who could just close his eyes an have a blast, and score even half as many as he does, and do it for ten years and win plenty of medals along the way, we would be praising him as one of the best in the world.

Gerrard isn't an all rounder, he is an attacking midfielder, or second striker if you will. If Henderson ends up with half his ability he will be a very lucky guy.

Still, I can see why we get called bitter. Can't even accept what a good player he is, ignorant.

He played defensive/centre for over half his career, so I dont think I'm the ignorant one. Pushed forward as he cant tackle, he only scores because he has so many chance, I bet his conversion rate is below average. His shooting is Tommy Graverson-esque, and I used to hte when he's shoot toward the Gladys as a kid. Nothing to todo with being bitter, best Liverpool central midfielders I've seen are Redknapp, Alonso, and Lucas. Gerrard doesn't have a patch on any of them.

How old are you out of interest peteo?

24.

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kevin davies better than gerrard...i know you're defo on the wind up pete laugh.png

Kept Bolton up for years, opposed to Gerrard holding Liverpool back. Got more ability, and LESS of a thug in comparison. Before people think this is a wind up, remember Naysmith. If Gerrard had played for Bolton he'd have not been a household name other than for kicking people, a less talented Joey Barton.

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Kept Bolton up for years, opposed to Gerrard holding Liverpool back. Got more ability, and LESS of a thug in comparison. Before people think this is a wind up, remember Naysmith. If Gerrard had played for Bolton he'd have not been a household name other than for kicking people, a less talented Joey Barton.

 

24 and still sniffing glue!!! WTF!!! Speechless, just speechless!

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24 and still sniffing glue!!! WTF!!! Speechless, just speechless!

You really struggle to comprehend anything beyond popular* opinion, and dismiss it as crazy. Open your eyes, open your mind, and form some opinions for yourself, use some logic. Scary shit, I know, but you get used to it and eventually become an individual.

 

*media bullshit

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You really struggle to comprehend anything beyond popular* opinion, and dismiss it as crazy. Open your eyes, open your mind, and form some opinions for yourself, use some logic. Scary shit, I know, but you get used to it and eventually become an individual.

 

*media bullshit

 

I watch football, lots of it, all what I say is based on my opinion. Now for my advice to you... football manager isn't real life! If a player is good on footie man it doesn't necessarily mean he's that good in real life!

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I watch football, lots of it, all what I say is based on my opinion. Now for my advice to you... football manager isn't real life! If a player is good on footie man it doesn't necessarily mean he's that good in real life!

What a great player this man is, even worse is that there is many more. A rugby player would be banned for life for less than what he's done.

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not sure what kevin davies has done that gerrard hasn't..apart from not win trophies..

If Gerrard was at Bolton would he have kept them up so long, because I highly doubt he of done. Last time they played good football was with Meireles last year around Jan, when Gerrard was injured. They win more w/o him says more than I ever could.

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What a great player this man is, even worse is that there is many more. A rugby player would be banned for life for less than what he's done.

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Awful tackle - even worse that it's on one of our boys. He's not the first and won't be the last top, top player to do a reckless challenge.

 

Shite player though and here's the evidence...

Liverpool

 

FA Cup (2): 2000–01, 2005–06

League Cup (3): 2000–01, 2002–03, 2011–12

FA Community Shield (2): 2001, 2006

UEFA Champions League (1): 2004–05

UEFA Cup (1): 2000–01

UEFA Super Cup (2): 2001, 2005

Individual

 

FWA Footballer of the Year: 2009

PFA Players' Player of the Year: 2006

PFA Young Player of the Year: 2001

PFA Fans' Player of the Year: 2001, 2009

PFA Team of the Year: 2001, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009

FA Premier League Player of the Month: March 2001, March 2003, December 2004, April 2006, March 2009

Liverpool Top Goalscorer: 2004–05, 2005–06, 2008–09

UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2005

UEFA Champions League Final Man of the Match: 2005

UEFA Team of the Year: 2005, 2006, 2007

FIFA/FIFPro World XI: 2007, 2008, 2009[105]

FA Cup Final Man of the Match: 2006

Goal of the Season: 2006

England Player of the Year: 2007

Member of the Order of the British Empire (MBE): 2007

Honorary Fellowship from Liverpool John Moores University: 2008

BBC Sports Personality of the Year Award 3rd Place: 2005

 

 

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I'm leaving it at that - I feel dirty enough glorifying a Kopite but if you're that bitter you can't see how good he has been then there's no hope!

Not just one, one of many.

Hope you had fun on wiki, not proving my point about you not thinking for yourself at all. Show me 90 minutes of him being excellent, there isnt, he gets credit for the champsleague final just like Hurst did for the WC when everyone knows anything about football will say it should be Alan Ball getting praised. Watch the game against Burnley, worst player on the pitch by a mile.

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What a great player this man is, even worse is that there is many more. A rugby player would be banned for life for less than what he's done.

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cos an everton player has never done a bad tackle have they...c has said enough really though i'm just stickin to my opinion you're on the wind up...you lost any credibility with the kevin davies and nolan comment

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Not just one, one of many.

Hope you had fun on wiki, not proving my point about you not thinking for yourself at all. Show me 90 minutes of him being excellent, there isnt, he gets credit for the champsleague final just like Hurst did for the WC when everyone knows anything about football will say it should be Alan Ball getting praised. Watch the game against Burnley, worst player on the pitch by a mile.

 

Oh shit I looked on wiki as I don't know all of Gerrard's achievements!!! I knew you were a joke but you sound a massive tit too - bored now!

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