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He cannot get us any further we would have lost the final anyway. I 100% believe the players were told if you go in front defend it. In moyes head he is already an Everton great let him go on that high and get Brendan Rodgers Paul lambert etc. we can moan about investment but certain managers just can't cut it above a certain level. In Europe moyes struggled to Cope. He gets the win against city and spurs but can't beat Wigan. We lost to a side today who are being slated by everyone for under performing and we have been beaten convincingly by them twice in a month. I am back to my opinion that we are mediocre until we are relegated and made to take a look at ourselves

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Depends what you want, if you want 7-10th place in the league, boring football, negativity and just be happy to take part in the premier league. Where was drenthe? How did gueye last so long, what the fuck was Cahill doing on the pitch???

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Yeah Moyes is so shit, lost 3 in the last 18 games. Go and have a lie down and make your judgements based on more than what you've seen in the past 2 and a half hours.

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Jelavic, felli, Neville, hold your heads up...

 

Moyes, grow an arse you sandbagging flair opposed negative ball bag. Last two games at wembley we looked happy just to be there!

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You can say what you like but I strongly feel that under Mr Moyes Everton Football Club will not win anything again, we've been through the whole deal before, i.e, 'League finishes since 2002, Champions League berth' etc etc that Moyes has produced since his arrival, and hats off to the man, he has done well, but you don't get any honors for finishing in a fourth or sixth place in the EPL. The Cup tourneys represent where the trophies are at, and we still haven't won anything in way of that with Moyes in charge, the man seems to implode in vital matches, today was no different, we had a great opportunity to do something today and I sit here trying to find the appropriate words on the back of a recent hurting setback, bottom line is, said it so many times, I have nothing against Moyes as an individual but feel we simply won't win anything so long as the Scot remains in charge, he just hasn't got the motivation or loses it at the most critical times, today was no different. We could have been in a fucking FA cup Final today and missed out when it was perfectly feasible we could have beat those today but it simply didn't come to pass, there's little we can do about it now after the event but for the last time, so long as Moyes is EFC manager, I can't see another trophy at Goodison Park. You can quote me on that if you like until/when the Scot leaves.

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The two rs goalscorers cost more than our entire team, if we actually had enough money a couple of our players today wouldn't have been any where near the wembly turf.

 

Pienaar is our best/most creative player and he was missing, Baines plays better when he's there.

 

We've just lost a game of football to the most unpopular team in the country......get over it.

 

 

As for Moyes, he's got us to 7th with a small squad and a cup semi-final.

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i do not want to hear the money excuse today...it's fuckin pathetic...we have a better team end of....distin gifted them a goal and coleman gifted them a chance...moyes gifted them the chances to attack..simple as

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Apathy is killing this club, ffs people who knew that we were bigger than the mancs, Chelsea, arsenal, spurs twenty five years ago are getting smaller by the day.

 

Kids from the 90's - enjoy this if you think it's good enough it's bollocks.

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Just heard what Distin's just said, I feel a bit bad now sad.png

Yeah i saw that, i think it's harsh, yes he made a catostrophic mistake but it's a team game and plenty of others did'nt cover themselves in glory, Carrolls goal came off the back of his head because Fellaini stood back 2 yards, and did'nt challenge for the header, Gibson kept giving the ball away, I don't think Distin should blame himself too much.

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Apathy is killing this club, ffs people who knew that we were bigger than the mancs, Chelsea, arsenal, spurs twenty five years ago are getting smaller by the day.

 

Kids from the 90's - enjoy this if you think it's good enough it's bollocks.

Im not saying i want him too go, but the harsh reality is i don't think we will ever win anything under Moyes.

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No other club would sack Moyes given what he's achieved.

 

It's a results business, it hurts today but he's still taken a club with a thin squad and money owed to the banks to an FA Cup semi-final and a top ten finish.

 

Who else would you have? Swansea might play nicer football than us, and Norwich might give it a good go, but they're still below us in the league and I don't see either of them playing at Wembley this weekend. Like I've mentioned before, Steve Coppell took Reading to a top half finish in their first season in the Premier League, look what's happened to his career since. What's to say the same won't happen to Rodgers and Lambert in the next five years?

 

I really don't understand why people think we should be winning trophies. Obviously we want to, but we're not a top club at the moment, its sad but its true.

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Exactly, it's a team game!!

 

Moyes will be gone come next season,

Redknapp > England

Moyes > Tottenham

______ > Everton

 

You heard it first. ( that's sarcasm by the way)

Your right though, i think if we would have got the final and won he would have stayed because he would have a cup under his belt and be looking forward, but i can't see it now, he must know the fans are going to be pissed and i do think if Spurs come calling now, he will go.

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I'd like to see Moyes manage England, I can say that, as what they do doesn't really interest me, but it would be interesting if nothing else.

 

Ok, a Scot in charge of the national side can't happen really, they would never allow it, but picture the scene, England vs Spain in the Euro Final and Moyes orchestrates the days events and see what he does, it would be something to see I merely feel, I know this could never happen though.

 

This year/season represented a good chance, at least today, for Moyes to maybe actually win something finally after a decade in charge, that opportunity has been and gone, 10 years have now passed and no actual silver to show for it, so just possibly Mr Moyes could make a departure if not this summer then sometime soon after, of course we don't know what will happen but there you are.

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What a bunch of morans Everton fans are. Maybe you would rather be playing in the championship because that is were Everton would be without Moyes.

Why is it some Evertonians seem to think Moyes is the only manager in WORLD football who has worked with a small squad and small budget?

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why the fuck shouldn't distin blame himself? what a pathetic fuckin back pass that was....for that pass alone he gave the game back to liverpool along with moyes gettin them to defend a lead as he always does...brad jones had fuck all to do...fuckin fumin with that team right now

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What a bunch of morans Everton fans are. Maybe you would rather be playing in the championship because that is were Everton would be without Moyes.

 

i'm not sayin moyes should go but do you wanna explain that second half? cos the second they came out they were pathetic

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It's not the Everton some older folks know - the world's changed. But, you're not in a total mess either.

 

I have absolutely no desire to offend, but it seems Everton are stuck as 'top end of the mid table teams'. It just takes a LOT of money, or a once every 5 years type season to get into that top 6 area.

 

It's just bloody hard, and that's the fact of the matter.

 

Moyes has got sod all to spend, and to get those '10% better players' you have to spend 50% more (at least).

 

It's easy to say "we'll never win anything with Moyes", but Arsenal haven't won anything for 5 years, they've been much better than Everton in recent years. Spurs have won one league cup and spent massively more than Everton. City have won one FA cup and spent fortune.

 

If Moyes faultless? no... what manager is?

Could someone do a better job?... possibly

Is it a risk worth taking?... I don't think so. The difficulties in getting to be top 6 year in year out are immense, whilst the ease at which top clubs can find themselves in deep (e.g. Villa) should be a real warning.

 

It will hurt like hell today. Just as it will hurt City losing the league to United, or Spurs being pipped by Arsenal.

 

But Everton remain a top top club, struggling with the money mess of football, and have a solid manager at the helm.

 

It simply isn't that bad.

 

 

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i'm not sayin moyes should go but do you wanna explain that second half? cos the second they came out they were pathetic

 

It happens to the best of teams too. You just get says when the 'winning mentality' isn't 100% there and your opponents have it (which is a pain in the arse, but the truth of the matter).

 

Every player makes mistakes.... it's just sods law that Carroll misses sitters, then gets a winner, whilst a stalwart for Everton makes a mistake and it costs you.

 

Surely to God, that Everton team WANTED to win something, wanted to get to Wembley.... it just can't be from lack of effort, just inexperience

 

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Exactly, it's a team game!!

 

Moyes will be gone come next season,

Redknapp > England

Moyes > Tottenham

______ > Everton

 

You heard it first. ( that's sarcasm by the way)

 

Sarcasm? it's damn realistic.

 

Next Everton manager? Roberto Martinez.

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It's not the Everton some older folks know - the world's changed. But, you're not in a total mess either.

 

I have absolutely no desire to offend, but it seems Everton are stuck as 'top end of the mid table teams'. It just takes a LOT of money, or a once every 5 years type season to get into that top 6 area.

 

It's just bloody hard, and that's the fact of the matter.

 

Moyes has got sod all to spend, and to get those '10% better players' you have to spend 50% more (at least).

 

It's easy to say "we'll never win anything with Moyes", but Arsenal haven't won anything for 5 years, they've been much better than Everton in recent years. Spurs have won one league cup and spent massively more than Everton. City have won one FA cup and spent fortune.

 

If Moyes faultless? no... what manager is?

Could someone do a better job?... possibly

Is it a risk worth taking?... I don't think so. The difficulties in getting to be top 6 year in year out are immense, whilst the ease at which top clubs can find themselves in deep (e.g. Villa) should be a real warning.

 

It will hurt like hell today. Just as it will hurt City losing the league to United, or Spurs being pipped by Arsenal.

 

But Everton remain a top top club, struggling with the money mess of football, and have a solid manager at the helm.

 

It simply isn't that bad.

 

Completely agree if I'm honest.

 

Blue, the sarcasm was meant for the "heard it here first" bit....knowing that's what people have been saying for a while.

 

...and Martinez? Not a chance in hell.

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Why is it some Evertonians seem to think Moyes is the only manager in WORLD football who has worked with a small squad and small budget?

 

Because before moyes came to Everton they were fighting relegation every season, I know what I prefer.

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Because before moyes came to Everton they were fighting relegation every season, I know what I prefer.

Im not saying he should go, but to say no one else can do the job is just naive.

 

For now he is probably the right option, but i don't see us winning anything with him, and he does seem to be a bit of a bottler at times

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Who can the Blues attract that would be a better option than Moyes? Given the current state of the club I just don't see anybody.....now some deep pocketed investors on the other hand.....that could change things for the better, and by better I mean a realistic chance to play in Europe and contend for the league.

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With the transfer budget we have I fear for the future if Moyes goes.

Now is a chance though for Moyes to show he has got some bottle and drop the 'old pals act' with Kenwright and demand some transfer funds of some sort, or will he just play along like normal like a good little boy?

 

One thing i did notice, Kenwrights face at the end of that game today was a picture, it's going to be a big summer for us.

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oh surprise surprise. youre back with youre bashing. Going to nick-name you Knee-Jerk - emphasis one the Jerk part.

 

didnt take long did it haha? some morons are so daft they dont realise that without moyes we would have been relegated a long time ago.

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I may get some abuse for this, but, does anyone believe it's possible that the 11 on the pitch JUST bottled it? That perhaps it wasn't a game plan to recede, but more like we couldn't deal with being in front and we just invited pressure on ourselves? He sent out the same personnel, some of which didn't have a great first half to begin with. I just can't see a halftime talk saying: "We can certainly block them off now, get a goal when you can."

 

If that honestly was his game plan, that's more than embarrassing, but I feel like 1-0 is an incidental scoreline, especially when established in a first half. That's not a lead to protect, it's one to build on. With mature wingers and a midfield that wants to account for itself Jelavic will ascend to legendary status and we can really show our playing identity (which I've been seeing glimpses of the past few matches). This won't happen with timid first half performances from people like we saw today. We're better than that.

 

 

...and by mature wingers, I mean players used to the position. I rate Gueye, and certainly Osman, but we all know they aren't ideal for playing there.

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You people are being ridiculous.

He put out the right team but the players just did not show up that is all.

What other team would you guys play? There was obviously a problem with Drenthe so he was out of the question anyways.

Disgraceful how you guys turn on the manager that has made this team expected to beat the scum and expected to win the cup.

 

You guys are too mercurial and you can't always blame it on the manager

We will come back stronger than ever... COYB

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I'm not even going to get myself worked up over this because I'm already as pissed off as you can imagine after that second half display. If you think that Moyes can take us no further than you are a fucking moron and like others have said above without him we would be in the Championship/League One by now. It's happened to the likes of Leeds and Portsmouth so it could well of happened to us.

 

Quite bashing Moyes just because of today, people sing his praises when we win and then want him sacked as soon as we lose. It seems like I'm in the minority here and that our fans have turned into Chelsea fans as that's exactly what they do, bash a manager as soon as he does something wrong.

 

Get behind the team because kicking off does no good whatsoever.

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A great manager gives you that little bit extra – a bit of tactical nous, a bit of motivation, the ability to get a team to perform to their best on the very biggest occasion – no matter what the circumstances. Moyes is not a great manager and never will be. He has lots of good qualities which have served us very well, but as a top end manager – one who can make a difference – he fails. That’s not going to change. Today was entirely predictable. It’s the latest in a long line of failures (his utterly wretched record against Liverpool being just one). If you’re happy with the fare he’s served up over the last few seasons – the torpid, witless displays against supposedly inferior opposition, the run of plucky victories against superior opposition, then fair enough, but I want a bit more from the club. We’re not going to get that under Moyes. Ever. Decent man though he is, and a great servant to the club, he’s not the go-to guy we need. Will undoubtedly be saying the same thing in 2 years’ time, just as I was saying it two years ago. It just goes on and on and on.

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The overiding issue is it was the RS.. We NEVER beat them, we always roll over. It's been that way since 1892. Why are we suprised?. The last player who didn't read the script was AJ so we sold him.. We scored from a mistake then sat on it Howard was wasting time 10 mins before half time. Bringing Coleman on is not an indication the we're going to have a go. The whole ethos is different..In the league when they where three up they brought on two strikers, we'd take 'em off for a nice rest, pot of tea and a digestive..

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Is this ground hog day or am I just having a bad dream, fed up of saying we would be the same as Brum, West Ham, Toon a few years ago without Moyes. Everton NEEDS Moyes at the this time. If we were without debt and in a new stadium generating a finance plan to easily buy the ground in a 15-20 year time span then no. It is not as easy as changing the manager, every fibre of the club needs the complete overhaul. Under9's all the way to coaching staff and scouts. Sod the boring route one stuff aka Stoke, let us play some swash buckling attacking football now we are safe. NOW IS THE TIME for Moyes to try a different method, hold them by the nose and kick them in the bollocks, this loosely translates as pin the feckers in their own halve and go for the juggler. Good teams play attacking football don't they? Let the handbrake of Moyes!!!!

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Always annoys me when people invariably come up with the 'without Moyes we would have been relegated' theory.

 

What do you base that on, have we seen it, I mean, without Moyes we would have been relegated, have we been a witness to such a thing, it's all merely speculation and wild assumptions, if we had brought in someone else other than moyes in 2002, who knows where it could have taken us, it's inappropriate to merely insist on a relegation because of it, the bottom line is, we simply wouldn't know.

 

Getting back to today, I was thinking an hour or two earlier about the defeat and I still feel agiated or upset even about today but maybe not as strong as at time of fixture. All said it was a missed opportunity today, had the lead, should have built on that and Moyes reverts to type once more and goes on the defensive and hopes that a 1-0 lead will be enough for a victory, needless to say it wasn't. This is becoming one time too many these days and people always go on about the League finishes, I'm damn well aware of all that and I thank him for it, but not every year was one way traffic with regards to a league success. Also, He has had opportunities to do something in the Cup tourneys, but if we can look beyond the fucking embarrassments of Oldham, Reading, Shrewsbury, Brentford etc etc, once we do get to a certain stage the players and manager seem to lose it or falter and we end up with nothing, today was no different.

 

Moyes is too often, too dour, too frustrating, too defensive and lacks any ruthless agression, we can't always use the sometimes decent league finishes as a favorable nod to Moyes, for the last time, so long as Moyes is Everton club manager there will not be another trophy at Goodison Park, the man simply is unable to navigate the last remaining hurdles on the routes to glory and his defensiveness at times will get us nowhere, or makes me damn livid sometimes in any event.

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A great manager gives you that little bit extra – a bit of tactical nous, a bit of motivation, the ability to get a team to perform to their best on the very biggest occasion – no matter what the circumstances. Moyes is not a great manager and never will be. He has lots of good qualities which have served us very well, but as a top end manager – one who can make a difference – he fails. That’s not going to change. Today was entirely predictable. It’s the latest in a long line of failures (his utterly wretched record against Liverpool being just one). If you’re happy with the fare he’s served up over the last few seasons – the torpid, witless displays against supposedly inferior opposition, the run of plucky victories against superior opposition, then fair enough, but I want a bit more from the club. We’re not going to get that under Moyes. Ever. Decent man though he is, and a great servant to the club, he’s not the go-to guy we need. Will undoubtedly be saying the same thing in 2 years’ time, just as I was saying it two years ago. It just goes on and on and on.

 

I do pretty much agree with you here.

 

I dont want to get stuck into another Moyes Out thread BUT no-one can tell me that we arent just going round in one big circle every season? Moyes is a good manager, but he doesnt have that winning mentality when it comes to the big games and he doesnt instill that in his players. I have no doubt that we will keep doing this year after year while he is at the club. Is that a bad thing in some respects? Not entirely. Will we be consistently safe each year? Probably. Will we ever win anything? No.

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I can't bother with arguing with people claiming what if we brought someone that did better than Moyes etc.

There is no way anyone could do better than Moyes has done, he has brought us a fine crop of players and we have finished in the top half for most of the time he has been here. Every other manager does it one season then it falls apart or require large amounts of money to gain stability. Name one manager that has taken their team to the top half of the table and the top part of it consistently on the budget Moyes has.

 

People like this always come after losses but we have performed in big games, I believe Chelsee, Tottenham and Man city were big games earlier this year and Moyes has won many other games like this. You sometimes can't change the players mentality on the field.

Heitinga was there to win it and you could tell, so was Jelavic. However, others were not as confident and it showed in their play such as Gueye and Cahill. They could not stand up to play because they feared losing and how big it would be. Sometimes the manager can only do so much.

 

In Moyes I trust, he will bring Everton forward even further if he does not leave. Just wait, he has done it before and he will do it again.

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When has Moyes done it before?. We are a mid table safety team with the odd excursion into the Europa league, losing the defining matches.. Yes we finished fourth, what? seven years ago? The reason for that was our performances before Xmas, We sold Tommy G and went backwards..We were the kings of the 1-0 win. It doesn't matter how much cash you have if your default tactic is defend. Our ambition as a club is to avoid relegation.. Don't want to hear how we needed him after Walter Smith, christ, coco the clown would have been an improvement.. But, ten years is long enough, especially as we can't even manage a Carling Cup final, never mind a win. Whats to happen when Heitinga doesn't return after the Euros or Chelsea bid 20m for Jelavic.

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When has Moyes done it before?. We are a mid table safety team with the odd excursion into the Europa league, losing the defining matches.. Yes we finished fourth, what? seven years ago? The reason for that was our performances before Xmas, We sold Tommy G and went backwards..We were the kings of the 1-0 win. It doesn't matter how much cash you have if your default tactic is defend. Our ambition as a club is to avoid relegation.. Don't want to hear how we needed him after Walter Smith, christ, coco the clown would have been an improvement.. But, ten years is long enough, especially as we can't even manage a Carling Cup final, never mind a win. Whats to happen when Heitinga doesn't return after the Euros or Chelsea bid 20m for Jelavic.

 

I would call finishing top 7 more times then not better then "mid table" and with our budget we should be getting 12th, he has had a net spending of 4 million, crikey what do expect from the guy!!! WE WERE at the bottom of the table fighting relegation before him and now we don't need to worry about that and all we worry is if we will get into the Europe.

 

Many other teams that spend more then us don't even get the chance to get into these "defining" matches so at least he takes us there.

Yes I know i said I wouldn't be arguing but I can't help myself... some people are out of their minds.

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I would call finishing top 7 more times then not better then "mid table" and with our budget we should be getting 12th, he has had a net spending of 4 million, crikey what do expect from the guy!!! WE WERE at the bottom of the table fighting relegation before him and now we don't need to worry about that and all we worry is if we will get into the Europe.

 

Many other teams that spend more then us don't even get the chance to get into these "defining" matches so at least he takes us there.

Yes I know i said I wouldn't be arguing but I can't help myself... some people are out of their minds.

I'm not arguing with that, We always seem to be on the final straight and hit a bloody pot-hole!

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You're all going to hate this but...

 

and this is just as true of City and Spurs as it is of Everton...

 

We as fans don't have the winning mentality.

 

 

 

It's a chicken and egg scenario, but once you've gone a while without winning things, and your rivals have... there's just something inside us all that says "we know what's coming next... those jammy buggers are going to do us, AGAIN".

 

And more often than not, they do.

 

Call it arrogance on their part, but it gets them a long way. They always seem to believe that they'll snatch at least a draw and if they get that far, might as well go on and win it, whilst we get a lead and start expecting 'their comeback'.

 

 

There's more to it than just the players on the pitch... I can have DEFINITELY sensed 'tension' at City when we're under the kosh. It's fear in the crowd, and it gets to the players too.

 

Liverpool have won stuff, they've a habit of scraping cup wins.... like it or not, it's there in history to see (not that ALL their wins have been scrapes, but a fair few have).

 

Success breeds success so they say, and therefore, lack of success breeds lack of success and the longer it goes on, the harder it gets to overcome it.

 

Some 20 years after the formation of the Premier League, there are still very few teams who've won anything, and the ones who've won more than one trophy are incredibly rare (suggesting now and then, a team goes all the way as a one off).

 

Hands on hearts, no bullshit, if you're 2-0 up against Liverpool and they pull it back to 2-1... what do you REALLY think is going to happen?

 

Perhaps I'm wrong on this, but I think if you're honest with yourselves, you're just like us lot... 'those jammy buggers are gonna do us again'.

 

 

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I really think that this year we have missed the boat a little. It is probably the weakest Premier League season I have ever witnessed with several teams under performing, and even still not performing well, and because we were so poor for so long, we missed the chance of a potential top 4 challenge.

 

If you look at the teams that would normally challenge for those positions, Liverpool have been way below par, Arsenal & Chelsea are a shadow of the teams they were, Man City have been better this year but still arent a team, and Utd have scrambled their way through so far and Spurs are again faultering at the finish. Newcastle have done well this season because they have been consistent and won the games you would expect them to, and given the better teams a run for their money and taken some points off them.

 

I suppose it shows in how well the promoted teams have done and it would be a first for all of them to stay up if QPR can avoid it. I cant see it being the same next season unfortunately.

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Hands on hearts, no bullshit, if you're 2-0 up against Liverpool and they pull it back to 2-1... what do you REALLY think is going to happen?

 

Perhaps I'm wrong on this, but I think if you're honest with yourselves, you're just like us lot... 'those jammy buggers are gonna do us again'.

 

But thats only because we know exactly what we are going to do, and to be honest we would be thinking it at 2-0 never mind 2-1! ha

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When has Moyes done it before?. We are a mid table safety team with the odd excursion into the Europa league, losing the defining matches.. Yes we finished fourth, what? seven years ago? The reason for that was our performances before Xmas, We sold Tommy G and went backwards..We were the kings of the 1-0 win. It doesn't matter how much cash you have if your default tactic is defend. Our ambition as a club is to avoid relegation.. Don't want to hear how we needed him after Walter Smith, christ, coco the clown would have been an improvement.. But, ten years is long enough, especially as we can't even manage a Carling Cup final, never mind a win. Whats to happen when Heitinga doesn't return after the Euros or Chelsea bid 20m for Jelavic.

 

I've every sympathy for that view, but as an outsider, I think the blame solely lies with the board, and the failure to move Everton forward commercially, in line with rivals.

 

It would be unfair to expect Everton to compete with United or Liverpool (no offence) but potentially it MIGHT have kept up with Arsenal and Spurs. City and Chelsea are exceptions, so unfair to expect Everton to win the lottery.

 

There are numerous obstables that have blocked Everton's progress and by far the majority of them have had nothing to do with football per se. They've all been off the field activities.

 

I've said it a million and one times, and will say it again... Everton... a top 5-7 supported club, fantastic crowds, Premier League stalwarts, lots of trophies, European experience... LOTS going for it. Since you've hardly spent much, it only begs the question... HOW the hell the club be hard up?

 

If you'd been Leeds, or City, or Newcastle - you could point to silly spending... but not so Everton.

 

Ergo, once can only really assume that a genuine 'fan' and thespian does NOT a 'canny businessman' make. Therein lies the real problem. It's never Moyes.

The only fair criticism of Moyes (in my eyes) is that he's not asked the very same questions.... where's the money going?

 

I'm not anti BK - I just think he's like many chairmen before him... he's a lover of the club, not the best guardian of its future nor the man to move it forward in line with other clubs.

Standing still at Everton has meant you've fallen behind (still keeps you ahead of most, but it's not where you should be!)

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I really think that this year we have missed the boat a little. It is probably the weakest Premier League season I have ever witnessed with several teams under performing, and even still not performing well, and because we were so poor for so long, we missed the chance of a potential top 4 challenge.

 

If you look at the teams that would normally challenge for those positions, Liverpool have been way below par, Arsenal & Chelsea are a shadow of the teams they were, Man City have been better this year but still arent a team, and Utd have scrambled their way through so far and Spurs are again faultering at the finish. Newcastle have done well this season because they have been consistent and won the games you would expect them to, and given the better teams a run for their money and taken some points off them.

 

I suppose it shows in how well the promoted teams have done and it would be a first for all of them to stay up if QPR can avoid it. I cant see it being the same next season unfortunately.

 

I keep thinking precisely the same... but then United are going to set a Prem League RECORD number of points.

You can't argue with the evidence there... they've looked poor, they've had a poor European campaign etc, but you can't amass a record number of points and not be top notch!

 

I don't think teams are worse, I think it's more competitive than ever.... different perspectives I suppose... it's just that record number of points flies in the face of your (and my) belief that teams haven't been too hot.

 

 

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Now is a chance though for Moyes to show he has got some bottle and drop the 'old pals act' with Kenwright and demand some transfer funds of some sort, or will he just play along like normal like a good little boy?

 

One thing i did notice, Kenwrights face at the end of that game today was a picture, it's going to be a big summer for us.

 

ask him to get out the magic tenner? ask him to sell us to the first tom, dick or harry that comes along? i know why doesn't he sell us to venky's too..

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I suppose it shows in how well the promoted teams have done and it would be a first for all of them to stay up if QPR can avoid it. I cant see it being the same next season unfortunately.

 

nitpicking i know but it will be the second time it happened...still agree with everything else though...the cup was there to be won the league was there to be attacked

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It happens to the best of teams too. You just get says when the 'winning mentality' isn't 100% there and your opponents have it (which is a pain in the arse, but the truth of the matter).

 

Every player makes mistakes.... it's just sods law that Carroll misses sitters, then gets a winner, whilst a stalwart for Everton makes a mistake and it costs you.

 

Surely to God, that Everton team WANTED to win something, wanted to get to Wembley.... it just can't be from lack of effort, just inexperience

 

it's not lack of experience either...it's lack of man parts...not one of them had the bollocks to get in the face of the liverpool players after the second half...i'm not sure how much i blame coleman at least he tried to make a fuckin tackle unlike the other cinderella's

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ask him to get out the magic tenner? ask him to sell us to the first tom, dick or harry that comes along? i know why doesn't he sell us to venky's too..

I just know that we expect Moyes to move forward, but Kenwright just sits there saying/doing nowt, and then crawls out after a few victories. It's time for Bill to walk away if he can't support the manager. Moyes also needs to change his outlook on things, we cannot go through another season of no plan B, negative dross, playing favourites, that has been served up the last few seasons. It all depends on what you want from the club, top 7 - mid table each year? we don't even challenge for europe anymore, i think we have the basis to do better though. Moyes might be the right man at the moment, but he is a loser imo, always the bridesmaid never the bride, we won't ever win anything under him, he had his best chance ever yesterday and surprise, he failed. 4 wins in 23 attempts against the shite is a shocking record imo.

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Should we look at it this way? Its a major achievement to reach the semi's and we were beaten buy a team whose strike force combined transfer fees are almost more than our entire squad is worth! Surely that's not bad! We r also currently seventh in the league which again is not bad considering how little we have spent! Yes I would have loved us to best the RS, and yes I think this could have been our best opportunity to win the cup, and yes I think Moyes got it tactically wrong yesterday. We have to look at teams like Leeds, west ham, forest, all teams with great history but floundering. At least we r safe year in year out in the prem which had got to be a priority! I think we need get a bit of perspective going on. I also don't buy into this 'without Moyes we would have been relegated' bull. Thats impossible to tell! Moyes has been good for us, maybe we will never win anything under him, but we will be safe, is getting rid of him a gamble we can afford to take? Without investment in the team then no, as much as he frustrates me with his tactics, you have to admire the fact that we are consistently safe(average). Without cash we can never tell how good or bad Moyes is. Give him liverpools Budget and then if we are mediocre then we can judge him.

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As much as i'd like to blame everything on the manager, the fault lies more with the current team than with the tactics. Cahill, Distin, Neville, Coleman and even Howard are why we lost yesterday. Too old, too slow, too talentless to be playing along side Heitinga, Baines, Osman, Fellaini and Jela. All of which, barring ossie will leave eventually because they see no change and then what?

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Well I've seen all I need to see and I'm gonna dig up some real old hafnia irritating, negative shite.

 

As a brand "everton" we have gone from being marks and spencer's to aldi and far too many are happy to accept survival under a shite play acting lying tit of a chairman. You get what you deserve, far too many hearts were broken yesterday. The manager we have is what kenwright wants and needs - not us fans!

 

Everton was the school of science, even when we were shite we were the dogs of war... What has happened??? Football fans need to be economists to justify the shite we are served?

 

Fucked off completely, sick and tired of biting my tongue. I know people who work in the club, in the media (who work with the club closely) and it points to this... We have a manager who still thinks he's managing PNE, relies on stats (far too much) - will never get a team relegated but will win nothing. He is a tremendous worker - this I know, he's a great man, but he can't stay in charge. If we have to go through bad times in order to smoke out that corrupt lying incompent bunch that is the board then so be it. Can't keep going this way.

 

Derby, wolves, notts forest, Sheffield wed, all big clubs until fans accepted second best.

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Moyes' small time mentality was on display once again yesterday but so was the players self-same small time mentality. It was all too predictable against that lot; go one up, retreat and defend, roll over and die.

 

I don't think we played at all well, even in the first half we weren't a threat to them at all but we at least played a bit of football and got forward until we scored. But we were always just looking to "nick" a goal, not take the game to them. We nicked the goal and then for the rest of the game we went into our shell and let them get a foothold. The horrible thing is that they weren't even good themselves, but we gifted them an equaliser which boosted their confidence and they had so many good chances to completely embarrass us on the scoreboard.

 

Maybe Moyes does need to go, he has a mental block when it comes to Liverpool and it clearly carries over onto his players. He was saying before the game that Liverpool were the favourites but they weren't. He should have been saying, at worst, that the game could go either way, that we were on an even footing. What message does it send his players to say a team that is worse than his are favourites? Even after all of this time the man still does not understand what this football club is about, what games against Liverpool mean to us fans.

 

Like I said, MAYBE, he needs to go, but what I KNOW is that I'm sick to fucking death of feeling this way after we play them while Moyes has been in charge.

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As a brand "everton" we have gone from being marks and spencer's to aldi and far too many are happy to accept survival under a shite play acting lying tit of a chairman.

 

This is our biggest problem at the moment, not Moyes. Like I said, we have no idea what Moyes could do with money, the same way we have no idea what would happen of Moyes left, the same way we don't know where would would be if we had never employed Moyes! The first thing as a club we need is BK out and investment in, otherwise we will just be I the same situation as we r now. Yes we could possibly have win the cup under a different manager but that is not Gunna happen year in year out! We can't compete without cash!!! Even SAF wouldnt compete with the amounts of cash we don't have.

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Moyes' small time mentality was on display once again yesterday but so was the players self-same small time mentality. It was all too predictable against that lot; go one up, retreat and defend, roll over and die.

 

I don't think we played at all well, even in the first half we weren't a threat to them at all but we at least played a bit of football and got forward until we scored. But we were always just looking to "nick" a goal, not take the game to them. We nicked the goal and then for the rest of the game we went into our shell and let them get a foothold. The horrible thing is that they weren't even good themselves, but we gifted them an equaliser which boosted their confidence and they had so many good chances to completely embarrass us on the scoreboard.

 

Maybe Moyes does need to go, he has a mental block when it comes to Liverpool and it clearly carries over onto his players. He was saying before the game that Liverpool were the favourites but they weren't. He should have been saying, at worst, that the game could go either way, that we were on an even footing. What message does it send his players to say a team that is worse than his are favourites? Even after all of this time the man still does not understand what this football club is about, what games against Liverpool mean to us fans.

 

Like I said, MAYBE, he needs to go, but what I KNOW is that I'm sick to fucking death of feeling this way after we play them while Moyes has been in charge.

 

Realistically on paper is our squad as good as the RS. If we sold all our players and they sold theirs, who would have the most cash in thier pocket? Who would sell their players first! On papered should be no where near them, but we r! Like I said, let Moyes spend a combined £60 mill on two strickers and then see if we can or cannot compete against them, I bet we could cause Moyes is a far better coach than that sour faced prick in charge at anfield!!

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