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8 minutes ago, MikeO said:

And we thought we were bad. Wigan 7-0 Hull....and it's only half time!

I just had that sent to me, and that’s a relegation battle between them, Wigan are now out the relegation zone on goal difference against Hull, even had 12 points deducted for going into administration, great result if it keeps them up. 

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I love this comment on the BBC website: "If Southampton are to compete for a Champions League place then they really need to be beating these mid table sides."

I wonder how long it'll be until a big club snaps Januzaj up?

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3 minutes ago, Palfy said:

I just had that sent to me, and that’s a relegation battle between them, Wigan are now out the relegation zone on goal difference against Hull, even had 12 points deducted for going into administration, great result if it keeps them up. 

The 12 points haven’t been deducted from their total yet have they?

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5 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

The 12 points haven’t been deducted from their total yet have they?

No but the point is that a win tonight (looking quite likely) will take them out of the bottom three on GD even if you include the deduction, and given their recent form a good shout that they can stay up.

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2 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

The 12 points haven’t been deducted from their total yet have they?

I’m not sure but I think they will, and when they do they will stay above Hull on goal difference, also read that there is a real chance that they fold completely, which would be another sad day for English football.  

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15 minutes ago, MikeO said:

No but the point is that a win tonight (looking quite likely) will take them out of the bottom three on GD even if you include the deduction, and given their recent form a good shout that they can stay up.

 

13 minutes ago, Palfy said:

I’m not sure but I think they will, and when they do they will stay above Hull on goal difference, also read that there is a real chance that they fold completely, which would be another sad day for English football.  

Good, what’s happened there is weird to say the least. Definitely something fishy with those owners taking over and the) pretty much putting them straight into administration. 

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24 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

 

Good, what’s happened there is weird to say the least. Definitely something fishy with those owners taking over and the) pretty much putting them straight into administration. 

I wouldn’t argue with that, shit for the thousands of supporters though there the ones I feel for. 

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11 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

Thoughts on arteta after today @Bailey ;)

Haha I knew this would be coming :)

To be fair to Arsenal they gave it a good go and dominated the game, they just didn't have any creativity. They got into some really good positions wide but then did absolutely nothing with it. They reminded me of Utd pre-Hernandes.

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6 minutes ago, Steve_E said:

Dominated the game is a bit much, no? Having a lot of the ball, not even coming close to scoring a goal for 90 minutes, while the other team does, isn't dominating the game.

I thought Grealish was perhaps a bit overhyped by the pundits earlier in the season, but he really is class. 

 

They did on the bits I saw. Villa had a couple of counters, from which one they should have scored, and Arsenal hit the post. Maybe dominating possession would have been the more accurate description. Like I said, they got into some decent positions on the pitch but did nothing with it.

As for Grealish, I agree, he is a very good player. I watched Villa at the end of last year and he stood out but you never know how well he will take to the league but he has done really well. He has toughened up and got his head in gear in a way that I am sure many of us would have hoped Barclay would have.

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1 hour ago, Bailey said:

Haha I knew this would be coming :)

To be fair to Arsenal they gave it a good go and dominated the game, they just didn't have any creativity. They got into some really good positions wide but then did absolutely nothing with it. They reminded me of Utd pre-Hernandes.

dominated the game?  they didn't have a single shot on target the whole match!

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12 minutes ago, Matt said:

Honestly, Grealish just looks like a media playboy. I really don’t get it with him at all. 

is he a knob publicily though?  i thought he was rather grounded.  footballing wise he reminds me so much of what barkley was on a good day.  great free kicks, nice cutting in and shots from outside the box, and good with the ball at his feet, able to beat multiple men.  nice player.  i like him. 

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13 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

is he a knob publicily though?  i thought he was rather grounded.  footballing wise he reminds me so much of what barkley was on a good day.  great free kicks, nice cutting in and shots from outside the box, and good with the ball at his feet, able to beat multiple men.  nice player.  i like him. 

No idea. Not really bothered about him looking like a playboy, just never seen anything about him to suggest he’s anything but ok. I’d even class him with Bolasie in calling him a MOTD player, though I’ll admit I’ve not seen much. 

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30 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

yes in footballing terms, but off the pitch he's like einstein compared to ross.  ross was created to play football and not do much else sadly, he could barely make it through an interview.

He got pissed at a party during lockdown and then drove and crashed his car, and then tried to escape. Another time he was filmed inhaling laughing gas. Oh and another time he was pictured passed out in the street drunk as a skunk. So off the pitch he’s actually a bit of a cunt.

On the pitch he’s a flashy MOTD player for the most part. A luxury player and not someone I’d particularly want here.

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57 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

yes in footballing terms, but off the pitch he's like einstein compared to ross.  ross was created to play football and not do much else sadly, he could barely make it through an interview.

 

26 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

He got pissed at a party during lockdown and then drove and crashed his car, and then tried to escape. Another time he was filmed inhaling laughing gas. Oh and another time he was pictured passed out in the street drunk as a skunk. So off the pitch he’s actually a bit of a cunt.

On the pitch he’s a flashy MOTD player for the most part. A luxury player and not someone I’d particularly want here.

I’ll only add that I couldn’t really care less what he’s like off the pitch for the most part, it’s on it I’m interested in. unless he’s doing shit like Romey is describing, in which case he can do one. 

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38 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

He got pissed at a party during lockdown and then drove and crashed his car, and then tried to escape. Another time he was filmed inhaling laughing gas. Oh and another time he was pictured passed out in the street drunk as a skunk. So off the pitch he’s actually a bit of a cunt.

On the pitch he’s a flashy MOTD player for the most part. A luxury player and not someone I’d particularly want here.

thanks romey didn't know that, sounds like Matt nailed it with the Barkley comparison then

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7 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

thanks romey didn't know that, sounds like Matt nailed it with the Barkley comparison then

Ross may be dim, but he’s not that much of a dickhead! I meant more he’s got the talent but showboats too much, tries to be too clever, eyes more on the fame than the game. Again, rough interpretation based on what little I’ve seen 

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1 hour ago, Matt said:

No idea. Not really bothered about him looking like a playboy, just never seen anything about him to suggest he’s anything but ok. I’d even class him with Bolasie in calling him a MOTD player, though I’ll admit I’ve not seen much. 

I've been impressed everytime I've seen him. The stats suggest he's one of the better players in the league as well:

  • 12th in the league in successful dribbles,
  • 1st in total distance he's moved the ball while controlling it with his feet towards the opponent's goal,
  • 8th in expected assists, 
  • 2nd in key passes, 
  • 3rd in passes into the penalty area, 
  • 13th in amount of progressive passes,
  • 2nd in shot creating actions (passes, dribbles, drawing fouls) ...

Didn't know about the possible character issues though. Either way I don't think we'd be able to afford him, just wanted to say I think he's good. Clear level above the rest of the players on the pitch yesterday.  

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14 minutes ago, Matt said:

Ross may be dim, but he’s not that much of a dickhead! I meant more he’s got the talent but showboats too much, tries to be too clever, eyes more on the fame than the game. Again, rough interpretation based on what little I’ve seen 

Did you forget the bar fight Barkley got into and the gang he was up against?  Lad got laid out

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2 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

Did you forget the bar fight Barkley got into and the gang he was up against?  Lad got laid out

No, but a lad getting into a bar fight (not to mention more complex aspects of the area etc) isn’t comparable with drinking and driving during a quarantine period. 

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Lads let's be honest.... half these young players are dick heads.  Maddison mates sparking people at bus stops because they don't respect James and his trainers that cost more than they earn in a month.  

John Terry spent half his career getting shit cleaned up after him by fixers.  Lampard and Gerrard had their misdeameanours....

A move away from his clingons would do him good. It certainly seems to have done Ross good from a maturity perspective.

 

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23 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

dominated the game?  they didn't have a single shot on target the whole match!

I amended my statement in the post immediately above to say possession, however you can clearly see from my post that I said they lacked creativity in the final third. They did still have a higher xG than Villa despite that.

20 hours ago, Palfy said:

Allardyce got slaughtered for that 😂

Allardyce got slaughtered for having no intent to attack other than a set piece.

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1 minute ago, Bailey said:

Shall we keep doing this after every game 😂

Sure, if it weren’t for the ref I think it could have been a different result.  I’m still not impressed with him.  Let’s see how he does given a full campaign.  Lampard worked wonders with a squad full of youngsters.  Let’s see if arteta can get CL football with his squad next year.

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3 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

Sure, if it weren’t for the ref I think it could have been a different result.  I’m still not impressed with him.  Let’s see how he does given a full campaign.  Lampard worked wonders with a squad full of youngsters.  Let’s see if arteta can get CL football with his squad next year.

I didnt see the sending off but surely you think it was a pen? 

I watched most of the first half and bar the first 10-15 mins I thought they controlled the rest of the half. 

I think Lampard has done well too but he did have a huge squad of talented players at his disposal. I'm not convinced about how good they are, yet at least. They have problems at the back and I'm not sure Lampard is the man to sort that problem. Arteta has come in half way through a season and made big improvements to one of the leakiest defences whilst Lampard has had a pre-season and a full season to sort them out but hasn't. Buying Havert and Werner is going to stop them conceding silly goals.

I would be amazed if Arteta managed to get CL football with that squad IMO. They are a group that shouldn't be good enough and its frustrating as an Everton fan to see a squad like that lift a trophy, especially when we lost to a bunch of kids. 

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1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said:

Bye bye pep and city!!  Rudi Garcia well done.  From Roma outcast to CL semis.  Their squad is decent but he’s got them playing as a well drilled unit.  I love this so much.  Seeing smug pep foiled by a guy who was fired by Roma and labeled a has been is just too sweet!

I wanted city to win to shut the crowing red shite up

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Anyone else think this coming season could turn out to be a bit of a vintage year? 

Liverpool have barely lost in the league for the last 3 seasons.

City who struggled last season have strengthened in a key position.

Chelsea have brought in a lot of players, highly touted ones too, albeit I'm not sure they improve their weaknesses. 

Utd finished the season well and whilst I dont remember them signing anyone yet, they are looking at decent players who look a much better fit than under previous managers.

Leicester seem to be the ones struggling at the moment as the end of their season showed they need more depth and so far all they have done is sold players.

Spurs have made some curious moves and I'm not entirely sure if they will help them improve but right back is a weakness they have addressed. 

Arsenal have done really well this window, especially if they keep Aubamayang. They could be a problem if they strengthen central midfield especially now they have two new pieces of silverware in the cabinet.

Wolves also haven't strengthened but they don't strike me as a team that need to do lots of business. 

We have our first season under Ancelotti and the rumours of players coming in are in the positions we desperately need. 

I think Southampton haven't done too badly either, permanently signing KWP and a highly thought of centre back. They also finished the season really well and will be confident. 

That list is 10 sides who will all fancy their chances this season. At this point I would guess that Leicester will be the side that struggles to improve upon last season but the rest of those higher up in the list all look as though they could have big seasons.

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I think that Chelsea will be dark horse for the title, there's not one person that's signed that you could argue with and given that nobody else has really done much in the circumstances, I expect them to be very close to top spot come May. 

Manchester City finally have something to motivate them domestically, so I expect them to be up there again (even more so if they sign Messi) and of course you can't write off the Shite, as much as I would want to. 

Arteta is doing a fantastic job, but I just don't think that Arsenal are good enough for a title challenge yet, back in the top four perhaps but not all the way for me - Mourinho has absolutely ruined Spurs as expected so would legitimately not rule out them being around 11th/12th at Xmas and for him to be sacked. 

 

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On 31/08/2020 at 16:12, Zoo 2.0 said:

I think that Chelsea will be dark horse for the title, there's not one person that's signed that you could argue with and given that nobody else has really done much in the circumstances, I expect them to be very close to top spot come May. 

Manchester City finally have something to motivate them domestically, so I expect them to be up there again (even more so if they sign Messi) and of course you can't write off the Shite, as much as I would want to. 

Arteta is doing a fantastic job, but I just don't think that Arsenal are good enough for a title challenge yet, back in the top four perhaps but not all the way for me - Mourinho has absolutely ruined Spurs as expected so would legitimately not rule out them being around 11th/12th at Xmas and for him to be sacked. 

 

I agree on the whole. It will be interesting to see what impact Thiago Silva has at Chelsea because they conceded too many sloppy goals last season. They will score plenty but its whether they can stop them going in at the other end that will determine their chances.

Looking at the other end of the league, Newcastle have just brought in Wilson and Fraser from Bournemouth. Two shrewd signings for them in my opinion. Still shit everywhere else though!

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Arsenal just completely dominated Fulham in the opening game of the season. Gabriel looked very good but Willian played ss though he had been at Arsenal his whole career. Bigger tests will come for them.

As for Fulham, with that defence if they don't get relegated Parker will have worked a miracle. I'm not sure Leno had to make a meaningful save or that they would have had an attack that would have concerned him. 

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Just watched the first half of the WBA v Leicester game. 

WBA's threat comes out wide. Not sure they have much else.

Leicester's system is better than the players they have. Vardy looks undercooked at the moment but he is an elite finisher but those behind him are midtable? Tielemans is a good player, Maddison is huge for them and they will be much better when he is back and as Evans is out Ndidi is playing CB but the likes of Barnes, Praat, Gray, Perez are average. At the back Soyuncu and Evans are a good partnership and this Castagne looks OK so far but Justin is crap. 

When everyone is fit they will be a tough nut to crack but if they pick up injuries like they did at the end of last season they will struggle to have anything like the impact they had last season.

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6 hours ago, Matt said:

WBA look awful 

There will only be one relegation place this season IMO, West Brom and Fulham are already out of their depth and will go straight back down - the only worry for the smaller teams in this division will be 18th. 

Not sure who will join them - West Ham, Brighton, Newcastle, Villa? But I'd be surprised if the two mentioned above manage to escape the trapdoor. 

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10 hours ago, Zoo 2.0 said:

There will only be one relegation place this season IMO, West Brom and Fulham are already out of their depth and will go straight back down - the only worry for the smaller teams in this division will be 18th. 

Not sure who will join them - West Ham, Brighton, Newcastle, Villa? But I'd be surprised if the two mentioned above manage to escape the trapdoor. 

West Ham or Newcastle please. Can't stand Newcastle and another failure for Moyes would be a thing of beauty to witness.

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28 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said:

Just look at this blatant bias. Here's the league table as shown on the BBC website. Correctly, teams are shown in order of points, then goal difference, and then alphabetical order - with one obvious exception. Look at the teams on 3 points and a goal difference of 1.

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The league is structured based on (1) Points, (2) Goal Difference, (3) Goals Scored. 

Liverpool scored four goals whereas Crystal Palace and Everton scored one (conceding zero each). 

The table is correct, no bias. 

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