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Can anybody else see this being an deadline day transfer for Fellaini and Baines and then us not having enough time to replace them?

don't think this will happen under Martinez I think hes too shrewed an operator.

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See link below. Clear as mud innit :)

 

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/eimanual/eim64115.htm

 

"In the English Football League, transfers between clubs entail the new club paying the League a levy of five per cent of the transfer fee. Signing-on fees are payable to the player at the discretion of the new club and will normally have been agreed between the player and the new club during transfer negotiations. The signing-on fee payable to the player is stated in the contract and is normally payable by equal instalments over the period of the contract, which may sometimes include the period over which there is an option to extend the contract.

 

Where the player is subsequently transferred at the request of his club, any unpaid instalments of the earlier signing-on fee are payable immediately. But where the player requests a transfer he forfeits any such unpaid instalments unless the management committee is satisfied that his transfer request was made on reasonable grounds.

 

Instalments of signing-on fees are chargeable to tax on receipt."

 

 

So my original statement stands. The math is wrong. If we get more than 15 mil from one of the players, why would we have to sell the other to fund the transfer? Its the NEW club that pays the league the levy of 5%

I'm sure that the spend is deducted from the income which means no taxation.

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Think that if Fellini went I would want to have McCarthy to replace him even though I would have liked us to have also signed Scott Parker. He will be a great signing for Fulham for me he is the steel we need in the midfield and always gives 100%. Tough tacking midfeilder for 1 million or what ever they got him for they will get a good 2-3 seasons out of him. A team with Scott Parker in the side is one that will be hard to break down that's for sure. Credit Fulham for getting him

 

There's a reason Spurs Parker for that price, his legs have gone - his tenacity is his best quality but thats no good if you can't get there. You see how quick players go when the legs aren't there, Keane, Viera, better players, but as soon as that mobility to boss the midfield goes then they are no use at all.

 

I don't want another player signing 5 years after he should have done in the first place.

 

McCarthy is 22 and has his best years ahead and we will develop him to a very very good player. £10-13m will be the right price for a player who can be an Everton great.

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There's a reason Spurs Parker for that price, his legs have gone - his tenacity is his best quality but thats no good if you can't get there. You see how quick players go when the legs aren't there, Keane, Viera, better players, but as soon as that mobility to boss the midfield goes then they are no use at all.

 

 

This! And it's a reason I don't want Barry near our club as well.

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What's funny is that..

 

a) Everton have made no indication whatsoever that they want McCarthy (officially)

b ) Wigan haven't put any price tag on him, let alone £15m (officially)

c) If anything was going to happen, or has happened you'd hear it first from Dave Whelan, way before SSN or the rags. (Not officially, but it is DW!)

 

 

Reading this forum you'd think McCarthy was the only midfielder in the world we could buy and considering its all sprouted from paper rumours I think this is getting a lot of wasted energy!

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What's funny is that..

 

a) Everton have made no indication whatsoever that they want McCarthy (officially)

b ) Wigan haven't put any price tag on him, let alone £15m (officially)

c) If anything was going to happen, or has happened you'd hear it first from Dave Whelan, way before SSN or the rags. (Not officially, but it is DW!)

 

 

Reading this forum you'd think McCarthy was the only midfielder in the world we could buy and considering its all sprouted from paper rumours I think this is getting a lot of wasted energy!

Pretty sure Whelan said at the start of the summer when there was us and spurs interested that he would cost nearer £20m

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What's funny is that..

 

a) Everton have made no indication whatsoever that they want McCarthy (officially)

b ) Wigan haven't put any price tag on him, let alone £15m (officially)

c) If anything was going to happen, or has happened you'd hear it first from Dave Whelan, way before SSN or the rags. (Not officially, but it is DW!)

 

 

Reading this forum you'd think McCarthy was the only midfielder in the world we could buy and considering its all sprouted from paper rumours I think this is getting a lot of wasted energy!

 

 

It's the rumour section, and we're rumoured to be interested, so we're discussing the rumour :dont know: .

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I think I must be the only one that hasn't ever (knowingly) seen McCarthy actually play. Do many people watch Wigan games other than against Everton?

 

Only watched MOTD but on that he looked pretty good.....saying that thought Obertan looked good on MOTD haha.

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What's funny is that..

 

a) Everton have made no indication whatsoever that they want McCarthy (officially)

b ) Wigan haven't put any price tag on him, let alone £15m (officially)

c) If anything was going to happen, or has happened you'd hear it first from Dave Whelan, way before SSN or the rags. (Not officially, but it is DW!)

 

 

Reading this forum you'd think McCarthy was the only midfielder in the world we could buy and considering its all sprouted from paper rumours I think this is getting a lot of wasted energy!

 

I think this one particularly has legs: here's the logic....

 

RM is aware of united interest for Fellaini and could have activated the £23m clause... at that time he will have had a plan in place for the potential departure of a defensive midfielder.... McCarthy is a player who martinez has stated has the technique to play for any team in the world...

 

he will be affordable for less than we will sell fellaini - around £8m less....

 

I know he isn't the superstar marquee "Football manager 2013 top scout predicts "wonder kid" - next "zinedine zidane""

 

But i've seen enough of him to know he is a proper footballer, a very good one. No one got too excited about makelele....didnt stop him being a pretty awesome component of a winning team.

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I think I must be the only one that hasn't ever (knowingly) seen McCarthy actually play. Do many people watch Wigan games other than against Everton?

I've been following him since his time with Hamilton so I've seen a fair bit of him. I was gutted we didn't get in there when he left them.

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It's the rumour section, and we're rumoured to be interested, so we're discussing the rumour :dont know: .

I realise that mate, but the way it's being discussed belies that it is jut a rumour!

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I think I must be the only one that hasn't ever (knowingly) seen McCarthy actually play. Do many people watch Wigan games other than against Everton?

 

They do get the odd game on sky sports, he had a particularly solid and mature game against Man City in the fa cup final too. Not to mention he also has given us the run around.

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I don't think anyone really knows what happened with Fer. There was rumours that he failed his medical and that Everton wanted to pay the cash sum in appearances but FC Twente didn't want that. Fer came out and said he didn't fail his medical it was just FC Twente pulled out of the transfer for some reason..no-one knows. Maybe Everton didn't have the money and wanted it to be part sum payments but FC Twente didn't want this and in full instead. Who knows...

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I think I must be the only one that hasn't ever (knowingly) seen McCarthy actually play. Do many people watch Wigan games other than against Everton?

I personally watch any game involving an English team be it premiership, lower league or in Europe (unless of course I'm at the game), so see plenty of Wigan live and of course the highlights (which don't always tell the whole story). I'll watch the odd la liga and scots prem game too and the bundesliga highlight show when I catch it! In addition sky sports news will often run on a loop in my house - hands up I'm an addict! Thankfully my wife likes football and even watches Sir Jeff on soccer Saturday when I'm at Goodison!

 

In conclusion, I've been very impressed with McCarthy for a fair while.

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I don't think anyone really knows what happened with Fer. There was rumours that he failed his medical and that Everton wanted to pay the cash sum in appearances but FC Twente didn't want that. Fer came out and said he didn't fail his medical it was just FC Twente pulled out of the transfer for some reason..no-one knows. Maybe Everton didn't have the money and wanted it to be part sum payments but FC Twente didn't want this and in full instead. Who knows...

Fer was a Moyes target, Moyes/Kenwright/Everton may have known as early as Jan about what we all know with ManU as SAF said he made his decision over the festive season. Maybe when push came to shove Kenwright wasn't prepared to back Moyes to sign a player that the next manager may not want. Speculative I know!

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I don't think anyone really knows what happened with Fer. There was rumours that he failed his medical and that Everton wanted to pay the cash sum in appearances but FC Twente didn't want that. Fer came out and said he didn't fail his medical it was just FC Twente pulled out of the transfer for some reason..no-one knows. Maybe Everton didn't have the money and wanted it to be part sum payments but FC Twente didn't want this and in full instead. Who knows...

 

I think it basically came down to the fact that we didnt have enough up front money to buy him. I dont know whether something came up in the medical after the original fee was agreed or whether we didnt have as much money as we thought, but whatever it was we tried to re-arrange the payment terms and Twente didnt want to change it. At least that is what I have been led to believe.

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I think McCarthy should only be priced around 10million. If we were to go nearer fifteen then surely there should be some deduction fir playing outside the premiership. No other championship midfielder in that league has a price tag anywhere near that value..... Even including QPR

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I think McCarthy should only be priced around 10million. If we were to go nearer fifteen then surely there should be some deduction fir playing outside the premiership. No other championship midfielder in that league has a price tag anywhere near that value..... Even including QPR

 

I would agree to a certain extent however if we had got relegated when we had Rooney when we finished just above relegation should we have sold him for less than £10m?

 

The reality is once a player has proven themselves against prem quality opponents, that takes them in a higher bracket. McCarthy has shone against the likes of Toure, Fellaini, dembele etc.

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Fletcher went to Sunderland for 15 million from Wolves and they were relegated. Jarvis also went to West Ham for 10 million. Zaha 15 million. Chamberlain - 12 million. If they are good players it doesn't matter if they play in the championship or not but I do think that McCarthy is worth 10 million and 15 million at a stretch any more than that then no point...

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Fletcher went to Sunderland for 15 million from Wolves and they were relegated. Jarvis also went to West Ham for 10 million. Zaha 15 million. Chamberlain - 12 million. If they are good players it doesn't matter if they play in the championship or not but I do think that McCarthy is worth 10 million and 15 million at a stretch any more than that then no point...

 

Seems like Will Hughes could be joining the Kopites for 10m as well.

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Cool lets go get him. Solid, solid signing if it happens. £12m plus add ons and we will have a player far better than joe Allen who the RS paid £15m for.

 

This is a young Michael carrick esque player, maybe similar to Gibson with what we have but more energy and more potential. A passing midfield eh. Like the holy trinity!

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As a former Wigan fan, I'd be delighted to see McCarthy join. He was the stand-out performer for Wigan within proven ability in the Premier League - plus, at 22, he has the potential to become a really big deal in this league. Some will moan that we're going back to Wigan again, but so be it: Baines was from Wigan as well, and I don't see too many complaints there.

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Your easily carried away Haf, i hope for your sake that this lad is big hit.

He's the complete opposite of a YouTube signing. Pure team player, moves the ball along, exactly what we need to replace ossie who I think is getting on.

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I think many are making judgement on what they've seen of him, regardless of anything else. I along with many others think he will be an excellent signing and exactly what we need.

No concern about him as a player, i think he will settle in straight away. Just the fee that concerns me £15m is an awful lot, imo should be no more than £10m

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If we add McCarthy without moving one of Baines or Fellaini then I will be stunned. That's why I'm a bit confused by the excitement. Not that McCarthy wouldn't be a nice addition, but losing either guy and adding McCarthy would be a downgrade.

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If we add McCarthy without moving one of Baines or Fellaini then I will be stunned. That's why I'm a bit confused by the excitement. Not that McCarthy wouldn't be a nice addition, but losing either guy and adding McCarthy would be a downgrade.

 

McCarthy, Aldeirweld, and possibly Marrone for Fellaini? Would you still say that's a downgrade?

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McCarthy, Aldeirweld, and possibly Marrone for Fellaini? Would you still say that's a downgrade?

 

That makes it more enticing. But I think also unrealistic. Would love to be proven wrong but I'd think we'd get McCarthy and maybe one other minor addition.

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He was a stand out player in a shit team. :dont know:

A stand out player in a shit team as a midfielder is far more impressive than an average player in a great team.

 

It's often said a shit player can look ok with top quality around him. Stephen Hughes anyone? Pascal cygan?

 

When you take a player who can stand out and outshine established opponents despite having lesser quality players to pass or receive from then they are good - simple as that. The fact is McCarthy was the heart beat in that team who had midfield stats that were top 10 across the board.

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I would be surprised if we got him without selling Fellaini, but I I would also be extremely happy. I don't see Fellaini or Baines leaving this window.

 

If we somehow got Alderwereild in addition to McCarthy, I would be very proud of our manager and chairman!

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I think many are making judgement on what they've seen of him, regardless of anything else. I along with many others think he will be an excellent signing and exactly what we need.

 

So how are you making your judgement Carlos. :huh:

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A stand out player in a shit team as a midfielder is far more impressive than an average player in a great team.

 

It's often said a shit player can look ok with top quality around him. Stephen Hughes anyone? Pascal cygan?

 

When you take a player who can stand out and outshine established opponents despite having lesser quality players to pass or receive from then they are good - simple as that. The fact is McCarthy was the heart beat in that team who had midfield stats that were top 10 across the board.

 

Even Rooney never got as much praise as your giving him, I'm beginning to think this fella is your brother Haf.

 

As i said before, i hope for your sake this lad is a world beater, or your gonna have to eat some shit. :yay:

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Unfortunately I'm not related as this lad will be a top class highly paid player.

 

Fortunately I can see a footballer when I see one. I'm not having a dig at anyone specific but there does seem to be a bit of "brand name snobbery" when it comes to players who aren't called "Wilfred" who is 6ft 6 and has YouTube clips showing him booting a player 6 foot up in the air.

 

It's the same as when we were linked with Martinez, "nah don't want him! Plays nice football but gets you relegated. That Portuguese fella looks fookin ace, wears and arm band on his sleeve and all sorts!, he's the next AVB, mark 2 who was the next mourinho mark 2"

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Or as we got our scouts from Wigan, we are buying players our scouts have already scouted.

Or is it that these Wigan players - specifically McCarthy had very similar stats to Michael Carrick.

 

You know the Michael carrick who the bloke in the pub heard Alan shearer praise in MOTD so says to his mates "tell ya, been saying for years that carrick is class, you gotta be able to spot the little things he does"

 

Mate "that McCarthy from wigans good ya know"

 

Motd bullshitter "what?! He got relegated, he's shite! How many goals does he score?!"

 

Mate: "read this.... http://www.eplindex.com/epl-news/35306/young-michael-carrick-market-stats-comparison.html.

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Conspiracy time:

 

We have no money.

The club need a manager who will accept we have no money.

Martinez can get 4 players on the cheap, all be it from Wigan.

Kenwright rubs hands together and gives Martinez pen to sign.

Martinez gets used as scapegoat if it goes tits up.

 

All this bollocks about the board supporting Martinez has come across as a bit presumptuous that we were going to sell somebody to fund our aspirations. I hope they prove me wrong and add to what we have, but I can't help but feel Martinez is being used.

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Conspiracy time:

 

We have no money.

The club need a manager who will accept we have no money.

Martinez can get 4 players on the cheap, all be it from Wigan.

Kenwright rubs hands together and gives Martinez pen to sign.

Martinez gets used as scapegoat if it goes tits up.

 

All this bollocks about the board supporting Martinez has come across as a bit presumptuous that we were going to sell somebody to fund our aspirations. I hope they prove me wrong and add to what we have, but I can't help but feel Martinez is being used.

I think Martinez is keeping his powder dry. We are playing hardball with the Mancs. We don't need to sell right now. We could do in January but Fellaini will cost more then. We are in a good position.

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I think Martinez is keeping his powder dry. We are playing hardball with the Mancs. We don't need to sell right now. We could do in January but Fellaini will cost more then. We are in a good position.

 

We need to strengthen in the middle though Haf and I'm not sure it's going to happen. The Barry signing is starting to sound like a desperately good idea lol.

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"sources" have claimed? :rolleyes:

 

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Id trust these sources over any quoted by SSN at the moment, on this topic at least.

 

Those are "sauces" Matt :lol:.

 

(Though Haf will be grateful for them if he has to eat shit :unsure:)

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