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38 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

BBC are reporting the fee is £3M

something is better than nothing and the wages are gone. hallelujah

15 minutes ago, pete0 said:

Don't see why were letting him go now he's back fit. 

because he will be injured again in another 20 minutes.

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17 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

 

because he will be injured again in another 20 minutes.

He broke his leg in a tackle (giving his all for the club). Leg breaks don't usually cause too much of an issue, I'm no physio but I'd assume if anything the extra rest will have helped sort out his hamstring issues as he's been unable to be rushed back. If he's back to 100% we've lost a very good player. 

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6 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said:

What do you not get about the fact that McCarthy broke his leg because he was the only member of our team who gave a sh## that day? He gave his all for the team and all you can do is imply he’s worthless. 

and yet he continually went on national duty when he WAS STILL INJURED and then stole a wage from our club after getting injured time after time when he was half fit on national duty.  ROI didn't get stuck with the wage and medical bills, we did, all because of his stupidity and selfishness.

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I see him more as a hard-luck/sympathetic figure than a villian. His career has been shit since Martinez got sacked. New manger in RK to impress, some untimely hamstring issues, and he got and followed some really poor advise from that dipshit ROI manager - O'Neal? - that eventually cost him almost the entire second half of the season, and certainly didn't endear him to the club or RK. Seems like his fitness was still an issue starting the following season and ROI duty further (rightly) infuriated RK. Then when he was finally fit he suffers a freak play where Rondon unleashed a shot that caught his leg before the ball snapping his tib-fib. 

He was a 23 year old rising EPL star under Martinez, now he is a 29 year old lost in the shuffle of multiple injuries, 4 different managerial styles and a squad that only has 2-3 of the teammates he started with. I honestly think more than anything he has tried to fight for his place on the pitch. Some rotten injury luck, a club that has turned over practically the entire squad, managers and owners over a few seasons isn't his doing. Some poor decisions when pulled between club and country are ultimately on him. 

I think he's still got the skill and grit to be an effective starter in the PL, but the relationship between him and the club appears unrecoverable, it's simply time to part for all involved. Hopefully a change in scenery and luck will allow him a few more productive years on the back half of his career. 

 

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5 minutes ago, Ghoat said:

I see him more as a hard-luck/sympathetic figure than a villian. His career has been shit since Martinez got sacked. New manger in RK to impress, some untimely hamstring issues, and he got and followed some really poor advise from that dipshit ROI manager - O'Neal? - that eventually cost him almost the entire second half of the season, and certainly didn't endear him to the club or RK. Seems like his fitness was still an issue starting the following season and ROI duty further (rightly) infuriated RK. Then when he was finally fit he suffers a freak play where Rondon unleashed a shot that caught his leg before the ball snapping his tib-fib. 

He was a 23 year old rising EPL star under Martinez, now he is a 29 year old lost in the shuffle of multiple injuries, 4 different managerial styles and a squad that only has 2-3 of the teammates he started with. I honestly think more than anything he has tried to fight for his place on the pitch. Some rotten injury luck, a club that has turned over practically the entire squad, managers and owners over a few seasons isn't his doing. Some poor decisions when pulled between club and country are ultimately on him. 

I think he's still got the skill and grit to be an effective starter in the PL, but the relationship between him and the club appears unrecoverable, it's simply time to part for all involved. Hopefully a change in scenery and luck will allow him a few more productive years on the back half of his career. 

 

I was happy when we signed him and thought he could've been one of the better CMs in the league, but injuries have definitely hurt his time here. 

I'm hoping he goes on to be successful, but I think this is the best decision the club could make regarding him. Good luck James. 

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8 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

BBC are reporting the fee is £3M

Lets just not mention this one when waxing lyrical about Brands' negotiation skills if it turns out to be true!

16 minutes ago, Bill said:

Yeah I saw that, what happened to the £8m offer that was refused. ??

What happened is you shouldn't just believe everything.

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Driving down to Palace for a Medical now,  there is no connection to the Zaha transfer.

Everton midfielder James McCarthy is currently driving to London after Crystal Palace agreed a fee £3m to sign the 28yo Republic of Ireland international from #EFC. He will undergo a medical and finalise personal terms on Wednesday before completing a move to Selhurst Park #CPFC
 

 

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9 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

and yet he continually went on national duty when he WAS STILL INJURED and then stole a wage from our club after getting injured time after time when he was half fit on national duty.  ROI didn't get stuck with the wage and medical bills, we did, all because of his stupidity and selfishness.

Mark you cant just refuse a call up or you run the risk of being banned at club level and fined. He either retired from international football for good or had to go. If anyone is to blame its Martin O'Neill and the Ireland FA, not McCarthy.

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2 hours ago, aaron said:

Mark you cant just refuse a call up or you run the risk of being banned at club level and fined. He either retired from international football for good or had to go. If anyone is to blame its Martin O'Neill and the Ireland FA, not McCarthy.

Yes you can players do it all the time and as far as getting banned from Republic of Ireland they have no quality who are they going to replace McCarthy with I just don’t see that being an issue 

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16 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

Yes you can players do it all the time and as far as getting banned from Republic of Ireland they have no quality who are they going to replace McCarthy with I just don’t see that being an issue 

His point is that if he refuses a call up he could get a ban from playing for his club. 

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24 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

Yes you can players do it all the time and as far as getting banned from Republic of Ireland they have no quality who are they going to replace McCarthy with I just don’t see that being an issue 

He would have been banned from club football, not international. You cant reject a international call up just like that, Liverpool almost lost Matip to suspension last year or the year before, he ended up retiring from international football to get around it. If the country in question takes it further the player can be banned from playing club football.

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26 minutes ago, StevO said:

His point is that if he refuses a call up he could get a ban from playing for his club. 

Not if he wasn't fit, he never played a game for us before he was called up, its the club that should have put their foot down to stop it if he wasn't fit.

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14 minutes ago, Bill said:

Not if he wasn't fit, he never played a game for us before he was called up, its the club that should have put their foot down to stop it if he wasn't fit.

And I'm sure McCarthy or a representative had discussions with MON/ROI about his fitness. I can only assume that McCarthy told them he was fit.

 

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57 minutes ago, StevO said:

His point is that if he refuses a call up he could get a ban from playing for his club. 

again i have seen americans and english do this time and again and say it's due to injury.  guess what?  when they are healthy they are called in again.  sitting out due to attitude (Vela) is another thing.  but people get injury.  also if he walks into the side half injured you think a fully fit mccarthy is gonna be rejected because he said no due to injury last time?  hell no.  they need him.   they are dire

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42 minutes ago, Sibdane said:

And I'm sure McCarthy or a representative had discussions with MON/ROI about his fitness. I can only assume that McCarthy told them he was fit.

 

That's why he's never played again since, and has ruined his career. Goodbye from me, glad to see him go.

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8 minutes ago, plaidharper said:

Because he is not a winger and plays the same position?

I wonder why Steve Parish is expecting him to provide creativity and not defensive stability then. 

Edit - he is, in fact, a CM, but it’s hardly the same role of McCarthy. I think we’ll still be ok. 

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Thanks for selling him, now that he is fit, he has been great for us. He does all the dirty work, niggly tackles, defending teammates and has added some real steel to our midfield. Should be a real battle between a few of us for those final European spots. Good luck CP fan

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On 08/03/2020 at 10:53, xian4 said:

Thanks for selling him, now that he is fit, he has been great for us. He does all the dirty work, niggly tackles, defending teammates and has added some real steel to our midfield. Should be a real battle between a few of us for those final European spots. Good luck CP fan

He would get into our side now.

I said at the time I would have sooner seen him get up to speed before deciding to sell. 

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I loved McCarthy, I make no secret about that. He was limited in some aspects (but those aspects were the requirements for other players anyway), but what he was good at he was very good at and we miss what he brought to the team. The same way we miss Gana. 

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18 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

he will be injured shortly in which case no one will be missing him then.

You have been calling for him to be sold for ages... £3m for him.  I'd have paid £3m to have him for our remaining matches.

He was injured due to Martinez rushing him back time after time. Then he got a leg break covering for schneiderlein being a coward. 

Very solid midfielder who would be doing a job for us. 

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5 hours ago, Hafnia said:

You have been calling for him to be sold for ages... £3m for him.  I'd have paid £3m to have him for our remaining matches.

He was injured due to Martinez rushing him back time after time. Then he got a leg break covering for schneiderlein being a coward. 

Very solid midfielder who would be doing a job for us. 

he was sold, he's not longer our player.  and i rejoice.  sadly we replaced him with the same thing in Delph, always injured.

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5 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

he was sold, he's not longer our player.  and i rejoice.  sadly we replaced him with the same thing in Delph, always injured.

Delph isn’t fit to lace McCarthy’s boots. While Delph talks a good game he’s fucking shite, McCarthy said nothing and did his job where it mattered. 

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8 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

Delph isn’t fit to lace McCarthy’s boots. While Delph talks a good game he’s fucking shite, McCarthy said nothing and did his job where it mattered. 

Exactly. McCarthy and Barry in that first year or so together were the best we've had as a partnership in ages. 

His injuries stemmed from Martinez rushing him back. Great attitude on the pitch. 

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3 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Exactly. McCarthy and Barry in that first year or so together were the best we've had as a partnership in ages. 

His injuries stemmed from Martinez rushing him back. Great attitude on the pitch. 

His injuries stemmed from that prick O'Neill rushing him back for international duties.

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9 hours ago, Bill said:

His injuries stemmed from that prick O'Neill rushing him back for international duties.

He never got an injury from 2010 till he he strained his hamstring at the end of 2014.... he strained it again less than a month later... then again.

Danny Donachie got the sack I recall and there was debate as to whether Martinez rushed McCarthy back and Donachie carried the can or whether it was his fault he got injured again.

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2 hours ago, Hafnia said:

He never got an injury from 2010 till he he strained his hamstring at the end of 2014.... he strained it again less than a month later... then again.

Danny Donachie got the sack I recall and there was debate as to whether Martinez rushed McCarthy back and Donachie carried the can or whether it was his fault he got injured again.

He got the hamstring and was out for some time, hadn't played a match for us since the injury and O'Neill picked him for the international squad. McCarthy went with the squad and continued to get the recurring injury, the club should have stopped him going because he still wasn't fit to play.

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12 minutes ago, Bill said:

He got the hamstring and was out for some time, hadn't played a match for us since the injury and O'Neill picked him for the international squad. McCarthy went with the squad and continued to get the recurring injury, the club should have stopped him going because he still wasn't fit to play.

November 9th to December 6th 2014 - groin injury.

December 28th to January 31st 2015 - groin injury.

This happened under Martinez...  Martinez played him against wolfsburg away and he lasted 10 minutes.   Donachie got the blame but we had numerous hamstring injuries at the time - Baines was getting them.  I think Martinez was overruling Donachie.

The whole Ireland thing was under Koeman. 

I liked McCarthy. Proper player. 

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On 11/03/2020 at 07:55, Hafnia said:

Exactly. McCarthy and Barry in that first year or so together were the best we've had as a partnership in ages. 

His injuries stemmed from Martinez rushing him back. Great attitude on the pitch. 

 

On 11/03/2020 at 11:19, Bill said:

His injuries stemmed from that prick O'Neill rushing him back for international duties.

Or he kept getting himself injured because he kept trying to play when he wasn't right. 

Your sports scientists can only tell you so much. If the fitness figures are right and he is saying he feels good then why wouldn't the club or international manager play him.

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5 hours ago, Bailey said:

 

Or he kept getting himself injured because he kept trying to play when he wasn't right. 

Your sports scientists can only tell you so much. If the fitness figures are right and he is saying he feels good then why wouldn't the club or international manager play him.

You mean the republic of Ireland who had keane and O'Neill pressuring  medical staff to pass players as fit?  Read what Jon Walters said about it all.

 

 

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On 08/03/2020 at 12:16, Cornish Steve said:

How many times must it be said? Games are ultimately won and lost in midfield. We have a shockingly poor midfield right now. If we could fix that, we'd be a transformed team.

 

On 08/03/2020 at 12:33, Cornish Steve said:

...But, more than anything, we desperately need a dominator, bully, powerful engine, oversized personality in midfield. That's what will turn us around. It would have made a big difference today - if we'd have got the formation right.

 

On 09/03/2020 at 13:54, Romey 1878 said:

I loved McCarthy, I make no secret about that. He was limited in some aspects (but those aspects were the requirements for other players anyway), but what he was good at he was very good at and we miss what he brought to the team. The same way we miss Gana. 

When I wrote those comments above, I hadn't thought of James McCarthy. You're right, though, that he matches some of these criteria.

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10 hours ago, Bailey said:

Still McCarthy's decision. 

It's a load of hypocritic bullshit.  For years we had the likes of Peter Reid, Dave Watson, Duncan Ferguson, Wayne Rooney, Don Hutchison, John Ebbrell playing through the pain barrier to their own cost but they were brave if they did it for a blue shirt.

Clubs take guidance from the medical staff.... they do MRI scans on hamstring injuries and if they are torn then they don't play.  When recovered the Players are told to look for tightening etc, McCarthy is not going to play if he felt like his hammys were going to go... the fact is Martinez played him against Donachies advice - McCarthy felt ok, Donachie advised against him playing and Martinez played him and he broke down- not one but twice in succession. 

Look at a Michael Owen, Giggs, Torres, dembele....  all suffered repeated hamstring injuries.  Is it their fault too?  

At amateur level I had a pelvic injury which I recovered from, then in a matter of one year I tore my hamstring and groin sever times because of an imbalance. Each time I played before doing it I felt great.... no tightness or anything.

People just find it convenient to blame McCarthy because of the whole Everton vs Ireland nonsense.  He's not a medic and by nature is a footballer who if feeling fit will play. 

 

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On 15/03/2020 at 10:22, Hafnia said:

It's a load of hypocritic bullshit.  For years we had the likes of Peter Reid, Dave Watson, Duncan Ferguson, Wayne Rooney, Don Hutchison, John Ebbrell playing through the pain barrier to their own cost but they were brave if they did it for a blue shirt.

Clubs take guidance from the medical staff.... they do MRI scans on hamstring injuries and if they are torn then they don't play.  When recovered the Players are told to look for tightening etc, McCarthy is not going to play if he felt like his hammys were going to go... the fact is Martinez played him against Donachies advice - McCarthy felt ok, Donachie advised against him playing and Martinez played him and he broke down- not one but twice in succession. 

Look at a Michael Owen, Giggs, Torres, dembele....  all suffered repeated hamstring injuries.  Is it their fault too?  

At amateur level I had a pelvic injury which I recovered from, then in a matter of one year I tore my hamstring and groin sever times because of an imbalance. Each time I played before doing it I felt great.... no tightness or anything.

People just find it convenient to blame McCarthy because of the whole Everton vs Ireland nonsense.  He's not a medic and by nature is a footballer who if feeling fit will play. 

 

Why is it hypocritical? You will know as well as I do, when you have been out all you want to do is get back on the pitch. Even when you know you are not right, you get back out there because that is what you want to do. 

The example you have given is more or less proof. You think those players you mentioned didn't have the medical green light to train and then play? The rhetoric is that McCarthy was playing knowing he is injured. If he was then, that's on him, not anyone else. The Irish medics would have passed him fit just as ours did yet there is this conspiracy theory that it was all down to Martinez.

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Just now, Bailey said:

Why is it hypocritical? You will know as well as I do, when you have been out all you want to do is get back on the pitch. Even when you know you are not right, you get back out there because that is what you want to do. 

The example you have given is more or less proof. You think those players you mentioned didn't have the medical green light to train and then play? The rhetoric is that McCarthy was playing knowing he is injured. If he was then, that's on him, not anyone else. The Irish medics would have passed him fit just as ours did yet there is this conspiracy theory that it was all down to Martinez.

It's not a conspiracy theory! Up till the McCarthy spate of injuries Martinez was almost permanently talking himself up as a physio - because he has physio qualifications.

Let's make this clear - McCarthy and his injury problems all go back to his repeated early comebacks on Martinez watch.

McCarthy is an old school footballer who would play with an injury and these players need the expertise of the management team to choose when/If to play them.

I'll leave it to the words of Donachie himself who had 10 years great service at Everton till his new boss decided he was a better physio.

 

‘It’s not inconceivable to find yourself in a position where the athlete and the coaching staff are desperate to play in the next game and you know it’s not in their best interest,’ said Donachie. ‘This is when your communication skills come into play, by convincing the management it is the best thing for the player and hence the team and explain and cajole the player into preparing for the more sensible option.’ Donachie is currently on gardening leave but is sure to be in demand.

 

 

 

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41 minutes ago, Bailey said:

Yep... he with a great "let's throw the physio under the bus" act after getting rid of the bloke who told him McCarthy wasn't ready. 

The players like Distin clashed with Martinez over his training. He insisted on small space high output training, short pitches with lots of bursts and decelerating which put strain on their hammies. Jagielka was another who I recall voiced concerns.  

Distin more than any player we've had was more physically aware.  Martinez biggest issue was that he refused to listen or learn and was stubborn. It cost him his job in the end.   Was it donachies job to take training too?

No. Our injury record under him and moyes was very good for years.  All on Martinez.... it started with him and he lost the trust of players over it. 

Here's a more complete article:-

 

Just before Christmas last season, Everton’s head of medical services, Danny Donachie, gave an interview to a professional website where he addressed some of the key issues facing him as the senior physio at one of England’s leading football clubs. Six months into Roberto Martinez’s tenure as manager, Everton were riding high; the evening after Donachie’s interview was published, Martinez’s Everton would do what the team hadn’t managed in the previous 21 years and beat Manchester United at Old Trafford. It was hard to overstate the optimism, and the enthusiasm, which swept the stands at Goodison in response to the Catalan’s exposition of free-flowing football and apparent total lack of fear.

That December day, few Evertonians noticed Donachie’s interview, given as it was to a site which is part of the trade press and excited as they were about the looming fixture the next evening at Old Trafford. In the weeks which followed – as Goodison began to echo to chants of ‘Oviedo baby’ – it was still less likely that any match-going Blue would pay it much attention. But a year on, with Everton only having scored five league wins all season and slipping into a relegation battle on the back of four straight defeats – and with Donachie parting company with the club – it repays a look.

Donachie began by picking up on the issue of hamstring injuries, arguing that “many of the treatments we employ are no better than placebo under proper scrutiny. Anti-inflammatory medication for example is used widely in elite sport and yet there is more and more evidence arising that for soft tissue injuries they may actually retard rather than expedite healing.” One stat which went unheralded until recently was that in the 18 months of Martinez’s tenure, the Everton squad had been hit with 18 hamstring injuries – more than anyone else in the league – whereas previously Everton had a good record in this area. Donachie moved on, to address directly the challenges a physio can face dealing with a manager:

Competition and financial implications of success are irresistible in sport these days and the aspirations of the stakeholders involved in the care package of an athlete may not always appear to be aligned…It’s not inconceivable to find yourself in a position where the athlete and the coaching staff are desperate to play in the next game and you know it’s not in their best interest! This is when your communication skills come into play, by convincing the management it is the best thing for the player and hence the team and explain and cajole the player into preparing for the more sensible option.

So much, so unremarkable. Physios have to argue with managers – and players themselves – to stop players returning from injuries too soon. Big wow. But taken in context, Donachie’s remarks – and his sudden, unexplained departure from Everton – raise questions about the management of Everton’s first-team squad in the 2014-2015 season. It is perhaps merely a coincidence that James McCarthy, sidelined with a hamstring injury for weeks, was rushed back into the team in the middle of a bad run of form, and then had to limp out of the Newcastle match, proving to be unavailable for the next game against Hull. It’s perhaps a coincidence that news of Donachie’s resignation broke the day after that match. And then again, perhaps it isn’t.

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