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8 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

He says we were a striker away from competing for the title.   We could have had Fernando Torres and it wouldn't have mattered.  Strikers were not used correctly by him.  

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3 minutes ago, hafnia said:

Now.... there's a legend.  Haven't seen a better keeper in my lifetime.

Schmichael? Nope.  Probably the closest to him in terms of proof over time.  De Gea ability wise is close.

In reality this fella is the template for goalkeeping. 

Astounding that he kept a clean sheet in more than half his games, sure he had some great defenders in front of him for a few years but he also had some shite ones.

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1 hour ago, MikeO said:

Astounding that he kept a clean sheet in more than half his games, sure he had some great defenders in front of him for a few years but he also had some shite ones.

Less than half Mike, but still very good stats.

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4 hours ago, hafnia said:

He says we were a striker away from competing for the title.   We could have had Fernando Torres and it wouldn't have mattered.  Strikers were not used correctly by him.  

Needless to say I totally disagree. If we had of had a Lukaku type player in the side that contained Baines, Piennar,Jags,Lescott, Cahill, Howard and Arteta all in their prime I have no doubt we would have won silverware and been contenders in the league 

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9 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

Needless to say I totally disagree. If we had of had a Lukaku type player in the side that contained Baines, Piennar,Jags,Lescott, Cahill, Howard and Arteta all in their prime I have no doubt we would have won silverware and been contenders in the league 

If we had a lukaku in that side there is absolutely no way moyes will have allowed him to play the way he did ... absolutely no chance.

Moyes would not stomach a striker losing the ball and not working the line.  He had a finisher in yakubu, AJ and essentially made them workhorses. Yak wouldn't conform and after his injury he was done.

You only need to see how moyes managed RVP when he went to United. He was an elite level striker - golden boot winner and moyes couldn't get a tune from him.

Moyes and strikers just did not go together. 

 

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11 minutes ago, hafnia said:

If we had a lukaku in that side there is absolutely no way moyes will have allowed him to play the way he did ... absolutely no chance.

Moyes would not stomach a striker losing the ball and not working the line.  He had a finisher in yakubu, AJ and essentially made them workhorses. Yak wouldn't conform and after his injury he was done.

You only need to see how moyes managed RVP when he went to United. He was an elite level striker - golden boot winner and moyes couldn't get a tune from him.

Moyes and strikers just did not go together. 

 

He never had a decent striker to work with so not sure how you can say that. Sure the Yak looked the part for his first season but then he did exactly what he did at every club he played for and wrapped his tits in

 

 

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27 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

He never had a decent striker to work with so not sure how you can say that. Sure the Yak looked the part for his first season but then he did exactly what he did at every club he played for and wrapped his tits in

 

 

Jelavic - another one who came in and started great. Moyes managed it out of strikers. RVP and Hernandez at man United....  He played strikers out wide and expected labour and sacrifice at the detriment of their own games. 

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4 minutes ago, hafnia said:

Jelavic - another one who came in and started great. Moyes managed it out of strikers. RVP and Hernandez at man United....  He played strikers out wide and expected labour and sacrifice at the detriment of their own games. 

The simple truth is that Jelavic couldn’t hack it in the Premiership , he didn’t exactly prove Moyes wrong when he left for Hull did he?

Man Utd was a poisoned chalice , the entire squad needed rebuilding and he wasn’t given the time to do it. That is proven by the fact LVG and Mourinho have thrown a ton of money at them , something else Moyes was denied the opportunity of doing, and they haven’t faired much better 

 

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4 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

He never had a decent striker to work with so not sure how you can say that. Sure the Yak looked the part for his first season but then he did exactly what he did at every club he played for and wrapped his tits in

 

 

Saha wasnt bad.

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13 hours ago, Bailey said:

Saha wasnt bad.

Great player who's injury record with us wasn't bad at all.  

He had over 20 seperate injuries at United and only 10 with us 3 of which were strains. Tim Cahill had 31 injuries in his time with us.

I recall Saha struggling with the attacking midfielder cahill/fellaini occupying his spaces.... He was all too often forced into the channels and used as a target man. 

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22 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

He never had a decent striker to work with so not sure how you can say that. Sure the Yak looked the part for his first season but then he did exactly what he did at every club he played for and wrapped his tits in

 

 

How dare you forget the legend that was James Beatie 👌😉

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14 hours ago, Palfy said:

How dare you forget the legend that was James Beatie 👌😉

He was a goal every three games man for Southampton, Moyes soon coached that out of him! AJ was a goal every two at Palace so they must surely count as "decent" if not great.

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I could almost sound hypocritical when it comes to Moyes and strikers as my criticisms of Lukaku are exactly what would have led to Moyes benching him.

There's only a couple of elite level strikers that would have done well under him - Suarez to name one. Mainly because working his balls off is in his DNA whilst being able to score goals too. 

 

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Whoever Moyes played up front he still would have gone away to the top 4 teams and set up to drawer. Beattie was never the striker to play up front on his own. We were really the first team in the prem to play one upfront. Now it is the norm. Beattie needed wingers to get to the byline and provide crosses so he could attack them. He was piss poor with his back to goal. Saha was quality he could have been at the top of the game if it wasn’t for injury.  Aj and the yak were not the same players after their bad injuries 

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On 16/09/2018 at 14:57, MikeO said:

 

Just a shame Nevs best stuff is hidden away on vhs somewhere. I’ve never seen a goalkeeper before or since that comes close to him. He wouldn’t even move if he knew he was beaten. Which didn’t happen often. I remember seeing him games when people would shoot and instead of catching it he’d chest it down 😂

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11 hours ago, MikeO said:

He was a goal every three games man for Southampton, Moyes soon coached that out of him! AJ was a goal every two at Palace so they must surely count as "decent" if not great.

Beattie wasn’t getting a game  at Southampton because his form fell off the cliff . The vast majority of AJ’s goals at Palace were from the spot and once he signed for us we wouldn’t have got a pen if he had been decapitated in the penalty spot 

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https://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/dec/18/premier-league-clubs-charge-600-children-mascots

The Guardian says we're not charging anything

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Some clubs, including Spurs, QPR and Newcastle, do, however, offer a number of free mascot places through competitions and charities. Others do not charge at all: Arsenal, Aston Villa, Chelsea, Everton, Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United, Southampton and Sunderland.

 

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37 minutes ago, johnh said:

I have had a very quick response from Everton.  All is not as it seems.  There are three seperate packages for 'Mascots'.

1. Free for the children of season ticket holders and members.

2. Corporate hospitality for which there is a charge (no details given)

3. Everton in the community - 3 games per season for which the charge is £599 plus vat.

I have suggested in my reply that they advise the Telegraph of the true situation.  I have also suggested that as none of the packages appear to cater for children in 'just managing' families, that maybe something could be set up via the schools to provide this facility for free.  We are, after all, the People's club.

Pleased to hear they responded so quickly and pleased that the £599 figure is misleading

I think that the fact that it's free for member's kids probably covers the "just managing" demographic as that costs just £30 for a year.

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And how do they choose which kids to be mascots and when? "Charged parents" must have priority then, because season ticket holders' kids are up for the job at any time. It's still not great for me.

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49 minutes ago, Haiku said:

And how do they choose which kids to be mascots and when? "Charged parents" must have priority then, because season ticket holders' kids are up for the job at any time. It's still not great for me.

It’s quite likely for the three games a season that we have a paid mascot that we’d have two for those games. 

I have no idea if that’s the case though. 

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7 hours ago, MikeO said:

I wouldn't call 21 pens in 74 goals a "vast majority" personally.

I was referring to the season he made his name with Palace in the Premiership before he joined us , scored something like  19 goals and 11 were from the spot so he was never a great goal scorer

in fact he probably got more goals from open play with us than he did any other side 

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Ibrahim Said has reflected back on his time at English Premier League outfit Everton with David Moyes and how it went in England.

Ibrahim Said started off by talking about his personality. “He is a tough manager, he’s not the type of manager that you would sit and talk with.” He stayed in Everton for a very short time in 2003 in which he didn’t play any competitive match.

“The weird thing that Moyes was the one who asked for me, he’s the one who discovered me as a player. He went to the Everton board and told them I want Ibrahim Said” revealed Said when talking with Mido.

Mido went on to ask him how his attitude changed after being benched for five consecutive matches without any minutes off the bench. “I didn’t give up or get bored at all, my attitude never changed in training. I was going to play the match against Liverpool as a starter but then I dyed my hair red and I didn’t play.” said the Egyptian center back.

“Suddenly Moyes sent me to the B team to train and play matches with them, I put in some great displays but I still didn’t get my chance in the first team. When I got fed up I asked him why I’m not playing and he told me that he’s preparing me for next season.” continued Said.

“Moyes had many problems not just with me but with other players, even Rooney. He is a dictator and doesn’t know how to win the players,” Said concluded.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Louis said:

Everton have suspended head of academy recruitment Martin Waldron.
The club are being investigated by the Premier League over breaching rules on the transfers of young players.

Get that out of here. This is the everything good about our club thread!

Seriously though, not good to see. Hope the club weren’t aware of wrong doings.

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1 hour ago, Louis said:

Everton have suspended head of academy recruitment Martin Waldron.
The club are being investigated by the Premier League over breaching rules on the transfers of young players.

But more on it here

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-suspend-academy-chief-during-15215053#ICID=ios_EchoNewsApp_AppShare_Click_Other

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