StevO Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 I think he knows that his first few signings need to be reliable. He knows the character of Kone and Alcaraz, he knows how hard they work and how they interact with other players, he knows if they rock the boat or not. They also know his systems and can help him integrate it into our squad. If he brings them both in and it costs £6.5m for added depth and competition, then I won't mind. He's playing it safe. If we only bring in these two and lose none, apart from Johnny, I'll be happy to wait until January for more additions. Matt, efc1111 and Sibdane 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 I'll wait and see if and when the deal is complete before I blow my top like some on here we all know papers make shit up. £6.5 mil is too much but we don't have a clue what the price is really. Thank-you . Think I need to stay out of rumourama before I lose the will to live; not over the rumours themselves but over the reaction to them in here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 Think we need to take our FIFA 2013/fashionable player goggles off here guys. The lad has scored almost 1 in 2 for his last two teams operating in the two of the best leagues in the world. If he was 25 years old he would be costing £10m. He has tremendous attributes. I think he will be a good buy. £6m buys you naff all in a striker nowadays. FFS we managed to get £4m for beckford who is shite. P.s anyone see his performance against us at the DW, heitinga had a mare against him. He has benteke esque attributes, maybe not as good but very effective and powerful. Peter H 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzp7zy Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 Have to say it isn't getting me terribly excited, I was hoping for better. That said, I'm not complaining because of his age and potential sell-on value. Spurs have offered 17m for Soldado and he's 28 so its not like people aren't paying good money for people of that age. As has already been said, I think he's better than Vic but still think we'll need to try and get another main line striker in if we sell Felli or Baines (or Jela). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 i get the feeling haf that if moyes was to have gone for kone you'd be goin mental Matt and GoodisonRoad 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 What's the goal? To do well next year by pursuing and sticking to a strategy? Or is it simply to reduce the average age of the squad? What matters is strategy. There's no point bringing in only young players if they don't fit with the overall strategy I would anticipate purchases both younger and older, but they will be consistent with the RM approach. Sibdane and Peter H 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bainaar Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 Sky sports reporting west ham have now made a bid for Bony and ate saying Swansea have now made a bid for nacer chadli, does this mean Swansea have pulled out of the bony deal as he would be a better signing than Kone if we were to bid for him younger, better and will have sell on value Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troy8 Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 I'll be really upset if we sign him, especially if it's for the 5 million quoted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 Next season £5m won't buy you Steven Naismith. If someone can provide a list of better players who will cost less then go for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 such a shit argument haf....10 years ago would anyone have picked out tim cahill as a star? or arteta? or pienaar? we aren't paid to pick out better players for the same price...scouts and managers are..i judge what i see and he isn't worth what is being touted imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bainaar Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 @SkySportsNews: Wigan chairman Dave Whelan expects striker Arouna Kone to join Everton for £5m in next 24 hours #SSN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23146298 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 (edited) Have to say it isn't getting me terribly excited, I was hoping for better. That said, I'm not complaining because of his age and potential sell-on value. Spurs have offered 17m for Soldado and he's 28 so its not like people aren't paying good money for people of that age. As has already been said, I think he's better than Vic but still think we'll need to try and get another main line striker in if we sell Felli or Baines (or Jela). The difference is they can afford to write off money, we cannot. Edited July 2, 2013 by Romey 1878 Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bainaar Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 This is such shit business cannot stop raging! Every other club is buying much better class of players and Kone is not that! No sell on value and too old we need to he buying better players if we want to show ambition otherwise we will surely slump into a middle places club! Terrible transfer policy business ambition and we keep giving money to the twat of all twats Dave Whelan 5 million is way too much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post EFC-Paul Posted July 2, 2013 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 (edited) I think people are over reacting slightly on this and some far too much. I fully agree that anything over £4/5m is excessive not due to ability purely due to his age but that said if He can score 15+ a season then his fee would be fully justified. If we had Him last season there would be a good chance we would be playing some form of European football this coming season as we all know we've missed some great chances and should have been far more prolific upfront. The one thing you will get with Kone is a decent instinctive goal scorer if you watched him last season he not only scored a few but created space and chances for others as he is a handfull. When we are on form we create chance after chance and if this guy was in or around the box last season he'd have thieved on the service and I'm pretty confident he'd have scored a fair few. Not at a great age but still has ability and a few seasons left in him if he stays free from injury and although I won't be ecstatic I'll be fairly happy knowing we have a bloke who will convert chances work hard for the team and he knows the league and regardless of age will cause teams problems... I'll give him my full support and be pretty confident he'd prove a fair few wrong. Edited July 2, 2013 by EFC-Paul Peter H, Matt, StevO and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_E Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 £5m for a 30-year-old striker? I hope that's just guess work and the real figure is less. I think he's a marginal improvement on Jelavic and Anichebe, but what are we gonna do in three years time when he needs replacing? I suppose it would be a decent deal if he could score 10+ goals for a couple of seasons, but strikers generally don't age as well as defenders and Koné's already had several severe injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueBlood81 Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 I suppose it would mean we are getting someone in early for a change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 such a shit argument haf....10 years ago would anyone have picked out tim cahill as a star? or arteta? or pienaar? we aren't paid to pick out better players for the same price...scouts and managers are..i judge what i see and he isn't worth what is being touted imo That's the whole point exactly. Cahill, arteta and pienaar were unproven in the prem. this lad is proven and is a good quality player. For every pienaar you can get a maggy gueye, for every Cahill you can get a Naismith, for every arteta you can get a nyarko. I think £5m is good value for a proven premier quality centre forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 I agree with pretty much everyone in thinking that the fee is too much if it's quoted at the 6.5 mil. I think 4 mil is the appropriate price, so if the price is 5 mil, then I can't be too upset. If he carries over his form into the next season from Wigan and scores 11-15 goals then I'll be happy with the deal. I think at a club like Everton he will score at least 15. Point is, it remains to be seen just what exactly he brings to the field. It's too early to call this horrible business when the expected results will still be lingering for the next 3-4 years. Steve_E and StevO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 Not once have I heard anything official from Everton that we are after 'anybody'. This is the silly season for a reason. Stop panicking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 12 league goals isnt so bad in a team that went down. If he scored three more and got into the 15 goal bracket he would have been right up the goal scorers list. If we buy him we buy him, let him prove himself. Sibdane and EFC-Paul 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 That's the whole point exactly. Cahill, arteta and pienaar were unproven in the prem. this lad is proven and is a good quality player. For every pienaar you can get a maggy gueye, for every Cahill you can get a Naismith, for every arteta you can get a nyarko. I think £5m is good value for a proven premier quality centre forward. 11 goals in one season is not proven prem quality...lets go shit 5m on grant holt too...what's michael ricketts doin nowadays? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 Danny Graham? He scored a bucket load in the prem. Or what's the other one, Kevin Davies? Scored rucks for Bolton. They were proven prem players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 a quick look at stats he scored 1 goal in 40 for sevilla...the only club close to playing at the consistent level we have been for the last few years...sorry for not tugging away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 i get the feeling haf that if moyes was to have gone for kone you'd be goin mental Guaranteed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ph3nom3non Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 anyone else concerned about the age of our squad tho, we all know we are not gonna have the money to transform a team when are players start to become to old to play at there best, distin, jags, osman, pienaar, and kone (if we get him) all going to be in there 30's and most probaly in the starting line up thats nearly half the team! I think we need to bring in some younger quality players or may struggle in the future, especiarlly if the likes of duffy, stones, and the prospects we have dont work out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 That's the whole point exactly. Cahill, arteta and pienaar were unproven in the prem. this lad is proven and is a good quality player. For every pienaar you can get a maggy gueye, for every Cahill you can get a Naismith, for every arteta you can get a nyarko. I think £5m is good value for a proven premier quality centre forward. Kone and Quality just don't fit well in a sentence. There's no 'quality' about him as a player. People saying we're over reacting, I'm more conserned about the business side of the deal, it's shocking. There's little or no positive against this move. Financially, it's awful. Potentially, even worse so. This is a big dent in our transfer kitty and one that we've not had for fucking years. And now we're spunking it on an 'at best' player. Haf, you ALWAYS moan about the boards' "shortcomings"...about how often they think in the 'short term'. This deal, epitomises short term planning. You want the board to think long term and future investments, yet you're happy for hypocrisy in this instance??? Doesn't make sense mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 anyone else concerned about the age of our squad tho, we all know we are not gonna have the money to transform a team when are players start to become to old to play at there best, distin, jags, osman, pienaar, and kone (if we get him) all going to be in there 30's and most probaly in the starting line up thats nearly half the team! I think we need to bring in some younger quality players or may struggle in the future, especiarlly if the likes of duffy, stones, and the prospects we have dont work out. If Duffy are as good as I think they'll be then we won't have as much to worry about in the Middle of Defense. Coleman is young and Baines is in stellar shape. Mostly worried about Pienaar's position age-wise... Areas where we do need younger players: a winger with a strong left foot and a creative central-mid. We can't forget that Martinez has a good track record of integrating youth into the senior team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 Kone and Quality just don't fit well in a sentence. There's no 'quality' about him as a player. People saying we're over reacting, I'm more conserned about the business side of the deal, it's shocking. There's little or no positive against this move. Financially, it's awful. Potentially, even worse so. This is a big dent in our transfer kitty and one that we've not had for fucking years. And now we're spunking it on an 'at best' player. Haf, you ALWAYS moan about the boards' "shortcomings"...about how often they think in the 'short term'. This deal, epitomises short term planning. You want the board to think long term and future investments, yet you're happy for hypocrisy in this instance??? Doesn't make sense mate. Give me a B Give me an O Give me an O Give me an M What's that spell?! Lowensda 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bainaar Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 I'm definitely concerned about the age of our squad, that's why I am so strongly opposed to the idea of us buying Kone at all and the price is another factor. That and it showing a total lack of ambition bringing him to our team as opposed to trying to bring a younger player of real quality who could have a potential sell on value. This is bad business and I'm not overly excited at all we don't look like we are going to strengthen, which we desperately need to with every other club buying better players I feel we could seriously drop into a mid table side if we don't strengthen with quality younger players. I hope he does bring through some of the youth we already have because the age of our squad is a serious problem. We need a younger striker will potential sell on value instead of blowing what little cash we have on a 29 year old who isn't going to get much better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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