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I've displayed my share of criticism but anyone who thinks selling Fellaini is a blemish on Martinez' record hasn't been paying attention. It doesn't matter if we had Martinez or Moyes or Mourinho in charge. Fellaini leaving was a virtual inevitability. All we can grade him on his how the transfer itself was handled. He handled the media with class and did just about everything possible to calm the waters. He did enough to get Fellaini motivated to play games despite the transfer clearly on his mind. And considering Fellaini leaving was probable, we have to consider the fee we received a massive success. Although I give Kenwright bulk of the credit for that. So really I don't think Fellaini is a good evaluator of Martinez either way.

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I've displayed my share of criticism but anyone who thinks selling Fellaini is a blemish on Martinez' record hasn't been paying attention. It doesn't matter if we had Martinez or Moyes or Mourinho in charge. Fellaini leaving was a virtual inevitability. All we can grade him on his how the transfer itself was handled. He handled the media with class and did just about everything possible to calm the waters. He did enough to get Fellaini motivated to play games despite the transfer clearly on his mind. And considering Fellaini leaving was probable, we have to consider the fee we received a massive success. Although I give Kenwright bulk of the credit for that. So really I don't think Fellaini is a good evaluator of Martinez either way.

 

I'm a bit annoyed I credited his posts with a response to be honest - but yes, your fellaini piece was spot on.

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Oh no!!! My credibility on an anonymous forum maybe under threat. Well fuck it why not just post some boring old shit about how well we did in the transfer window although I don't believe it. I don't give a flying fuck on people's opinion of me I have my views I share them if you don't agree happy to debate it. Throw a few personal insults in if you feel the need I love all feedback.

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And for the record I don't think losing felli is RMs fault it is just a negative of the current start. The club lie they specifically stated the McCarthy deal wasn't dependant on felli leaving where is Dave Whelan says differently. If the deals were not dependant why the fuck did we wait until the last minute.

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And for the record I don't think losing felli is RMs fault it is just a negative of the current start. The club lie they specifically stated the McCarthy deal wasn't dependant on felli leaving where is Dave Whelan says differently. If the deals were not dependant why the fuck did we wait until the last minute.

 

We waited because David Moyes thought he could pressure us into giving a better deal. It's a fact that time pressure is one of the strongest negotiation tactics. Ironically, what with his other deals falling through, the pressure ended up on him and we got an excellent price! Honestly, I'm sure we would have much preferred to have sold Fellaini before his buy-out clause expired, because then we could have planned more effectively. In the end, ManU probably wish they'd done that as well.

 

Only time will tell whether selling Fellaini will have a negative impact. For sure, it will have a big impact, and our style of play will be different. But change can be positive or negative, and we don't know enough right now to have the answer.

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And for the record I don't think losing felli is RMs fault it is just a negative of the current start. The club lie they specifically stated the McCarthy deal wasn't dependant on felli leaving where is Dave Whelan says differently. If the deals were not dependant why the fuck did we wait until the last minute.

 

Let's run down your list of claims here.

 

1. Fellaini was rumored to move on as far back as last season. It's almost a wonder that they were able to keep him this long. None of us know 100% of the behind the scenes stuff or what Fellaini was thinking, but logic dictates that, with him hinting at a move for the last year or so, no start to the season was going to prevent the appeal of moving to the most prestigious club in England where his former boss is in charge and where he will realize his long-coveted chance at CL football.

 

2. I don't think you're understanding what was meant when it was said that a move for McCarthy wasn't dependent on Fellaini. Perhaps we could have added McCarthy while Fellaini was staying but Martinez simply didn't feel it was worth the price. And only when Fellaini was gone was the need to fill the void imperative. Nonetheless, this is all irrelevant. Let's say you're right and that it was all bullshit and the only way we could financially fit McCarthy was with a Fellaini departure; how in any way is this Martinez' fault? Since when did he become in charge of providing the cash and setting the budget?

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Oh no!!! My credibility on an anonymous forum maybe under threat. Well fuck it why not just post some boring old shit about how well we did in the transfer window although I don't believe it. I don't give a flying fuck on people's opinion of me I have my views I share them if you don't agree happy to debate it. Throw a few personal insults in if you feel the need I love all feedback.

 

Don't get stroppy - who gets personal?, I think we are trying to see what facts you are basing your "views" on. Because to virtually every fan Evertonian or not - we played an absolute blinder. Here are my views and reasons.

 

Was it worth keeping Fellaini despite a £27.5m bid? IMO that is a resounding NO. His consistency levels are poor and he is not suited to the RM style as much as McCarthy is. McCarthy is a loyal, grounded, highly efficient footballer, who has cost half the price of felli. He wanted to go, he handed in a request, we got good money - get over it.

 

At the 11th hour we pulled it out the bag, 3 players through the door. An excellent effort. The squad is far stronger than it was at the end of last season.

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I have now heard a England international and the new messi say they chose us due to the manager and his methods. Don't ever think I heard any player doing the same under moyes.... End of chat!

In fact I think I remember the real Messi saying a couple of years back that he had received an offer from Everton and was seriously considering joining the club but he thought Moyes was a tosser and because of that he stayed at Barca... See we are much better off now :)

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If your taking bets on that I wouldn't mind having a few quid on it!

 

Oh no, i'm concurring with Dunc... Help!!!

 

Memma what odds will you give us being above bottom 3???

 

Just a little recap on the close season - transfer window - first few games. Moyes versus Martinez...

 

 

Moysie: 1 signing made £4m more than the release clause Felli - but he missed:- Thiago, Coentrao, Fabregas, Baines, Herrera, De Rossi, Khedira... oops!

 

Roberto:- Robles, Alcaraz, Kone, McCarthy, Barry, Lukaku in, Out Fellaini and Vic with a tidy £13m profit.

 

 

Moysies first games:- A flattering win against swansea who have been poor. A negative home draw against Chelsea, and a 1-0 defeat to Liverpool. Questionable team selections and no goals in 2 games... oops!

 

Robertos first games:- 3 games all draws. Dominating but not scoring. Opponents happy to park the bus. Must do better but promising.

 

Handling the pressure:

 

Moyesie:- looks like a rabbit in headlights. Fallen out with rooney. Not playing any creative talent, already facing scrutiny off the fans. Arrogant and stupid press confrences

 

RM:- classy, dealt with underhand tactics by moyes with dignity. Has his ideas and is implementing them. Top start.

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What we will be in the bottom 3 come Christmas? If that is what you think then we are going to be relegated as well and then bankrupt and then drop down the leagues....

 

We are playing well at the moment, the only problem is we can't get a goal in the final third. With Fellaini gone I think that was a clever piece of business by Kenwright. Saved us money by telling Fellaini the only way he was going is by handing a transfer request. (4 million). As Fellaini handed in a transfer request the deal was 23.5 million as it triggered his release clause supposedly but they saved 4 million from not paying him loyalties.

 

I agree the problem at the moment is that there is no urgency in the play but that is down to a number of players, Osman in particular. In my opinion great business in the transfer window -

 

Lukaku - runs the channels, right place, right time. Great signing.

Barry - England international - I spoke to a City fan who said Barry is a good player and is in the right place at the right time and will do well for Everton.

McCarthy - Good player, is he worth 13million? Only time will tell..

 

I didn't watch the Cardiff game but in the Norwich game we had 19 shots, WBA - 22 shots. Okay only something like six on target but still that is quite good going. With the likes of Lukaku hopefully we can convert those on targets to goals.

 

Do you remember Brendan Rodgers first season in charge at Liverpool, lost 3 - 0 to WBA, Drew - City, Lost - Arsenal, Lost United. It takes time to adapt to a new style of football. Before Brendan Rodgers Liverpool were playing long ball football and Dalglish tried to get them used to passing it (possession football) but it didn't work. Rodgers came in and again takes a while for the team to adapt. We have played well in the first 3 games the only fault is that there isn't much tempo to it but that will come....

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We did superbly in the transfer window.

 

Mucha OUT Joel IN

Neville OUT Alcaraz IN

Anichebe OUT Kone IN

Hitzlsperger OUT Barry IN (Albeit a loan, but he's on a free, and if he plays well, I can easily see him getting a contract)

Fellaini OUT McCarthy IN

Lukaku IN (Loan)

Delofeu IN (Loan)

 

Add the fact that Martinez is actually playing our most promising talent and Stones and Oviedo actually look like getting games, I can't understand any argument to say that we're not on track. Every single player above is an improvement. You could argue Fellaini but honestly, I don't care. He had 5 years here, and now we've got someone younger to build up while selling a player we had already improved for a £10mil profit. That and we're still unbeaten ffs :dry:

Amen Brother!

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I don't want this to be a "Your not giving him a chance thread" so I honestly believe we will be poor next season a bit like a villa last year. But Martinez won't last the bad spell. I think because of the indifference towards the appointment ppl will be on his back very quick. If the total of his transfer dealings is Kone Alcaraz and even Redmond Then everyone will be there saying I told you so. I want him to prove me wrong a get us sixth but the stats don't lie and her relegated a team that Steve Bruce kept up. I am very nervous about next season and the quality of the players we are most linked with are average to poor

 

If we actually captured Redmond I would have been happy. He looks a decent player and looked good for Birmingham as well. I reckon in a few years he will be at a top club.

 

Villa last year, exactly, last YEAR. Takes time to adapt to a new system and THIS year I think that Villa will be a top 10 team. It takes time to adapt to a new system, Lambert is a good manager and the transfers he has made are good signings

I like the way we have been playing in the first few games, okay we haven't won a game in 360 minutes of football but the signs are there and the signings we have made will improve the team and get us goals. Stop being so negative!!

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Lot of folk were predicting cricket scores against us simply because Martinez walked into the building - it's at the other end where we have faltered so far. Good players make good tactics and we have plenty of good ones. I am very encouraged by what I have seen and who we have brought in. Let's see where we are in ten games.

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Makes me chuckle when I see this thread pop up in the "view new content" - i'm expecting Memmaclub to come out with a Russell Grant prediction that we will end bottom of the league because we signed another player who was relegated (despite signing Barry who was a ppremiership winner)

 

Ironically "Martinez won't last the season" should really be replaced with "Moyes won't last till Christmas"....

 

anyway...

 

This game against Chelsea should see us go toe to toe with a team rather than trying to score against 8 defenders. It's time for the likes of me and a few others to be brave and take some potential stick for the "I don't mind losing 5-2 as long as we have a go"

 

I'm happy to stick with that, the mentality of the team needs changing - Rome wasn't built in a day, but I forsee an entertaining game on Saturday.

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haha, we've beaten them 3 times in our last 4 home league games!

 

We've not beaten them away from home since 1994.

 

Moyes record against the top 4 might not have always been great and we struggled away from home against those teams but can't knock that home record against Chelsea. Or the 4 wins in 4 seasons at home to Man City.

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haha, we've beaten them 3 times in our last 4 home league games!

 

We've not beaten them away from home since 1994.

 

Moyes record against the top 4 might not have always been great and we struggled away from home against those teams but can't knock that home record against Chelsea. Or the 4 wins in 4 seasons at home to Man City.

 

Excluding Man City, Moyes total 11 year prem record against the top 4/key clashes is shocking... out of 22 fixtures per team here are the stats... Including City does distort the numbers somewhat as they were considered a mid/lower team until the sheikhs buyout in 2008 when they went through a big transition to top 4.

 

Arsenal:- W3 D5 L14

Man United: W3 D5 L14

Chelsea: W3 D8 L11

Liverpool: W3 D6 L12

 

A win rate of 13.6%.... a loss rate of 58%....

 

after witnessing his two games for United against Chelsea and Liverpool I do not think it was player related, more the fact that he has absolutely no bottle or nous as to how to beat the more elite teams

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I think United have taken more points of us than any other team in SKy era. Other than City the others mentioned have largely feasted un us but in fairness we have gone down to some quality goals from richly talented individuals like Drogba, Henry, Torres pre transfer and Van Persie. I am sorry to say it but our record at Anfield under the Wizzard was pitiful.

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I think United have taken more points of us than any other team in SKy era. Other than City the others mentioned have largely feasted un us but in fairness we have gone down to some quality goals from richly talented individuals like Drogba, Henry, Torres pre transfer and Van Persie. I am sorry to say it but our record at Anfield under the Wizzard was pitiful.

 

 

His comments since joining Man United regarding his approach to to the Man United game and Liverpool game have been a disgrace:-

 

'Oh no, we're going to Manchester United'. I want it to continue that way. I remember going there as a manager. You want to get out of Old Trafford alive, that used to be our saying, you know,"

 

 

Moyes believes victory at Anfield is finally within his grasp.

“I’m going there with a different situation now,” said Moyes. “I’m going with the champions to Anfield now, so it’s a different situation from where I was before.

“I’m going there certainly with a different group of players.

“I always went to Anfield confident, but I always knew they had a good team.

“It [his failure to win at Anfield] was down to the fact Liverpool had really good teams with people like Xabi Alonso, Javier Mascherano, Fernando Torres at his pomp and Steven Gerrard.

“They had really good teams at that time and were one of the teams that went on to win the European Cup.

“That’s why it was very difficult to win regular games at Anfield - because of the quality of the side they had.

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That is very disappointing to hear. Hopefully the Martinez plan for this season's trip to Anfiled is to have a go at winning.

 

I made the point earlier in the week but it bares repeating. Moyes always talked a lot about what we didn't have. Accentuating the positive seems to be a strong point with RM - which I find refreshing

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To be fair, those comments are really bad. It's like there was always an 'excuse' for reasons, not to approach a game in a certain way.

 

I hope, with whatever resources the Everton manager had, that he'd always want to win and always have the attitude that it shouldn't matter what their 'status' is and that they're just 11 men vs 11 men.

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To be fair, those comments are really bad. It's like there was always an 'excuse' for reasons, not to approach a game in a certain way.

 

I hope, with whatever resources the Everton manager had, that he'd always want to win and always have the attitude that it shouldn't matter what their 'status' is and that they're just 11 men vs 11 men.

 

To me those comments answer all the questions asked of Moyes inability to set his teams up to have a real go at the so called 'super teams'. Is it any coincidence that we appeared to lack the belief to beat these teams when it really did matter?

 

Why was it we could beat city??? Mindset, they say "belief creates reality" - the team believed they could beat city because they did it with once a great performance - after that the belief was there. If it wasn't for Rodger Bannister the 4 minutes mile would have been some mythical unrealistic target - how many times must he have heard "it can't be done" - as soon as he did it it was beaten by many - the belief was there.

 

Back to Moyes... how did he expect to beat united and Liverpool at their gaffs when he was coming out with that negative "can't be done" attitude. It seeps through to the players and is seen by the fans in the way the team just had no belief nor bottle.

 

He even managed to get his crappy sandbagging soundbites to affect the mindset of his sheeple "look at how much Liverpool have spent, blah blah blah, I'd take a draw now" - he turned Everton fans into pessimists - content to ignore the results against top 4 in order to take solitude from a 2-0 win against Fulham. Good job he never managed us against Bayern Munich in 85, Man United in 95 eh...

 

I don't dispute for one second that Moyes is one of the most hard working, analytical managers out there. The problem is when you analyse "what threat the other team pose" so much you become beaten before you begin. Focus on "How is Hibbert going to stop Ronaldo" rather than "They have John O'shea playing at the back" and you will be 90% of your way in setting up a completely defensive team that will at one stage leak a goal or 2. Oops - need to score now.... "oh well we lost 2-0, came away alive ish I suppose"

 

Apologies if I harp on about the same old, I've got 11 years of anger (ok subtract the years where we went through a rebuild) to get out, this is therapy, but for the sake of my sanity, if anyone tries to defend that mans approach which seen the anfield mob chant "10 more years" - then just think back to that night at Anfield, if that ain't enough just ask a random Red about what they thought of our second half surrender at Wembley in the FA Cup semi final...

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To me those comments answer all the questions asked of Moyes inability to set his teams up to have a real go at the so called 'super teams'. Is it any coincidence that we appeared to lack the belief to beat these teams when it really did matter?

 

Why was it we could beat city??? Mindset, they say "belief creates reality" - the team believed they could beat city because they did it with once a great performance - after that the belief was there. If it wasn't for Rodger Bannister the 4 minutes mile would have been some mythical unrealistic target - how many times must he have heard "it can't be done" - as soon as he did it it was beaten by many - the belief was there.

 

Back to Moyes... how did he expect to beat united and Liverpool at their gaffs when he was coming out with that negative "can't be done" attitude. It seeps through to the players and is seen by the fans in the way the team just had no belief nor bottle.

 

He even managed to get his crappy sandbagging soundbites to affect the mindset of his sheeple "look at how much Liverpool have spent, blah blah blah, I'd take a draw now" - he turned Everton fans into pessimists - content to ignore the results against top 4 in order to take solitude from a 2-0 win against Fulham. Good job he never managed us against Bayern Munich in 85, Man United in 95 eh...

 

I don't dispute for one second that Moyes is one of the most hard working, analytical managers out there. The problem is when you analyse "what threat the other team pose" so much you become beaten before you begin. Focus on "How is Hibbert going to stop Ronaldo" rather than "They have John O'shea playing at the back" and you will be 90% of your way in setting up a completely defensive team that will at one stage leak a goal or 2. Oops - need to score now.... "oh well we lost 2-0, came away alive ish I suppose"

 

Apologies if I harp on about the same old, I've got 11 years of anger (ok subtract the years where we went through a rebuild) to get out, this is therapy, but for the sake of my sanity, if anyone tries to defend that mans approach which seen the anfield mob chant "10 more years" - then just think back to that night at Anfield, if that ain't enough just ask a random Red about what they thought of our second half surrender at Wembley in the FA Cup semi final...

 

Not far off where I stand on Moyes thiis. All the " Liverpool have spent this and that " after a defeat rang hollow very quickly with me. I don't miss him and I think given time with this new boss we will come back stronger and far more watchable which is important to me.

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To me those comments answer all the questions asked of Moyes inability to set his teams up to have a real go at the so called 'super teams'. Is it any coincidence that we appeared to lack the belief to beat these teams when it really did matter?

 

Why was it we could beat city??? Mindset, they say "belief creates reality" - the team believed they could beat city because they did it with once a great performance - after that the belief was there. If it wasn't for Rodger Bannister the 4 minutes mile would have been some mythical unrealistic target - how many times must he have heard "it can't be done" - as soon as he did it it was beaten by many - the belief was there.

 

Back to Moyes... how did he expect to beat united and Liverpool at their gaffs when he was coming out with that negative "can't be done" attitude. It seeps through to the players and is seen by the fans in the way the team just had no belief nor bottle.

 

He even managed to get his crappy sandbagging soundbites to affect the mindset of his sheeple "look at how much Liverpool have spent, blah blah blah, I'd take a draw now" - he turned Everton fans into pessimists - content to ignore the results against top 4 in order to take solitude from a 2-0 win against Fulham. Good job he never managed us against Bayern Munich in 85, Man United in 95 eh...

 

I don't dispute for one second that Moyes is one of the most hard working, analytical managers out there. The problem is when you analyse "what threat the other team pose" so much you become beaten before you begin. Focus on "How is Hibbert going to stop Ronaldo" rather than "They have John O'shea playing at the back" and you will be 90% of your way in setting up a completely defensive team that will at one stage leak a goal or 2. Oops - need to score now.... "oh well we lost 2-0, came away alive ish I suppose"

 

Apologies if I harp on about the same old, I've got 11 years of anger (ok subtract the years where we went through a rebuild) to get out, this is therapy, but for the sake of my sanity, if anyone tries to defend that mans approach which seen the anfield mob chant "10 more years" - then just think back to that night at Anfield, if that ain't enough just ask a random Red about what they thought of our second half surrender at Wembley in the FA Cup semi final...

Jesus, if your that pissed at the last 10 years then you must have been suicidal in the 5-6 years before that!! :lol:

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He must have been making a noose out of an angry rattlesnake at half time in the last day Wimbledon game.

 

It's true that Moyes deserves castigation for the inability to win away at the venues we are all aware of, or even his irritating defensive policies, but for the last time, in the bigger picture, we thank him for making the club recognized again and doing an outstanding job for the most part in the league at least, with little to work with or lack of money at his disposal.

 

Sometimes a great manager, sometimes a frustrating manager, sometimes a bemusing manager, sometimes worthy of plaudits, sometimes worthy of outright condemnation. It was all those things, but at least now, he has taken it with him to another club.

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At the time of relegation last day survival etc - we all knew were we where. Every evertonian was singing from the same hymn sheet and we stood together and willed the team through.

 

Moyes did come in and reinvigorated the club. After it had been reinvigorated he pretty much stagnated, same tactics, same approach and a back room staff that shared his mentality.

 

I actually made the point that he needed synergy - a number 2 that would "challenge" him. The polar opposite approach - a tactician with a bit of gung ho. Nah.... There is only one boss in the alpha Moyes camp. Amazingly the fool took round with him and rene meulensteen left.... There's always Pip though

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The only thing I can honestly say I miss moyes for is he did build a small fortress against the mid table to lower opposition. These always felt like easily winnable games before kick off. Now I'm not quite so sure. I'm not a mad moyes fan anymore, but he really did turn the club I love, right around.

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I have liked the style of football under Martinez I like the cut of his jib I don't give a fuck about moyes he is proving himself a prize twat.

 

I openedthis thread realistically because I felt RM could ruin it defensively but the irony it's the other end we are failing. Lukaku could be a bonus in that area. Things that annoy me about RM are buying Kone.

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I still don't think we are defensively sound though. In the 0-0 games they could have easily snatched a win, even though wr dominated and should have won. The concerning thing is these arnt half chances that every team get in a game, these are clear cut chances, through on goal, where they've just ballsed up. Am being really picky here but just think the likes of Chelsea today will put those chances away.

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To me those comments answer all the questions asked of Moyes inability to set his teams up to have a real go at the so called 'super teams'. Is it any coincidence that we appeared to lack the belief to beat these teams when it really did matter?

 

Why was it we could beat city??? Mindset, they say "belief creates reality" - the team believed they could beat city because they did it with once a great performance - after that the belief was there. If it wasn't for Rodger Bannister the 4 minutes mile would have been some mythical unrealistic target - how many times must he have heard "it can't be done" - as soon as he did it it was beaten by many - the belief was there.

 

Back to Moyes... how did he expect to beat united and Liverpool at their gaffs when he was coming out with that negative "can't be done" attitude. It seeps through to the players and is seen by the fans in the way the team just had no belief nor bottle.

 

He even managed to get his crappy sandbagging soundbites to affect the mindset of his sheeple "look at how much Liverpool have spent, blah blah blah, I'd take a draw now" - he turned Everton fans into pessimists - content to ignore the results against top 4 in order to take solitude from a 2-0 win against Fulham. Good job he never managed us against Bayern Munich in 85, Man United in 95 eh...

 

I don't dispute for one second that Moyes is one of the most hard working, analytical managers out there. The problem is when you analyse "what threat the other team pose" so much you become beaten before you begin. Focus on "How is Hibbert going to stop Ronaldo" rather than "They have John O'shea playing at the back" and you will be 90% of your way in setting up a completely defensive team that will at one stage leak a goal or 2. Oops - need to score now.... "oh well we lost 2-0, came away alive ish I suppose"

 

Apologies if I harp on about the same old, I've got 11 years of anger (ok subtract the years where we went through a rebuild) to get out, this is therapy, but for the sake of my sanity, if anyone tries to defend that mans approach which seen the anfield mob chant "10 more years" - then just think back to that night at Anfield, if that ain't enough just ask a random Red about what they thought of our second half surrender at Wembley in the FA Cup semi final...

 

Lol You really do symbolise the bitter in the term bitter blue

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I'd hate to have seen how angry Haf was when we geniunely were shite!!

 

11 years of anger! We're you happy before then when we had gascoigne/ginola et al?!

See above point...

 

When we were shite there was no disputing it, no anger - just concern and a feeling of we're in this together.

 

Under Moyes over the last 6-7 years I have felt like a wife getting taken on holiday to Blackpool every year by a husband with £50k in the bank. The sad reality many fans felt that this holiday was better than getting the house repossessed so tolerated the negativity.

 

I'm not for one second saying that kenwright has supported Moyes, the boards ambition and ability is something I'm known for despising. However based on the players that Moyes frugally assembled we should have played far better football.

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See above point...

 

When we were shite there was no disputing it, no anger - just concern and a feeling of we're in this together.

 

Under Moyes over the last 6-7 years I have felt like a wife getting taken on holiday to Blackpool every year by a husband with £50k in the bank. The sad reality many fans felt that this holiday was better than getting the house repossessed so tolerated the negativity.

 

I'm not for one second saying that kenwright has supported Moyes, the boards ambition and ability is something I'm known for despising. However based on the players that Moyes frugally assembled we should have played far better football.

Yeah fair point that Haf I guess.

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See above point...

 

When we were shite there was no disputing it, no anger - just concern and a feeling of we're in this together.

 

Under Moyes over the last 6-7 years I have felt like a wife getting taken on holiday to Blackpool every year by a husband with £50k in the bank. The sad reality many fans felt that this holiday was better than getting the house repossessed so tolerated the negativity.

 

I'm not for one second saying that kenwright has supported Moyes, the boards ambition and ability is something I'm known for despising. However based on the players that Moyes frugally assembled we should have played far better football.

 

I think that is kind of the point that some people dont understand. Moyes clearly isnt a bad manager and we played some fantastic football under his guidance. We know he can set teams up to win games with confidence but for some reason we only saw that for 25% of the season, normally when our backs were against the wall. How many starts to the season did we need to fuck up before we got back to what we could do well? How many times did we need to see the constant lumping it forward to Jelly, Saha and Yakubu before we realised that we needed to try and play with the ball on floor? How many times did we need to see Fellaini marked out of games and play clumsily before we moved him deeper to really influence the game?

 

Moyes will do well at Utd because if he could get 60+ points out of us then he can get 75+ points out of Utd but when them big games come and them season defining moments he will bottle it.

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Moyes will do well at Utd because if he could get 60+ points out of us then he can get 75+ points out of Utd but when them big games come and them season defining moments he will bottle it.

 

He already has: draw at home to Chelsea and loss away to Liverpool. Next week's derby game could define his season.

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Moyes could have been manager of the Hungarian side of the 1950s or Netherlands of the 1970s and take them on a modern day trip to Anfield or Stamford Bridge, and still come away empty handed. Not to keep on with the Scot, as this thread piece is essentially about his replacement, and in saying that, the initial thread title still seems as ridiculous tonight, as it did, when it was first inaugurated a few short weeks ago.

 

Not suggested just because the club had a standout result today and beat one of the heavyweights and also picked up one or two decent results before this such as the draw at Norwich City that we will go on and have a champions league qualifying season or great things, but there has been signs at times that you realize we really could do something this season. If we can overcome the Fulham hoodoo in the next round of the League Cup, we could go a long way in that, and with Martinez' extra attacking intent, could go a fair distance again in the FA cup next year, and if reaching the latter stages again, could overcome an opposition side, instead of just freezing on the big occasion and everything turns to shit, as it so often did before, and after nearly two decades, finally bring in that much elusive trophy, so there's reasons there to be hopeful.

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Mr D Kane.

 

Loved the point you made about Moyes and how he could,nt win at the big grounds. Very funny and spot on. He was a negative git on times.

Every time we went to those grounds under Moyes we knew what would happen, the only exception the Incredible 4-4. But if that game had of been played in

 

say August or December he would have gone for a 0-0. The infamous Anfield 3-0 surrender in my opion the most shameful.

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Mr D Kane.

 

Loved the point you made about Moyes and how he could,nt win at the big grounds. Very funny and spot on. He was a negative git on times.

Every time we went to those grounds under Moyes we knew what would happen, the only exception the Incredible 4-4. But if that game had of been played in

 

say August or December he would have gone for a 0-0. The infamous Anfield 3-0 surrender in my opion the most shameful.

He bottled that game as well, we got to 4-4 had the momentum for a 5th and Moyes was screeching on the touchline to hold on. Should have been sacked in the tunnel after that game.

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We must consider that under martinez, when he does go to these away games against the top four, he will have Everton football club on the pitch not Wigan. That in itself gathers more respect from the opposition before a ball is kicked. Then take into account the massive support unlike a Wigan which will fall onto the pitch and get into the players. Thirdly, a far stronger squad to choose from and last but not least, a manager who will go into these games to win them at best...... That's why I prefer RM over DM.

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