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Bill has had some fearsome abuse off a lot of Evertonians, but credit where it is due his performance in the transfer

window has been great, 3 excellent signings ( well 2 and 1 we,ll see about in Barry,s case and we squeezed top money

out of United and treated them with the contempt they richly deserve. And if the story of him refusing to take calls

off Moyes directly has any weight, then I congratulate him.

 

Plus as in when some folk griped about the choice of Martinez, and I wondered who else was there, the same applies with

Kenwright until some yet unknown buyer comes in, I again ask who else is there ?.

 

One incident that said it all was after the Wigan F.A Cup shambles, we beat Man City in the next game with a performance

of pride and passion. Bill was in tears and even the most biased could not say it was for the camera.

Fact is Bill Kenwright loves Everton Football Club with all his heart and I empathise and respect that totally.

 

Also even at bad times he always walks down Goodison road before a home game flak or not. He also has integrity and

respect in his dealings with other clubs and in return is respected by those other clubs.

So unless some billionaire comes in Bill Kenwright is our chairman like it or lump it. I personally think he does his

best for us.

 

My only quibble is how the fuck that awful crest got rubber stamped, but an apology was issued with candour

and the mistake will be learned from.. Bill you are ok by me. the opinion of your critics will never change.

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Wowsers dunc I must have missed the full interview, I'm pretty certain I read a response to the early sacking of di canio of which Martinez has stated that a chairman needs to not make knee jerk decision and rapid cash injections don't necessarily make a club "better"....

 

If you have Martinez full appraisal of bills tenure in which he has made some monumental fuck ups then I'm all ears. Maybe the bits that include the reasons as to why we are so poorly self funded in the first place aka missed investments and ridiculous mortgages taken out on purchases made against missed investments.

 

But hey! Let's not get balanced on this eh!

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Wowsers dunc I must have missed the full interview, I'm pretty certain I read a response to the early sacking of di canio of which Martinez has stated that a chairman needs to not make knee jerk decision and rapid cash injections don't necessarily make a club "better"....

 

If you have Martinez full appraisal of bills tenure in which he has made some monumental fuck ups then I'm all ears. Maybe the bits that include the reasons as to why we are so poorly self funded in the first place aka missed investments and ridiculous mortgages taken out on purchases made against missed investments.

 

But hey! Let's not get balanced on this eh!

 

 

Ha ha when have you ever given a balanced view of anything to do with BK or David Moyes?

 

Before Martinez came along you constantly moaned about everything to do with Everton Football Club and have BK down as some kind of bungling parasite and Moyse as a second rate tactically inept Manager

 

If Martinez is so wonderful and never ever wrong in your eyes, which seems to be the case, then I would have thought him praising BK and Moyes would conflict with your opinions of them

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Ahhh you see that's where it's quite easy to pick holes in your points dunc, I don't subscribe to everything "blue" like you. I evaluate individually and give an overall opinion. When have I not been balanced with kenwright and Moyes? Typical you, you read the conclusion as the debate. The debate includes salient points such as kenwrights manager recruits have been very good, Moyes is a great consolidator and fixer...

 

Nah forget that it's haf, he wears blinkers - or at least it's best to discredit his valid points by stating such.

 

Tell me where has my evaluation of Moyes and kenwright been incorrect in terms of factual points? Points that I used to get an overall opinion of "I'm not fussed at all"

 

It seems to me you look for one small thing in order for me to say "yeah let's forget the investment fuck ups and stadium failures, Bob says he's good so that's that then. Now I've said bob is great I thereby waive my rights to a mind of my own and sign away any option of criticising him whilst being able to generally think he's the best thing to happen to our club"

 

Like debating with a 10 year old

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Ahhh you see that's where it's quite easy to pick holes in your points dunc, I don't subscribe to everything "blue" like you. I evaluate individually and give an overall opinion. When have I not been balanced with kenwright and Moyes? Typical you, you read the conclusion as the debate. The debate includes salient points such as kenwrights manager recruits have been very good, Moyes is a great consolidator and fixer...

 

Nah forget that it's haf, he wears blinkers - or at least it's best to discredit his valid points by stating such.

 

Tell me where has my evaluation of Moyes and kenwright been incorrect in terms of factual points? Points that I used to get an overall opinion of "I'm not fussed at all"

 

It seems to me you look for one small thing in order for me to say "yeah let's forget the investment fuck ups and stadium failures, Bob says he's good so that's that then. Now I've said bob is great I thereby waive my rights to a mind of my own and sign away any option of criticising him whilst being able to generally think he's the best thing to happen to our club"

 

Like debating with a 10 year old

Haf, you barely acknowledge any positives for Moyes, BK or the board. When you do, theyre mentioned once in a random thread then go on with the broken record "yeah let's forget the investment fuck ups and stadium failures" etc. in all the others. There are a lot of times I agree with you, more and more so recently, but I wouldnt say you put forward balanced arguments. Well thought out the vast majority of the time, but not often balanced.

 

This is one of the reasons Im so surprised / unnerved at your 180° turn around! This post reminds me of Haf pre-RM :lol:

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Ahhh you see that's where it's quite easy to pick holes in your points dunc, I don't subscribe to everything "blue" like you. I evaluate individually and give an overall opinion. When have I not been balanced with kenwright and Moyes? Typical you, you read the conclusion as the debate. The debate includes salient points such as kenwrights manager recruits have been very good, Moyes is a great consolidator and fixer...

 

Nah forget that it's haf, he wears blinkers - or at least it's best to discredit his valid points by stating such.

 

Tell me where has my evaluation of Moyes and kenwright been incorrect in terms of factual points? Points that I used to get an overall opinion of "I'm not fussed at all"

 

It seems to me you look for one small thing in order for me to say "yeah let's forget the investment fuck ups and stadium failures, Bob says he's good so that's that then. Now I've said bob is great I thereby waive my rights to a mind of my own and sign away any option of criticising him whilst being able to generally think he's the best thing to happen to our club"

 

Like debating with a 10 year old

 

 

Without wanting to dredge up all the BK stuff again, the answer to your first point is constantly for more than 12 months now

 

With regards to your second question, is it fact that BK is a liar or is that just your opinion? Is it fact Moyes is tactically inept or is that just your opinion?

 

Also for your information I dont "subscribe to everything blue"

 

Tp recap my stance on BK is that he is out of his depth and he has been guilty of overseeing some monumental fuck ups during his tenure, but I dont think he is a liar and I beleive he has always acted in what he beleives are the clubs best interests. I also think we have a lot to be grateful to him for

 

On Moyse, my stance is that he did a very good job at Everton and I would also dispute another of your "facts" in that I think we played some excellent football under him and were not just a "hoofball" side. He has given Martinez an excellent platform to build on, but he is now Man Utds manager so I couldnt care less about him.

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So my points to answer are have I given BK and the board credit??? Yes is the answer, the only real part is their manager recruitment. Anything else, investment, stadia, commercial deals, absolute joke. As for the lies - just take a few samples off bill:- Goodison will fail its safety certificate, money in the bank tomorrow, won't sell Rooney for £50m,

 

I have given Moyes credit for rescuing the club from relegation. I gave him credit for consolidating the squad and steadying the ship. Past that he was going no where, he couldn't evolve his tactics, I stated on numerous occasions that if he could evolve he could be a great manager - he just can't and he won't.

 

Have we played good football under Moyes? Yes, have we played good football consistently under Moyes? No. There were games when the team played great stuff never to be seen for a good number of games later. I'm sure there were times when stoke played good stuff under pulis.

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As I've said , I cant be arsed going into the whole Kenwright saga again but if you honestly think that the only things he has done right as Chairman is to appoint Moyse and Martinez then there isn't really any point in talking to you

I'm all ears because lets be honest commercially, investment wise, stadium wise he's fucked things up. So unless there is any other criteria you can salvage his reputation with feel free. Crying in front of cameras, beating his chest and all that stuff isn't admissible I'm afraid.

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I'm all ears because lets be honest commercially, investment wise, stadium wise he's fucked things up. So unless there is any other criteria you can salvage his reputation with feel free. Crying in front of cameras, beating his chest and all that stuff isn't admissible I'm afraid.

 

 

Again, I cant be arsed.

 

We have been here a million times so no point doing it all again. If you don't think the club is any better off now than under Johnson then that's up to you, personally , as memorable and as exciting as those relegation battles were I don't ever want to do it again

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Again, I cant be arsed.

 

We have been here a million times so no point doing it all again. If you don't think the club is any better off now than under Johnson then that's up to you, personally , as memorable and as exciting as those relegation battles were I don't ever want to do it again

So therefore a credit to bill is that he's not as bad as Peter Johnson in your opinion?

 

Well if not being quite as unbelievably shit as someone else is what you are crediting him with then my work is done. Then again there are arguments to say that under Johnson kenwright was complicit, and also arguments that the club was in a better financial state under Johnson.

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Haf, how come you're not debating the wonders of Martinez today, and his tactical genius? ;)

Did you not see my post last night? I held Martinez accountable for not subbing Gibson sooner... First 11 not a problem. Tactics not a problem. We were by far the best side for the majority of the match and with better finishing and a bit of luck would have been clear winners.

 

Maybe you've mistook me for being a t shirt slogan wearing fan "I support David Moyes f.c" or "when bill cries, I cry". As we all know Av, that sort of stuff just leads to heart break and a feeling of betrayal when they prove they ain't perfect.

 

As it happens me just supporting Everton F.C enables me to view managers, chairmanship, and players as just custodians. Therefore my opinion is objective and I don't need to fear the "oh no, Bobby's dropped a clanger, what will them boys on toffeetalk say?!" - he will get a grumble off me as and when he deserves it.

 

Up to now, the man has displayed more balls, tactical versatility and class than I have seen from you ex beloved £70k a week sandbagger in the past 6 years.

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So therefore a credit to bill is that he's not as bad as Peter Johnson in your opinion?

 

Well if not being quite as unbelievably shit as someone else is what you are crediting him with then my work is done. Then again there are arguments to say that under Johnson kenwright was complicit, and also arguments that the club was in a better financial state under Johnson.

 

 

No Haf I am saying Everton Football Club is in a much better state now than it was back then and somebody has to be responsible for that wouldn't you say?

 

I really don't want to go around the houses with all this again , you will reply with all the same old Buffoon Union sound bites, yes I know your not one of them, about failed take over bids asset stripping etc I will ask the same question about whether you would you rather we still had those assets and not invested in the squad, you will ignore it and so we begin again

 

So in your mind if BK and the Board had no part in that. Does that mean Moyse did it all by himself? If that is the case then we should be building statues of the fella and it would make it all the more baffling why you are so bitter towards him?

 

 

Mind you on the other hand it does look good on Martinez that he was single handily responsible for squeezing £27.5M out of United for Felli and keeping Baines

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I actually think kenwright will struggle to get an easy ride from Martinez. Money isn't his master, he seems 100% focussed on achieving footballing principles. I think he ia very single minded.

 

As much as he portrays a softly spoken mild mannered Spaniard, you can just see he takes no shit and does not suffer fools. I've worked with some seriously affable easy going people who when they are asked to compromise quality and standards within a work place scenario become very very serious and shock people.

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Yeah...lets start a career by slating the chairman. I think Martinez has more class about him than to speak ill of someone in the press - he didn't even do it to Moyes when provoked.

 

By the way Moyes wasn't spineless, he just had no integrity.

 

He used lack of investment as a means of negotiating a new contract, £70k a week shut him up.

 

Martinez would just be off when he feels the club will not back him if he has put them in a position to make the next step.

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Just seems a bit of a dilema for you thats all, because one of two things is happening here, either

 

 

1) BK is nowhere near as bad as you make him out to be

 

or

 

2) Martinez is being two faced and also has no integrityr and will say anything to please the boss

 

Personally I think Roberto is a good guy who knows what he is talking about

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Just seems a bit of a dilema for you thats all, because one of two things is happening here, either

 

 

1) BK is nowhere near as bad as you make him out to be

 

or

 

2) Martinez is being two faced and also has no integrityr and will say anything to please the boss

 

Personally I think Roberto is a good guy who knows what he is talking about

BK has made his best decision as chairman bringing in Martinez, I wanted him in a good while ago.

 

I don't let things go easily Dunc, just in case you never noticed.... Did I mention kings dock and the .... Ahhhh

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Also maybe credit BK that he himself has evolved and changed for the better. His earlier mishaps and letting Rooney go for so little might have helped him to learn how to properly do things. And now the last transfer market was a success, and he brought in Roberto. Also he's staying out of the limelight and letting the team and gaffer take the credit.

 

Maybe bill has become a better man and owner.

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I remember the day well - brilliant atmosphere and a great win (I remember there being a bit of turmoil in the Sunderland camp with some of their players enjoying the festive period a bit too much!)

 

A repeat today would be perfect - COYB!!!

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I remember the day well - brilliant atmosphere and a great win (I remember there being a bit of turmoil in the Sunderland camp with some of their players enjoying the festive period a bit too much!)

 

A repeat today would be perfect - COYB!!!

 

 

Yeah me too, I had a couple of my Navy mates whe were Mackems come down to stay at mine and watch the game so it was even more enjoyable for me!

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2535468/Roberto-Martinez-insists-Everton-not-losing-clubs-performers-transfer-window.html

 

Another good piece of PR by the club, they certainly seem ti have taken it onboard when they were getting criticised for not communicating with the supporters enough

 

Appointing Alan Myers has been a masterstroke by BK and the board

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We should always have had a blue in that role. Appointing Tyrell and the complete dick head before him were disastrous. Myers has been brilliant and long may it continue.

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It has certainly been much better this season Dunc. I think Martinez coming in has probably made the little things like this easier because he is so personable and comfortable in the public eye. It really is good to see.

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Being new to Toffeetalk one of the things that surprised me was reading some elements of criticism directed at Bill Kenwright. I mentioned in my introduction post that I also supported Leeds United. Leeds had Ken Bates to put up with, now that is something to grumble about.

I don't know the in's and out's of Kenwrights tenure but it seems to me that Everton were, for several seasons 'punching above their weight' and hanging in there. Now, they have one of the best teams in the Premiership. Some of this must surely be down to the stewardship of Bill Kenwright? It would be nice to have a multi-billionaire to come in and compete with the Man Cities and Chelsea's of this world, but be careful what you wish for, just look at this guy Tan at Cardiff. Would we want to play in red!

Maybe I am missing something?

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Haf, serious question mate, but did you try to mind BK's car as a little lad?

 

I was just wondering, as I am not sure he would still be driving if you had. :rofl::rofl::rofl:

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Haf, serious question mate, but did you try to mind BK's car as a little lad?

 

I was just wondering, as I am not sure he would still be driving if you had. :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Ha ha, he didn't drive a car he flew in on a pig!

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TBF it's not charity if you brag about it.

 

How will the word spread that "Everton are a special club, Goodison a special place and Evertonians special people" unless someone actually makes the statement.

 

I didn't know some of those things were going on, I'm proud of what Everton are doing, I'm glad our chairman is telling people.

 

If West Ham's chairman released details about what their club do for the community, what would be the problem with that?

 

I think it's what the chairman of a 'special' club should do.

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I've got nothing against it. TBH Blue Bill has wound me up over the past few years but really, if he had any cash would anyone be complaining about him?

 

I've got dirty kopite mates who have praised our community and charity work in the past few weeks, the kids at Goodison and the pic of Bobby leading the old dear out of her house for the Everton street party were 2 that got everyone talking.

 

I'm proud of our club, Bill is proud of our club and after listening to The Everton Podcast with Martinez the other week I have a new found respect for Mr Kenwright. There has to be something about him that successive managers keep praising!

 

Shout it from the rooftops, we are Everton FC and we are cut from a different cloth than the majority of Premier League teams these days.

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This is my first post, and the first time I've been a member of any Everton forum.

 

I'd like to ask a question, which may have been asked elsewhere, so I'm sorry if I've repeated myself.

 

Why have Everton not been bought by some Billionaire? Surely we are big enough to be bought by someone. What's holding people back? We could be so great with an injection of a lot of money.

 

Tired of being in the shadow of the other club across Stanley Park.

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This is my first post, and the first time I've been a member of any Everton forum.

 

I'd like to ask a question, which may have been asked elsewhere, so I'm sorry if I've repeated myself.

 

Why have Everton not been bought by some Billionaire? Surely we are big enough to be bought by someone. What's holding people back? We could be so great with an injection of a lot of money.

 

Tired of being in the shadow of the other club across Stanley Park.

Not in their shadow, they are the junior creation of our history... They wish they had our authenticity, you can't buy that.

 

We may get sold and buy big players etc but we will never lose our identity like them.

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We have a good thing going here.Martinez is trying to make us a team that plays attractive football but we don't really have the players to implement that style effectively and as results have shown we are still a few players short of being a top 4 team.The board seem to be happy enough with finishing in the top 10 every year.It's time for the self proclaimed biggest Evertonian ever to provide Martinez this summer with the resources he needs to turn us into a top 4 team.

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what the hell does this Jon Woods fella do anyway. Kenwright and Earl get the brunt of the shit whilst this fella sits on near 20% and hides in the shadows. Another leech

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what the hell does this Jon Woods fella do anyway. Kenwright and Earl get the brunt of the shit whilst this fella sits on near 20% and hides in the shadows. Another leech

leech? How so?

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Sitting on his percentage until a big figure comes in.

Sell up FFS if you're not going to put a penny in.

not taking a penny out, so how is he a leech?

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He'll be taking more than a penny when they eventually go.

 

My point is he sits in the shadows whilst Kenwright and Earl get the brunt. This fella has 19% and gets no mention. He's a leech like the rest of them. Waiting for his big pay day.

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I'm really hoping BK and RM have a masterplan and an abundance of signings under there sleeves cause I'm getting really fucked off now year on year making money and not spending it, being linked with free transfers and loan players. Bar one player, every player we signed last year was from Wigan.

We seriously have no ambition as a club.

The shite start picking off the best nice and early, so do the mancs and we are left wondering if anyone of any significance is going to sign.

I get this feeling that the five or six players they were talking about were Coleman re-signing, RM new contract a barca player on loan and perminant signings for Rom and Barry.

Proper fucked off at present. If anyone dears to defend this policy I will come around your house and go evil on your face.

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I'm really hoping BK and RM have a masterplan and an abundance of signings under there sleeves cause I'm getting really fucked off now year on year making money and not spending it, being linked with free transfers and loan players. Bar one player, every player we signed last year was from Wigan.

We seriously have no ambition as a club.

The shite start picking off the best nice and early, so do the mancs and we are left wondering if anyone of any significance is going to sign.

I get this feeling that the five or six players they were talking about were Coleman re-signing, RM new contract a barca player on loan and perminant signings for Rom and Barry.

Proper fucked off at present. If anyone dears to defend this policy I will come around your house and go evil on your face.

 

Was pretty successful last season no?

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