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The downside of billionaire owners. Nottingham Forest have had the name of their ground changed. According to newspaper reports, they have also sold two players to Newcastle without the managers knowledge. Stuart Pearce said that the first he heard about it was when one of the players told him he had a medical at 2.00pm in Newcastle.

At least with Bill we know that, unlike Cardiff, our shirts will never be changed to red. Or, unlike Hull, the name of the club will be sacrosanct.

Exactly. It's like the upper middle class kid who's got a great life and wonderful family but sees his rich kid friends and wishes he was rich. Only to realize that the rich kids are a bunch of coked up ass holes who's fathers neglect them and couldn't give 2 shits about them.

 

Grass isn't always greener. For every man city there are 5-10 Portsmouth, not forest, Cardiff, Etc

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But you did go into it. If you didn't want to then why post earlier?

 

The past posts have been factual, not a pulse survey. If we appraised Kenwright using pulse surveys everything would be Rosie after signing Rom, Besic, a good finish to last year etc.

 

The thing is, some of us have good memories.

Basically because I thought I had more time and patience than I have.

 

Some of us think we have good memories but can't back them up. The posts are headlines. As I've asked many times before, and rarely got an answer, I'd like to see written detailed proof of the events. Except this time, I simply don't care. I can defend him because I don't have all the facts, people shouldn't slate him without all the facts.

 

But quite honestly, I couldn't give a shit at the moment.

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CEO is someone responsible for getting things realized, Chairman will initiate ideas and act as a spokes man. If a project is launched before the CEO is appointed, so what? Its the CEO and the project team to implement and ongoing project.

 

I dont talk about FSF because I don't know enough about it, same with NTL. I am not defending or agreeing because I havent the information available to formalize an educated opinion. If someone whats to show me project charters, budgets and timelines, etc. I'll happily educate myself and form an opinion. If BK is "factually" at fault, show me evidence.

 

Mark, you have a fair point. I should be pointing my finger at the old CEO instead of BK for Kings Dock, but since I can't remember who that is at the moment, and since it happened whilst BK was in charge, I'm finger pointing incorrectly because of ignorance.

 

CEO only executes the strategy set by the board who in turn are responsible for the owners. In our case these two are the same. It was the board - in which Kenwright is the chairman - that proposed the Kirkby project and despite being told that it would face problems & would be bad for the club, still pressed ahead. He had all the power in the world to stop the project.

 

FSF was - and this has been confirmed by Ian Ross - just a means to an end to get rid of Gregg. Who of course would have financed King's Dock but wanted more control of the club. Which didn't suit Bill. It had nothing to do with the CEO. Everton needed 30 million pounds. Gregg said he can provide it. Good ol' Billy came up with the FSF scam.

 

http://www.keioc.net/index.php?page=kirkby-our-view

http://toffeeweb.com/season/11-12/news/20308.html

 

Especially for Kirkby there's so much information that you should be able to formalize an opinion if you are willing to put in an effort.

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CEO only executes the strategy set by the board who in turn are responsible for the owners. In our case these two are the same. It was the board - in which Kenwright is the chairman - that proposed the Kirkby project and despite being told that it would face problems & would be bad for the club, still pressed ahead. He had all the power in the world to stop the project.

 

FSF was - and this has been confirmed by Ian Ross - just a means to an end to get rid of Gregg. Who of course would have financed King's Dock but wanted more control of the club. Which didn't suit Bill. It had nothing to do with the CEO. Everton needed 30 million pounds. Gregg said he can provide it. Good ol' Billy came up with the FSF scam.

 

http://www.keioc.net/index.php?page=kirkby-our-view

http://toffeeweb.com/season/11-12/news/20308.html

 

Especially for Kirkby there's so much information that you should be able to formalize an opinion if you are willing to put in an effort.

 

Kings Dock collapsed in April 2003 and FSF didn't happen until late 2004 so I don't see how there's a connection there.

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CEO only executes the strategy set by the board who in turn are responsible for the owners. In our case these two are the same. It was the board - in which Kenwright is the chairman - that proposed the Kirkby project and despite being told that it would face problems & would be bad for the club, still pressed ahead. He had all the power in the world to stop the project.

 

FSF was - and this has been confirmed by Ian Ross - just a means to an end to get rid of Gregg. Who of course would have financed King's Dock but wanted more control of the club. Which didn't suit Bill. It had nothing to do with the CEO. Everton needed 30 million pounds. Gregg said he can provide it. Good ol' Billy came up with the FSF scam.

 

http://www.keioc.net/index.php?page=kirkby-our-view

http://toffeeweb.com/season/11-12/news/20308.html

 

Especially for Kirkby there's so much information that you should be able to formalize an opinion if you are willing to put in an effort.

despite the condescending phrase at the end (if its not intended, I apologize, just been a really shit 2 days), I appreciate the links. Though quoting a forum (who is quoting another forum) isn't really good evidence to base an opinion. KEIOC have been very balanced for the most part, despite being an opposition group, I will go over it all again (as its been a few years since I was up to date on the details) when I get the time.

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....and also, Ross has reputedly admitted that Fortress was used as a means to avoid Gregg getting control of the club, but he also said that this was a good thing, and that taking the money ultimately would have seriously undervalued the club.

 

"Because had he not done so, Gregg WOULD have taken control of this Club...and what would he have done? Well, you don't know...I, of course, do as I was in on the management/Board meetings.
Trust me when I say this - the SFF may not have happened but Kenwright's decision to go public with news of the talks WAS wholly justified.
Another thing...for your info only...Samuelsen DID colme through with both the fund and the cash....but by that point the SFF had served its purpose...Bill told him to go away...
Why haven't we announced that small detail? ....because it doesn't really matter....what mattered was achieved.
The belief that we are all f***ing idiots in here who couldn't run a sandwich stall is ill-founded....CL, a massively-improved performance and turnover, a place in the Deloitte's Top Twenty listing for the first time......

And still you moan about something which was designed to be used as a means to an end.......nothing more
If we did what Kenwright's detractors wish us to do - produce the SFF investment on the terms we talked about 12 months ago - this Club would be (approx ) 30 per cent UNDER-VALUED..."

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I'm a big critic of his. I genuinely think he thinks he is doing whats best 100% of the time.

 

He lied about the FSF, i think because he wanted to keep hold of the club and thought he was the best man for the job, even though i disagree with it. unforgivable lies.

 

NTL was a strange one, no one was expecting them to fold like they did. Counted his chickens before they had hatched in my book, probably not wanting to miss out on transfer targets. but still a massive failure.

 

Kirkby was a massive fuck up, and an expensive one, i do think he expected it would go ahead, and that investment would follow (maybe he had something lined up but we will never know). divided the fans big time, luckily these divides have closed considerably.

 

banning AGMs, a bit petulant to be honest, i dont want to answer questions from these fellas who dont like me so i'll just shut up shop until they back off. indefensable, he owes the shareholders the chance to ask what they like, its his responsability to do so.

 

Some things are not forgivable for me, and i never will, the Kings dock was the one time we really needed to find the money, any chance of progress was missed in that deal going out the window and i will always remember him as the man who could not deliver it.

 

But i will give him credit, he has steadied the ship, he has brought in managers who have done a great job, he has kept us afloat. The times he has had to sell players to keep the wolves from the door will have hurt him as much as us. He wont have wanted to sell Rooney, but he had to to keep the club from going under. I'm still gutted about that now, but i understand.

 

he is very far from perfect, but hes done what he could with what he had. When we've worried about the future of the club, without the full facts, he has been the one with the real pressure. he doesnt want to be the man who ruined Everton, i hope for his sake he pulls off the ground move and when he leaves it will be as the hero he wants to be, not the villian that cost us.

That's a fantastic post to be fair and pretty much sums up my feelings towards him and the shenanigans that have gone on.

 

Yes he has fucked up, yes he lied to us all, you could almost say he treated us like we were stupid at times but to blanket say he has done nothing and there's no good come from him is just plain ignorant. Maybe some of the good things he done was just to repair the damage he had caused but he stood firm and never ran away and has slowly but surely moved us forward.

 

We all make mistakes in life, some more than others and when you do a job like he does then they are obviously going to be major high profile mistakes. The trick is to learn from them and become stronger and wiser for it and I think he is.

 

I also hope he pulls the ground off and becomes a hero. One thing no one can deny is he loves the club. Give the guy a fucking break, mostly it's positive lately and long may it continue. If there's one more major fuck up though I think he'll be run out of Everton whether he likes it or not.

 

With regards to Elstone? Bills fault. He hired him, he sticks with him. He is ultimately responsible for his performance/actions.

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Also, we all have our opinions and I would hedge a bet none of us have a fucking clue what goes on at the top end of business dealings like this. Most wont have the slightest idea of the very bare basics of what they do never mind the back stabbing, manoeuvring and politics that go on in a high profile power struggle for a major business like we are.

 

We've probably only scratched the surface of a lot of it and most of us wouldn't have the slightest idea where to start running a football club so we can shout and scream all we want. The truth is most are ignorant to the facts.

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Also, we all have our opinions and I would hedge a bet none of us have a fucking clue what goes on at the top end of business dealings like this. Most wont have the slightest idea of the very bare basics of what they do never mind the back stabbing, manoeuvring and politics that go on in a high profile power struggle for a major business like we are.

 

We've probably only scratched the surface of a lot of it and most of us wouldn't have the slightest idea where to start running a football club so we can shout and scream all we want. The truth is most are ignorant to the facts.

 

I resent that, i have massive experience of running football clubs. From Champ Manager back in the day to FM2014, i'm almost a veteran!!

 

Only messing, you're right, none of us have the foggiest idea what goes on there. Only what they let us see, as it should be, too much info can be massively damaging.

 

I've got to give some different kind of credit too. In the past Bill was known for getting in front of the camera as soon as things went well, and then disappearing when they went bad. Since the press conference when he introduced Roberto, Bill has hardly been seen. He could have milked the Lukaku signing, he could have been photo'd shaking hands with Ross Barkley, but he stayed away. Leaving the light to be shone on the manager and his players. I've given him stick in the past, so i'll give him a bit of kudos for this too.

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Carragher is a shit house gobshite. I can't stand to look at him let alone listen to his whining voice.

His arl fella was a staunch blue who wouldn't even set foot in Anfield now he follows Liverpool everywhere the fucking first class crab.

Decent fella Carragher, says it as it is. Does a lot for his community. If a club had been so good to your son and he'd played for them for over a decade would you not follow that club?

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Decent fella Carragher, says it as it is. Does a lot for his community. If a club had been so good to your son and he'd played for them for over a decade would you not follow that club?

Are you mad? Of course I wouldn't follow them. I'd be glad my lad had done so well and he'd made it but why would that mean I should support that club.

 

Why would you????

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I'd support the team my son played for yes. No brainer!

Then you have no loyalty at all to the club you support now. And that's a fact.

 

Just because your son plays for a team doesn't mean you drop the side you support for that team. What do you do if he gets transferred, support that team?

 

Just the fact that you admit you could drop Everton and support Liverpool tells me a lot about your character.. Wishing him well is one thing but actually stopping supporting Everton to support Liverpool absolutely stinks to high heaven.

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Decent fella Carragher, says it as it is. Does a lot for his community. If a club had been so good to your son and he'd played for them for over a decade would you not follow that club?

Liverpool? Even if I had a son that played for them, I could never support them, I would support my son.

 

Are you mad? Of course I wouldn't follow them. I'd be glad my lad had done so well and he'd made it but why would that mean I should support that club.

 

Why would you????

Guess this is a difference in vocab here, I would follow them but never support.

 

I'd support the team my son played for yes. No brainer!

Really? Even if its your clubs rival?

 

It took me a loooong time just to "nothing" them, even wish them well, but I could never support them.

 

Then you have no loyalty at all to the club you support now. And that's a fact.

 

Just because your son plays for a team doesn't mean you drop the side you support for that team. What do you do if he gets transferred, support that team?

 

Just the fact that you admit you could drop Everton and support Liverpool tells me a lot about your character.. Wishing him well is one thing but actually stopping supporting Everton to support Liverpool absolutely stinks to high heaven.

Theres no need for that mate. He's not saying give up loyalty of Everton for a rival. I'm pretty sure he means support both; 1 because he loves the team, the other because he loves his kid.

 

Think you need to rethink this post Pad

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I'd support the team my son played for yes. No brainer!

 

I'd support my son within that team, but I'd still support Everton.

 

No brainer anyway, because my lad would never sign for Liverpool, he'd rather join Hamas.

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I'd support my son within that team, but I'd still support Everton.

 

No brainer anyway, because my lad would never sign for Liverpool, he'd rather join Hamas.

:lol: $1,000,000 question - which would you prefer?

 

:P

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No I don't Matt. Anyone who could even consider supporting Liverpool has in my eyes no loyalty at all.

 

If my lad played for Liverpool I would still want them to get relegated. If he was good enough he would get a move elsewhere.

 

It's one thing supporting your boy and wanting him to do well but another actually supporting Liverpool (which is what Carraghers Dad has done and where the comments I made originally came from) call me bitter, sad whatever but I despise Liverpool with every fibre in my body Matt I have genuine hate in my heart for them and whether my son played for them or not thst could never change.

 

I would want him to do well enough to be a star player but I would still want Liverpool to sink without trace.

 

Harsh? Maybe. But that is just the way it is Matt and I stand by every single word of what I've said.

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:lol: $1,000,000 question - which would you prefer?

 

:P

 

Would need to check what terms Hamas were offering before deciding; and see their uniform design for the next season's conflict, I can't wear khaki.

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Fair enough, I must also be disloyal then in your eyes. Which is utter bullshit.

I think you may of missed the original exchange mate. I said his dad was a crab for dropping Everton and becoming a red. I know this for a fact, he's always bladdered slagging off Everton, singing Liverpool songs etc when before Liverpool took his boy he wouldn't even say the word Liverpool. and Miguel basically asked what was wrong with that saying he would support the club his lad played for (just like Carraghers Dad) and that was the reason for me posting what I sid.

 

Wishing your lad well is one thing. But abandoning your roots because of it is something entirely different and that's what Carrighers Dads done and Miguel says he would do the same no brainer.

 

Personally I would still want the team to sink , lad in it or not, but I know I'm seriously passionate about Everton and I'm a very loyal person in general. Everton is in my blood, I eat sleep and breath them i genuinely choke and hold back tears every time we run out to z cars. My weeks ruined when we lose but I also know I'm over the top and a bit stupid over it all but I can't help it it's just the way it gets me. I love the club with all of my heart and soul my eyes are half welling now just writing this, THATS how much I love Everton.

 

I don't expect people to be the same and no it's not dis-loyal to want your lad to do well if he plays for them, but to drop Everton and become one of those shit houses makes me feel sick to the pit of my stomach.

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I think you may of missed the original exchange mate. I said his dad was a crab for dropping Everton and becoming a red. I know this for a fact, he's always bladdered slagging off Everton, singing Liverpool songs etc when before Liverpool took his boy he wouldn't even say the word Liverpool. and Miguel basically asked what was wrong with that saying he would support the club his lad played for (just like Carraghers Dad) and that was the reason for me posting what I sid.

 

Wishing your lad well is one thing. But abandoning your roots because of it is something entirely different and that's what Carrighers Dads done and Miguel says he would do the same no brainer.

 

Personally I would still want the team to sink , lad in it or not, but I know I'm seriously passionate about Everton and I'm a very loyal person in general. Everton is in my blood, I eat sleep and breath them i genuinely choke and hold back tears every time we run out to z cars. My weeks ruined when we lose but I also know I'm over the top and a bit stupid over it all but I can't help it it's just the way it gets me. I love the club with all of my heart and soul my eyes are half welling now just writing this, THATS how much I love Everton.

 

I don't expect people to be the same and no it's not dis-loyal to want your lad to do well if he plays for them, but to drop Everton and become one of those shit houses makes me feel sick to the pit of my stomach.

You said:

 

Then you have no loyalty at all to the club you support now. And that's a fact.

 

When MC said he would support the team his boy played for. Cotto never said anything about abandoning Everton, as Carras dad supposedly has (I've no idea, and honestly don't care). Thats what I meant by rethinking your post.

 

Just for the record, hating Liverpool FC has nothing to do with being a loyal Evertonian for me, although I know that seems to be a popular opinion. I agree with the rest.

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When the fuck did I say I'd abandon Everton?

 

Alls I said was I'd support that team. Whether that be Liverpool or Newcastle United.

Go back and re read it. Me.. He's a crab, you he's a decent fella why wouldn't he support that team (after I put he was a gobshite for leaving Everton and Supporting Liverpool) me.. Would you? You... Yes it's a no brainwr.

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You said:

 

 

When MC said he would support the team his boy played for. Cotto never said anything about abandoning Everton, as Carras dad supposedly has (I've no idea, and honestly don't care). Thats what I meant by rethinking your post.

 

Just for the record, hating Liverpool FC has nothing to do with being a loyal Evertonian for me, although I know that seems to be a popular opinion. I agree with the rest.

I know what I said mate, I said his Dad abandoned us and supported Liverpool, Miguel said (in so many words) why wouldn't he do that. I said why would you and he said yes.!!!

 

That's why I said it.

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For the record I don't hate Liverpool Football Club and that makes me no less Evertonian than you. It's a good club the whole of my mums side are staunch Liverpudlians. I get Everton from my dad and I'm a proper blue, I go the game, I buy the kits. The only thing I hate is Kopites not the club.

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I'd SUPPORT the team my son played for yes. No brainer!

I've put the word SUPPORT in capitals to highlight that you said you would support them.

 

You can't support 2 teams in the same league.

 

You said you would SUPPORT Liverpool right there.

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Go back and re read it. Me.. He's a crab, you he's a decent fella why wouldn't he support that team (after I put he was a gobshite for leaving Everton and Supporting Liverpool) me.. Would you? You... Yes it's a no brainwr.

I said Carragher was a decent fella.

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I've put the word SUPPORT in capitals to highlight that you said you would support them.

You can't support 2 teams in the same league.

You said you would SUPPORT Liverpool right there.

I've put the word SUPPORT in capitals to highlight that you said you would support them.

You can't support 2 teams in the same league.

You said you would SUPPORT Liverpool right there.

Which I would. Do you support your lads football team? When they score do you cheer? Or only when he scores

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For the record I don't hate Liverpool Football Club and that makes me no less Evertonian than you. It's a good club the whole of my mums side are staunch Liverpudlians. I get Everton from my dad and I'm a proper blue, I go the game, I buy the kits. The only thing I hate is Kopites not the club.

And for the record I never said hating Liverpool made you any better an Evertonian. I hate them, really hate them but it's not obligatory to do it if you're a blue, I just do.

 

You say you hate Kopites but not the club. Is the club not what raised and bred Kopites. Kopites are the club, they're the fabric of the club just like we're the fabric of ours. The two go hand in hand they're one and the same.

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Which I would. Do you support your lads football team? When they score do you cheer? Or only when he scores

If he played for Port Vale I'd have an affiliation to them of course I would but to abandon Everton to support Liverpool ( which is what the original question to you was) then of course not.

 

Using a kids football team in this is just ridiculous.

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And for the record I never said hating Liverpool made you any better an Evertonian. I hate them, really hate them but it's not obligatory to do it if you're a blue, I just do.

You say you hate Kopites but not the club. Is the club not what raised and bred Kopites. Kopites are the club, they're the fabric of the club just like we're the fabric of ours. The two go hand in hand they're one and the same.

Not all Kopites are gobshites mate. Some know their football but in all clubs you will find supporters that are deluded and wind up merchants. These are the ones I'm talking about. The club is a good club though. It's not the club who wind Evertonians up it's their supporters. Everton and Liverpool stand together mate. That doesn't mean losing against them doesn't hurt. But I certainly don't hate the club. I hate the deluded, wind up fans there's nothing else to hate.

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Not all Kopites are gobshites mate. Some know their football but in all clubs you will find supporters that are deluded and wind up merchants. These are the ones I'm talking about. The club is a good club though. It's not the club who wind Evertonians up it's their supporters. Everton and Liverpool stand together mate. That doesn't mean losing against them doesn't hurt. But I certainly don't hate the club. I hate the deluded, wind up fans there's nothing else to hate.

well put.

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If he played for Port Vale I'd have an affiliation to them of course I would but to abandon Everton to support Liverpool ( which is what the original question to you was) then of course not.

Using a kids football team in this is just ridiculous.

Never once said I'd abandon Everton. Good luck finding that! But I'd support any team my son played for. Who told you about Carraghers dad your mate in the farmers arms after a couple of ales. I'm sure his dad still follows Everton.

 

Until you've been in his shoes you can't really comment!

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Never once said I'd abandon Everton. Good luck finding that! But I'd support any team my son played for. Who told you about Carraghers dad your mate in the farmers arms after a couple of ales. I'm sure his dad still follows Everton.

 

Until you've been in his shoes you can't really comment!

No mate, I don't have to write second hand info and if I do I always says its that. He lived on Knowsley Road when he was younger, his Dad was a blue, ysed to go the game within my older inner circles. Drove a black cab for a while and we (my family) all know him. He's an embarrassment to Carragher as he's actually banned from Liverpool away games because he's always bladdered slagging Everton off and trying to pick fights with anyone who speaks well of Everton.

Myou said what you said. Good luck trying to wriggle out of it.

 

This is the last I'll say on it now. You said it, you know and I know how you meant it, you can back peddle all you like.

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No mate, I don't have to write second hand info and if I do I always says its that. He lived on Knowsley Road when he was younger, his Dad was a blue, ysed to go the game within my older inner circles. Drove a black cab for a while and we (my family) all know him. He's an embarrassment to Carragher as he's actually banned from Liverpool away games because he's always bladdered slagging Everton off and trying to pick fights with anyone who speaks well of Everton.

Myou said what you said. Good luck trying to wriggle out of it.

This is the last I'll say on it now. You said it, you know and I know how you meant it, you can back peddle all you like.

I don't need to back peddle, what I said is there for everyone to see. It's you who brought abandoning Everton into it. As I said good luck finding where I said that!

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I think you may of missed the original exchange mate. I said his dad was a crab for dropping Everton and becoming a red. I know this for a fact, he's always bladdered slagging off Everton, singing Liverpool songs etc when before Liverpool took his boy he wouldn't even say the word Liverpool. and Miguel basically asked what was wrong with that saying he would support the club his lad played for (just like Carraghers Dad) and that was the reason for me posting what I sid.

Wishing your lad well is one thing. But abandoning your roots because of it is something entirely different and that's what Carrighers Dads done and Miguel says he would do the same no brainer.

Personally I would still want the team to sink , lad in it or not, but I know I'm seriously passionate about Everton and I'm a very loyal person in general. Everton is in my blood, I eat sleep and breath them i genuinely choke and hold back tears every time we run out to z cars. My weeks ruined when we lose but I also know I'm over the top and a bit stupid over it all but I can't help it it's just the way it gets me. I love the club with all of my heart and soul my eyes are half welling now just writing this, THATS how much I love Everton.

I don't expect people to be the same and no it's not dis-loyal to want your lad to do well if he plays for them, but to drop Everton and become one of those shit houses makes me feel sick to the pit of my stomach.

Cue the Violins

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For the record I don't hate Liverpool Football Club and that makes me no less Evertonian than you. It's a good club the whole of my mums side are staunch Liverpudlians. I get Everton from my dad and I'm a proper blue, I go the game, I buy the kits. The only thing I hate is Kopites not the club.

Haha, so you hate half your family then.

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I know what I would do. Disown my son and carry on supporting the blues, simples!

 

Probably best if you don't disown him until after he's bought you a new house and a Ferrari though eh? Then write him out of your will when he gets a career ending injury :D.

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Probably best if you don't disown him until after he's bought you a new house and a Ferrari though eh? Then write him out of your will when he gets a career ending injury :D.

Nah I couldn't live with myself knowing that the house was bought from dirty money!

 

And where would it end, what would happen if he had kids of his own and they started supporting The Shite?

 

Before you know where you are we could be having family holidays to Oslo. Better to fuck the Ferrari off and banish the son and his devil's spawn right from the start

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I often drink with Dave Nugents dad, he is blue as they come as is his son.

 

I asked him about what he wanted in Leicester game.... Draw.

 

Don't underestimate the love fans have for the club, but the love for you children and their integrity/professionalism is bigger.

 

He has his sons fa cup winners medal. Dave Nugent still wants to play for us and would do it for nothing. Let's be honest, if your lad plays for a team, you want them to do well.

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I must confess that I have a hard time understanding the vitriole in this thread. I'm with MC 100% on this.

 

Let me make clear my stance: Family comes first. When they do something, I help them and encourage them and do all I can to allow them to succeed. If my son played for Liverpool, of course I would support my son and support his team - in the sense that I hope they do well because he plays for them. It doesn't mean I would stop supporting Everton, but my son's success would count for more. As someone wrote above, to be an Everton fan does not mean having to be a Liverpool hater. Despite the rivalry (and rivalries add to the enjoyment and competitive spirit of games), I see no reason to hate another team.

 

As it is, my oldest son (the most gifted football player in our family) is a Liverpool supporter. Years ago, when traveling home from a business trip to Europe, I flew through London and flew him from Atlanta to Manchester airport, and we went to Anfield to watch Liverpool play Charlton. (It was the day the queen mother died, because funeral music was being played on all the radio stations.) It was a good game with his then-hero, Michael Owen, scoring right in front of us. Was I pleased that Liverpool won? Yes, because my son is big supporter, and I was treating him to a great experience. Again, family is more important than any game - full stop.

 

These days, my son follows Everton as much as he follows Liverpool. If some other fans don't like this, hard cheddar. It is what it is, and there's just no way that choice of a sports team is going to create any kind of rift in our family.

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I must confess that I have a hard time understanding the vitriole in this thread. I'm with MC 100% on this.

 

Let me make clear my stance: Family comes first. When they do something, I help them and encourage them and do all I can to allow them to succeed. If my son played for Liverpool, of course I would support my son and support his team - in the sense that I hope they do well because he plays for them. It doesn't mean I would stop supporting Everton, but my son's success would count for more. As someone wrote above, to be an Everton fan does not mean having to be a Liverpool hater. Despite the rivalry (and rivalries add to the enjoyment and competitive spirit of games), I see no reason to hate another team.

 

As it is, my oldest son (the most gifted football player in our family) is a Liverpool supporter. Years ago, when traveling home from a business trip to Europe, I flew through London and flew him from Atlanta to Manchester airport, and we went to Anfield to watch Liverpool play Charlton. (It was the day the queen mother died, because funeral music was being played on all the radio stations.) It was a good game with his then-hero, Michael Owen, scoring right in front of us. Was I pleased that Liverpool won? Yes, because my son is big supporter, and I was treating him to a great experience. Again, family is more important than any game - full stop.

 

These days, my son follows Everton as much as he follows Liverpool. If some other fans don't like this, hard cheddar. It is what it is, and there's just no way that choice of a sports team is going to create any kind of rift in our family.

 

I'm not saying any of that's wrong, Steve, but you're not actually an Everton fan are you? I thought you were a Martinez fan and just follow where he goes?

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scenario:-

 

Your son is a talented player. Both Everton and Liverpool want him in their academy. Liverpool has the better reputation, best coaches, and invariably turn out more talent.

 

Who do you go with?

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At the age of 10-11 I think your say may count for a bit - I'm not turning into Steffi Graffs father here... You have the ability to advise your son....

 

But he's the one who actually has to play for them, so it's more their decision.

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