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7 minutes ago, Matt said:

Media is still a joke in my opinion. Allowing sponsors to make fun of us after a defeat should’ve been ruthlessly addressed, but I don’t remember hearing a peep. The public chasing of “Moshiris man” is also a disgrace, and it’s only a matter of time before that starts again. We used to conduct our business in a manner that we could be proud of, now we’ve got an owner who’s got cash and is treating us like his Championship Manager team.

Anyway, like I said in the Tom Davies thread, it’s been an emotional rollercoaster of a weekend. I’m sure I’ll be back to my usual positive self and regretting these rants soon enough 😊 

 

Fair enough.

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6 minutes ago, Matt said:

Allowing sponsors to make fun of us after a defeat should’ve been ruthlessly addressed

But he didn't "allow" them to do it, they took it upon themselves; and how was he supposed to "ruthlessly address" it? Tell them to take their (no doubt) meticulously negotiated £10m a year deal and fuck off? That's called biting the hand that feeds you.

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7 minutes ago, MikeO said:

But he didn't "allow" them to do it, they took it upon themselves; and how was he supposed to "ruthlessly address" it? Tell them to take their (no doubt) meticulously negotiated £10m a year deal and fuck off? That's called biting the hand that feeds you.

Considering the exposure of the EPL they are lucky to have us & not the other way around. Its more like biting the hand of the person you feed!

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39 minutes ago, MikeO said:

But he didn't "allow" them to do it, they took it upon themselves; and how was he supposed to "ruthlessly address" it? Tell them to take their (no doubt) meticulously negotiated £10m a year deal and fuck off? That's called biting the hand that feeds you.

 

30 minutes ago, Bailey said:

Considering the exposure of the EPL they are lucky to have us & not the other way around. Its more like biting the hand of the person you feed!

This. It should’ve been made very clear that if they repeated their gaff, the contract would be cancelled and we’d go elsewhere. Treat us with respect of suffer the consequences. There are other companies out there who would pay good money to get global exposure, without making a mockery of the source of that exposure 

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for me it boils down to this.  with bill the financials were a mess, but he always made sure the football was decent and he was smart/shrewd somewhat in transfers and sales and with manager hires.  Moyes and Martinez were (again remember the time, financial situation, etc) great managers who did a ton with little money available (lukaku for 28 and sold for 90, enough said).  we have millions now and great financies but the football sucks.  i don't follow everton for the accounting statements, i follow for the football matches.  this is why Bill has gotten more respect from me and moshiri less.

 

moshiri gets the new owner mulligan on koeman, fat sam, and walsh, but who he appoints after could be the makings of him or the end of him.  these will be forgiven, he's new, doesn't know what he's doing, etc.  but if he screws it up again the fans will go wild and there will be moshiri out banners if we are mid-bottom table team regularly.

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2 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

for me it boils down to this.  with bill the financials were a mess, but he always made sure the football was decent and he was smart/shrewd somewhat in transfers and sales and with manager hires.  Moyes and Martinez were (again remember the time, financial situation, etc) great managers who did a ton with little money available (lukaku for 28 and sold for 90, enough said).  we have millions now and great financies but the football sucks.  i don't follow everton for the accounting statements, i follow for the football matches.  this is why Bill has gotten more respect from me and moshiri less.

 

moshiri gets the new owner mulligan on koeman, fat sam, and walsh, but who he appoints after could be the makings of him or the end of him.  these will be forgiven, he's new, doesn't know what he's doing, etc.  but if he screws it up again the fans will go wild and there will be moshiri out banners if we are mid-bottom table team regularly.

How do you know this?

Think it's all a bit silly since I can remember when signing Straq and Drenthe on loan was the extent of our summer business, or when we signed Beckford from League One as well as Magaye Gueye and Joao Silva.

Think this summer will be crucial for us on appointing the right manager if we don't keep Sam as well as finding the right back four - Baines needs replacing and we probably need to move on at least a few of Funes Mori, Williams, Jags. Two huge tasks and that's assuming that Tosun kicks on and becomes the number 9 we need.

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7 minutes ago, Quinn31 said:

How do you know this?

Think it's all a bit silly since I can remember when signing Straq and Drenthe on loan was the extent of our summer business, or when we signed Beckford from League One as well as Magaye Gueye and Joao Silva.

Think this summer will be crucial for us on appointing the right manager if we don't keep Sam as well as finding the right back four - Baines needs replacing and we probably need to move on at least a few of Funes Mori, Williams, Jags. Two huge tasks and that's assuming that Tosun kicks on and becomes the number 9 we need.

there were bill out banners during martinez reign.  don't you remember the one flown over goodison?  

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14 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

there were bill out banners during martinez reign.  don't you remember the one flown over goodison?  

I'm familiar because the club were skint. If one thinks a few banners are going to force out investors who have hundreds of millions of pounds tied into the club, they're naive.

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24 minutes ago, Quinn31 said:

I'm familiar because the club were skint. If one thinks a few banners are going to force out investors who have hundreds of millions of pounds tied into the club, they're naive.

very defeatist.   i do believe the fans make a difference.  not to mention who's the scouser now skint?

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25 minutes ago, Quinn31 said:

I'm familiar because the club were skint. If one thinks a few banners are going to force out investors who have hundreds of millions of pounds tied into the club, they're naive.

They might not think they’ll get rid of the owners, but it would still be a way of showing discontent and Im with MJB on this, I can see it happening 

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8 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

If he keeps the current manager past the summer I can see it happening for sure. 

At this rate, I can see it happening well before the end of the season 

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1 hour ago, Matt said:

They might not think they’ll get rid of the owners, but it would still be a way of showing discontent and Im with MJB on this, I can see it happening 

As much as I think fans should have a voice, I hope our fans don't start behaving like Newcastle fans and fluctuate only between extreme anger and extreme elation. 

 

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3 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

for me it boils down to this.  with bill the financials were a mess, but he always made sure the football was decent and he was smart/shrewd somewhat in transfers and sales and with manager hires.  Moyes and Martinez were (again remember the time, financial situation, etc) great managers who did a ton with little money available (lukaku for 28 and sold for 90, enough said).  we have millions now and great financies but the football sucks.  i don't follow everton for the accounting statements, i follow for the football matches.  this is why Bill has gotten more respect from me and moshiri less.

 

moshiri gets the new owner mulligan on koeman, fat sam, and walsh, but who he appoints after could be the makings of him or the end of him.  these will be forgiven, he's new, doesn't know what he's doing, etc.  but if he screws it up again the fans will go wild and there will be moshiri out banners if we are mid-bottom table team regularly.

It raises the prospect of what model of management really is better.

I must admit I was sold on the Southampton style of DoF and first team coach combination where the scouting and recruitment was separate from the coach but now I am not so sure again. I thought it would promote a consistency to the club from picking the right coach and getting the right players and making sure that any change in manager didnt cause a massive upheaval.

The problem with that model, especially in relation to the last couple of years with us, is that the link between the scouts, the DoF and then the first team coach aren't good enough. Even Bill said in the AGM that he did some deals and Walsh did others and that surely can't be right. When you look at our signings since both Walsh & Koeman came in they look confused. You don't look at the group of players that we have signed and think, "I can see what they are doing here". It will continue if Walcott signs.

At least with a manager that is directly involved in the scouting and signing of the players, you know that they have a clear plan for them in the starting 11. Its not a case of "you are getting x player now deal with it" as it would seem from some of the deals this summer.

Going back to Southampton thought, it might have been different had they not given Puel the boot, especially after they got them to a cup final.

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1 minute ago, Bailey said:

It raises the prospect of what model of management really is better.

I must admit I was sold on the Southampton style of DoF and first team coach combination where the scouting and recruitment was separate from the coach but now I am not so sure again. I thought it would promote a consistency to the club from picking the right coach and getting the right players and making sure that any change in manager didnt cause a massive upheaval.

The problem with that model, especially in relation to the last couple of years with us, is that the link between the scouts, the DoF and then the first team coach aren't good enough. Even Bill said in the AGM that he did some deals and Walsh did others and that surely can't be right. When you look at our signings since both Walsh & Koeman came in they look confused. You don't look at the group of players that we have signed and think, "I can see what they are doing here". It will continue if Walcott signs.

At least with a manager that is directly involved in the scouting and signing of the players, you know that they have a clear plan for them in the starting 11. Its not a case of "you are getting x player now deal with it" as it would seem from some of the deals this summer.

Going back to Southampton thought, it might have been different had they not given Puel the boot, especially after they got them to a cup final.

good post bailey.  i prefer the "one man does all" approach ala Moyes or Martinez.  That way its fully integrated (you don't have potential DOF/manager communication or other issues) and one person takes the fall.  If you have a style you like, you recruit for that style and know the types of players you want. 

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9 minutes ago, Bailey said:

It raises the prospect of what model of management really is better.

I must admit I was sold on the Southampton style of DoF and first team coach combination where the scouting and recruitment was separate from the coach but now I am not so sure again. I thought it would promote a consistency to the club from picking the right coach and getting the right players and making sure that any change in manager didnt cause a massive upheaval.

The problem with that model, especially in relation to the last couple of years with us, is that the link between the scouts, the DoF and then the first team coach aren't good enough. Even Bill said in the AGM that he did some deals and Walsh did others and that surely can't be right. When you look at our signings since both Walsh & Koeman came in they look confused. You don't look at the group of players that we have signed and think, "I can see what they are doing here". It will continue if Walcott signs.

At least with a manager that is directly involved in the scouting and signing of the players, you know that they have a clear plan for them in the starting 11. Its not a case of "you are getting x player now deal with it" as it would seem from some of the deals this summer.

Going back to Southampton thought, it might have been different had they not given Puel the boot, especially after they got them to a cup final.

Excellent post.

We could have as big or larger of a problem in terms of personnel working together than plain incompetence. We could have good people who just don't know how to work together.

Confusion between Walsh and the manager on who signs the players and is in charge of recruitment - it used to be all Moyes or Martinez - even Bill seems to get involved here

Bill and Moshiri now share the decisionmaking where as it used to be all Bill - now Bill is chairman and knows the club better but Moshiri has the real say because he's the money

 

The teams that seem to work well with the DoF model seem to have a set football philosophy, and a Director and Scouting team that knows what they need and can plug and play to whoever is the manager, someone always familiar with the philosophy that the club have.

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26 minutes ago, Quinn31 said:

As much as I think fans should have a voice, I hope our fans don't start behaving like Newcastle fans and fluctuate only between extreme anger and extreme elation. 

 

No need to worry mate, we fluctuate between miserable twats and suicidal twats!

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1 hour ago, Quinn31 said:

Excellent post.

We could have as big or larger of a problem in terms of personnel working together than plain incompetence. We could have good people who just don't know how to work together.

Confusion between Walsh and the manager on who signs the players and is in charge of recruitment - it used to be all Moyes or Martinez - even Bill seems to get involved here

Bill and Moshiri now share the decisionmaking where as it used to be all Bill - now Bill is chairman and knows the club better but Moshiri has the real say because he's the money

 

The teams that seem to work well with the DoF model seem to have a set football philosophy, and a Director and Scouting team that knows what they need and can plug and play to whoever is the manager, someone always familiar with the philosophy that the club have.

I think the last part is the most important. You do need a set philosophy between all three otherwise there is a conflict. Think of Koeman's time, you had nostalgic Bill, sit deep and counter Walsh and Koeman's unknown brand of shite football (that he called total football).

I am also a bit surprised that we gave our first DoF role to someone who had never been a DoF. Does that not seem a bit odd?

 

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I agree with pretty much everyone here, but what we are talking about in terms of the DoF role and the set philosophy (I hate that word in football) and a team of staff who all work to the same plan takes time. Not just a year or two. Les Reed did a great job at Southampton, but hes been there almost 8 years. They weren't in the Premier League when he got started there. It all takes time. I'm not saying Walsh is the man, but this is a big change for the club, the day to day running is different. Its not like Bill is used to change either, look a his tenure at the club. Hes always kept people in their positions of years and years. I still think hes part of the problem. We have too many people in good jobs at the club who accept mediocre as an achievement. Real change is needed, not fire everyone and start again. But we certainly need a new CEO, with ambition, and maybe Bills role as a chairman needs to be more of a PR thing than a hands on thing. Whatever happens over the coming years, Moshiri will be propping up the finances and he's going to bring in his own guys, I hope he brings in the right people with the right ambition and the right plan to get there.

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On 21/01/2018 at 19:09, jofanon said:

Watford sack Silva and immediately appoint Garcia

Compare that to the farce of Koemans departure

we need to remove a lot of people from Everton

name and shame Jofanon.  :lol:

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2 hours ago, Louis said:

Has there been any talk of how possible US sanctions against Alisher Usmanov could have an affect on Moshiri? The sanctions list will be published on 29th.

Interesting.  Do follow up when the list is posted.

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5 hours ago, jofanon said:

Arsenal sell Sanchez and have a top replacement lined up

We are just embarrassing.

Elstone, Kenwright & Walsh all need to go.

 

Sanchez went on a swap deal.  but I get your point 

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1 hour ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

i take it 1 of 2 ways:

1.  he is going to replace Walsh

2.  article is BS, why would he essential demote himself from DOF to big shot scout.  i get the prem is bigger but it's a downgrade of a job.

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i take it 1 of 2 ways:
1.  he is going to replace Walsh
2.  article is BS, why would he essential demote himself from DOF to big shot scout.  i get the prem is bigger but it's a downgrade of a job.


Would you be arsed about a job title if your new job paid double your current wage?


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Pretty sure we've finally realised the job is too big for him and generally, his buys and lack of caution of spending stupid money on bang average players was reckless.

Yes I do blame Walsh in equal measure to Koeman. 

Brands looks like he knows what he's doing at that level.

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9 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

i take it 1 of 2 ways:

1.  he is going to replace Walsh

2.  article is BS, why would he essential demote himself from DOF to big shot scout.  i get the prem is bigger but it's a downgrade of a job.

 

2 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

Depending on which article you read, looks like Walsh would concentrate on what he's been good at (i.e. scouting) and this guy coming in as an actual DoF

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2 hours ago, Lowensda said:

Pretty sure we've finally realised the job is too big for him and generally, his buys and lack of caution of spending stupid money on bang average players was reckless.

Yes I do blame Walsh in equal measure to Koeman. 

Brands looks like he knows what he's doing at that level.

spot on.

2 hours ago, Matt said:

 

Depending on which article you read, looks like Walsh would concentrate on what he's been good at (i.e. scouting) and this guy coming in as an actual DoF

good walsh is a terrible DOF

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The position this club finds itself in must lie squarely at the feet  of Moshiri and Kenwright only they can make the decisions to change things and there is the problem.

Firstly Kenwright who always said for years that he was waiting for the right person to take this club forward before selling sold us down the river with Moshiri, he could have found a multitude of people with money, what he needed to do was sell to someone who had a modicum of a idea of how to run a club, in Moshiri he failed.

Moshiri in two years has managed to make us the worst team in the league by making a host of decisions that are beyond his knowledge and capabilities, firstly before he took control he orchestrated the sacking of Martinez and the hiring of Walsh and Koeman, regardless of what people thought of Martinez he should have given him a minimum of six months to do something with a bit of money.

Secondly after it was obvious to most that Koeman wasn't the right man for the job, he still allowed him and Walsh to buy players, the cost of the players isn'tt a problem after all the one thing he's got is money, it's the fact that he sanctioned the buying by a manager who didn't know what he was trying to create with no evidence of a style of play or improvement, then he sacks Koeman with out a plan, to me this proves he reacted to fan pressure and not a conscious decision that was planned with a manager in the waiting, so we end up with Unsworth who was thrown in at the deep end for a prolonged period because he hadn't done his homework.

The hatrick of Blunders is the acquisition of Allardyce and the continued employment of Walsh, he obviously can't see that he isn'tt the right person to make the big decisions, so Kenwright needs to tell him to keep out of team  decisions and concentrate on the commercial side of the business, if this doesn't happen we have years of poor times a head of us going from one catastrophe to the next, unless we are lucky enough for someone to come in and buy him out.

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7 hours ago, Palfy said:

The position this club finds itself in must lie squarely at the feet  of Moshiri and Kenwright only they can make the decisions to change things and there is the problem.

Firstly Kenwright who always said for years that he was waiting for the right person to take this club forward before selling sold us down the river with Moshiri, he could have found a multitude of people with money, what he needed to do was sell to someone who had a modicum of a idea of how to run a club, in Moshiri he failed.

Moshiri in two years has managed to make us the worst team in the league by making a host of decisions that are beyond his knowledge and capabilities, firstly before he took control he orchestrated the sacking of Martinez and the hiring of Walsh and Koeman, regardless of what people thought of Martinez he should have given him a minimum of six months to do something with a bit of money.

Secondly after it was obvious to most that Koeman wasn't the right man for the job, he still allowed him and Walsh to buy players, the cost of the players isn'ttt a problem after all the one thing he's got is money, it's the fact that he sanctioned the buying by a manager who didn't know what he was trying to create with no evidence of a style of play or improvement, then he sacks Koeman with out a plan, to me this proves he reacted to fan pressure and not a conscious decision that was planned with a manager in the waiting, so we end up with Unsworth who was thrown in at the deep end for a prolonged period because he hadn't done his homework.

The hatrick of Blunders is the acquisition of Allardyce and the continued employment of Walsh, he obviously can't see that he isn'ttt the right person to make the big decisions, so Kenwright needs to tell him to keep out of team  decisions and concentrate on the commercial side of the business, if this doesn't happen we have years of poor times a head of us going from one catastrophe to the next, unless we are lucky enough for someone to come in and buy him out.

The sacking of Martinez was right. The sacking of koeman was right, the hiring of allardyce was wrong. 

Moshiri has backed his managers with money. Would you like us to replace him with someone who is milking money out of the club like Phillip green did? 

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Just now, hafnia said:

The sacking of Martinez was right. The sacking of koeman was right, the hiring of allardyce was wrong. 

Moshiri has backed his managers with money. Would you like us to replace him with someone who is milking money out of the club like Phillip green did? 

Agreed. Martinez simply couldn't go on. Koeman was a perfectly reasonable choice at the time but his sacking and subsequent replacement should have been handled much better. 

I think all of this would have shocked Mohsiri quite a lot. I suspect he thought it would all be a lot easier than it has been, and I certainly dont think that he thought we would go backwards, let alone as far backwards as we have.  There is a saying about you can't experience joy without pain, so hopefully this is the pain element of his stewardship and the rest is joy!

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2 hours ago, hafnia said:

The sacking of Martinez was right. The sacking of koeman was right, the hiring of allardyce was wrong. 

Moshiri has backed his managers with money. Would you like us to replace him with someone who is milking money out of the club like Phillip green did? 

 

3 hours ago, hafnia said:

The sacking of Martinez was right. The sacking of koeman was right, the hiring of allardyce was wrong. 

Moshiri has backed his managers with money. Would you like us to replace him with someone who is milking money out of the club like Phillip green did? 

In my opinion the sacking of Martinez was to soon he should have had the opportunity under Moshiri to see what he could do with some money to spend for me he is still the better manager out of the 3, of course Koeman should have been sacked what I was saying was he should have been sacked sooner and not backed in the transfer market to bring in players when he had no style or plan to fit them into, then the appointment of Allardyce compounded our problems, these shit decisions were brought about by Moshiri and his lack of knowledge in the football arena, again read what I said Moshiri's money is welcome but not the be all and end all, teams have gone down with owners backing them with money because they make big mistakes in their judgment, are you saying his money makes him right so we have to suck up his shit decisions it's not long ago you were panicking that we were on the brink of going down after all the money he spent, he for me has proved you can have all the money in the world but if you haven't got a clue it makes no difference. Now I don't feel sorry for him he's a business man after all and he's not here for his long term love for the club, he's here because 1) Arsenal wouldn't let him on the board of directors which is what he had been trying to get on for years. 2) Because he could see an opportunity here to make a lot of money with the new stadium in the offering he's not silly he knows that when stadium is up and running he will double or treble his money, so don't try to portray him as some saviour of the club believe me he's here for the money.

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35 minutes ago, Palfy said:

 

In my opinion the sacking of Martinez was to soon he should have had the opportunity under Moshiri to see what he could do with some money to spend for me he is still the better manager out of the 3, of course Koeman should have been sacked what I was saying was he should have been sacked sooner and not backed in the transfer market to bring in players when he had no style or plan to fit them into, then the appointment of Allardyce compounded our problems, these shit decisions were brought about by Moshiri and his lack of knowledge in the football arena, again read what I said Moshiri's money is welcome but not the be all and end all, teams have gone down with owners backing them with money because they make big mistakes in their judgment, are you saying his money makes him right so we have to suck up his shit decisions it's not long ago you were panicking that we were on the brink of going down after all the money he spent, he for me has proved you can have all the money in the world but if you haven't got a clue it makes no difference. Now I don't feel sorry for him he's a business man after all and he's not here for his long term love for the club, he's here because 1) Arsenal wouldn't let him on the board of directors which is what he had been trying to get on for years. 2) Because he could see an opportunity here to make a lot of money with the new stadium in the offering he's not silly he knows that when stadium is up and running he will double or treble his money, so don't try to portray him as some saviour of the club believe me he's here for the money.

Blimey palf is your "return" button broken? Longest paragraph ever that.

 

No I just think that aside from being a bit too liberal with his mouth moshiri is positive for the club.  His job is to provide investment and enable the club to grow.... He is doing that.

The manager and the players haven't worked out but there are no guarantees with that.  He wastes no time in getting rid which I'm happy about. 

The club needs sorting big time but moshiri ain't the problem.

 

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13 minutes ago, hafnia said:

Blimey palf is your "return" button broken? Longest paragraph ever that.

 

No I just think that aside from being a bit too liberal with his mouth moshiri is positive for the club.  His job is to provide investment and enable the club to grow.... He is doing that.

The manager and the players haven't worked out but there are no guarantees with that.  He wastes no time in getting rid which I'm happy about. 

The club needs sorting big time but moshiri ain't the problem.

 

No mate my hearts broken, I do agree with you he is putting the money in that cannot be denied and if all goes to plan he will see a massive return on his investment,  I just wish he would seek better counsel when it comes to footballing decisions from who I must confess I'm not sure, but one thing I'm sure about he should take no stock in what Walsh has to say, at the moment there is one experienced manager in Rafa in this league who should be working at higher level than he is,can spot talent, play's good football and would be a draw for better players due to the respect he has in the game maybe he could be Moshiri's man.

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notice how all the moshiri stuff has died down, you wonder if its true that lukaku's mom did tell him not to sign.  surely if it wasn't true some sort of legal action would have happened even if they knew it wouldn't hold but to keep appearances and plead non-guilty to the public.  nothing.

 

could be some grains of truth in all of that.

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1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said:

notice how all the moshiri stuff has died down, you wonder if its true that lukaku's mom did tell him not to sign.  surely if it wasn't true some sort of legal action would have happened even if they knew it wouldn't hold but to keep appearances and plead non-guilty to the public.  nothing.

 

could be some grains of truth in all of that.

There isn'tt and I'm sure any settlement will be behind closed doors. 

Even if Lukaku wanted to take it forward I'm not sure how damaging it really was. His stock will purely be dictacted by how many goals he scores. He could be the first black KKK leader but as long as he scored hatfuls for Utd no-one would bat an eyelid.

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1 hour ago, Bailey said:

There isn'tttt and I'm sure any settlement will be behind closed doors

Even if Lukaku wanted to take it forward I'm not sure how damaging it really was. His stock will purely be dictacted by how many goals he scores. He could be the first black KKK leader but as long as he scored hatfuls for Utd no-one would bat an eyelid.

even so, when done they announce a settlement was made.  not so here.

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On 19/02/2018 at 20:30, Bailey said:

There isn'ttt and I'm sure any settlement will be behind closed doors. 

Even if Lukaku wanted to take it forward I'm not sure how damaging it really was. His stock will purely be dictacted by how many goals he scores. He could be the first black KKK leader but as long as he scored hatfuls for Utd no-one would bat an eyelid.

How do you know there isn’t?

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6 hours ago, Paddock said:

How do you know there isn’t?

I don't think a Catholic is going to give a shit about a voodoo priest.

Plus he denied it straight away.

Plus he went to a different club anyway. 

He didn't want to play for us anymore, and I don't blame him. 

 

 

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I don’t get to the home games due mainly to the distance and then trying to get a ticket is hard which is a good thing means the support is good. 

But Moshiri shouldn’t take the love and money you guys that go to the games put in for granted, he needs to hear what the supporters feel and see the dross being served up and respond quickly, ignoring the poison in the club won’t make it go away but it will drive the support away sooner or later. 

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He has done his job and found an owner for us. Wish him all the best in his twilight years, a man who truly loves the club.

Best news is that the other two are rumoured to be following at the end of the season.

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thank Bill you are a bloody hero in my books you paid out more than you could safely do and no matter how wrong your decisions may have been you did it for the love of the club.  it is just sad you did not get what you wanted the club to achieve.

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33 minutes ago, Lowensda said:

Not sure if posted yet.

https://evertonthat.com/2018/03/05/exclusive-bill-kenwright-expected-to-leave-his-role-by-the-end-of-the-month/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

"EXCLUSIVE: Bill Kenwright expected to leave his role by the end of the month"

Maybe true, but no way Elstone is going back to rugby management having gotten into the much higher compensating world of managing big football clubs.

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2 minutes ago, rubecula said:

thank Bill you are a bloody hero in my books you paid out more than you could safely do and no matter how wrong your decisions may have been you did it for the love of the club.  it is just sad you did not get what you wanted the club to achieve.

spot on rubes, i've come full circle on him, thought he was a fraud for a while but more i've followed the club i realize what he's meant to us.  hope moshiri names a stand or box or something after him in the new stadium.

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1 minute ago, markjazzbassist said:

spot on rubes, i've come full circle on him, thought he was a fraud for a while but more i've followed the club i realize what he's meant to us.  hope moshiri names a stand or box or something after him in the new stadium.

Philip Carter should get it before Bill and imho Sir John Moores gets it before anyone.  but your sensibilities do you very well Mark.  thank you ....

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4 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

spot on rubes, i've come full circle on him, thought he was a fraud for a while but more i've followed the club i realize what he's meant to us.  hope moshiri names a stand or box or something after him in the new stadium.

Jesus Christ I hope not. I won’t be sitting in it if that mad day ever happens. 

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18 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

spot on rubes, i've come full circle on him, thought he was a fraud for a while but more i've followed the club i realize what he's meant to us.  hope moshiri names a stand or box or something after him in the new stadium.

The irony wouldn'tbe lost on me.... a bloke who failed to deliver kings dock, was associated with the Kirby flat pack plans would get a stand named after him in a stadium built by the new owner.....

He landed us with Sir Phillip Green.... leave it at that. 

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