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Efc should not just be turned I to hope and exsistance year upon year. Ambition breeds success. Isn't that what football's about?

 

No. But you need to accept that we're not competing in the same league financially as United, Liverpool etc There's no point getting upset about it because it's just how it is. The fact that we are still competing with them all on the pitch despite being paupers in comparison is something that makes me very proud.

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What the fuck are you on about? You're getting wound up because of the rumours in the press? Most of them will be bullshit anyway.

Get a grip lad.

Get off ya horse you little prick.and dontdon't call me lad, im not your lad you little scally bellend. Am on here to air my views, frustrations and creditations to the club.

How is us being linked with everyone and nothing substantial, the shite just spending £25 million, the mancs spending £58 million and the only true transfer movement involving keeping players on perminant deals got to do with rumours you little meff!

 

There's good old stevO firmly got his finger on the pulse, never judges the club and supports through thick and thin whilst never questioning the club's integrity. Good look with that numpty!!

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Cant remember Haf. :-)

 

In all seriousness though, I'm so k to death of the stereotype gotta back BK and the club at ant costs. Why is it that as soon as a number of voices start questioning BK's integrity another buy out rumour starts appearing and then nothing comes of it.

 

I would like to come back to this forum after we struggle heavily for a season and no funds are available cause I guarantee these same 'we've done well so far' will be screaming for the guys head.

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Cant remember Haf. :-)

 

In all seriousness though, I'm so k to death of the stereotype gotta back BK and the club at ant costs. Why is it that as soon as a number of voices start questioning BK's integrity another buy out rumour starts appearing and then nothing comes of it.

 

I would like to come back to this forum after we struggle heavily for a season and no funds are available cause I guarantee these same 'we've done well so far' will be screaming for the guys head.

 

Sure StevO's perfectly capable of defending himself but as he's not around it's worth pointing out that he's one of BK and the board's biggest and most articulate critics on here, so he's a long way from being the sort of person you're describing.

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It's about sustaining progression. It happened under Moyes. But when the squad needed financial backing from 2010/11 onwards it wasn't there and we started to stagnate again.

 

Under Kenwright that's what you get a little bit of belief then we fall slightly away. It's a vicious circle.

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Sure StevO's perfectly capable of defending himself but as he's not around it's worth pointing out that he's one of BK and the board's biggest and most articulate critics on here, so he's a long way from being the sort of person you're describing.

I think it was more the tone of Stev0's response.

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I think it was more the tone of Stev0's response.

 

Realise that, it was the...

 

"There's good old stevO firmly got his finger on the pulse, never judges the club and supports through thick and thin whilst never questioning the club's integrity."

 

...bit that was wide of the mark; the hissy fits they can take behind the bike shed :P.

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The Kenwright topic has been done over and over. It's just something we have to live with. Firm believer there is two reasons the club hasn't been sold.

 

1. Kenwright and co want too much

2. Nobody is actually interested in taking the debt and the stadium on

 

It's a huge project and would cost circa £350m to buy shares, build stadium and clear debt. That's without putting a penny into the first team. Also we just aren't a profitable business. We aren't a big enough brand on a whole.

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Realise that, it was the...

 

"There's good old stevO firmly got his finger on the pulse, never judges the club and supports through thick and thin whilst never questioning the club's integrity."

 

...bit that was wide of the mark; the hissy fits they can take behind the bike shed :P.

...and my response was to the childish response of 'what the fuck you on about' and 'get a grip lad' I expect to hear the latter on the nearest street corner with a can of wild 'n' white in his hand. Grow up that's all!

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I'll be honest here Brett, if you reacted like that with a member I'm pretty sure I'd be taking it a lot worse, and I'll save the hassle and direct you the the site rules.

 

Back to my point, you're throwing a fit about the rumours from the press. Most of them are probably just made up. So I'll carry on being a bellend, I'm sure you will too as you have done it pretty well since day one, you carry on getting wound up by the made up rumours. If it helps, go and read the Samaras rumours. They'll really make your day.

 

Now stop acting like a kid, lad!

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I'll be honest here Brett, if you reacted like that with a member I'm pretty sure I'd be taking it a lot worse, and I'll save the hassle and direct you the the site rules.

 

Back to my point, you're throwing a fit about the rumours from the press. Most of them are probably just made up. So I'll carry on being a bellend, I'm sure you will too as you have done it pretty well since day one, you carry on getting wound up by the made up rumours. If it helps, go and read the Samaras rumours. They'll really make your day.

 

Now stop acting like a kid, lad!

Plassy scouser!!!

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Joe Anderson hints that a stadium announcement is on the way..

 

Tweet from Fan # 1: [Robert Elstone] said at the AGM that the Board needed to make a decision [on the stadium] in the summer.

 

Tweet from Fan # 2: in fairness to the CEO he didn't say which summer

 

Tweet from Joe Anderson: Now we all know summer is not yet over and things are still set to bloom.

 

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Even if they do announce something finding the money to build it is a completely different thing.

 

makis there is probably a few ways to have stadiums built I dont think you have to have the money up front plus I think financially we are in a better position than we have been for years due to tv and sky revenue.

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Even if they do announce something finding the money to build it is a completely different thing.

If we continue to make the 33m from the new TV money and stick a 3rd of that away, we can start to fund a stadium. It just wont happen soon, regardless of any annoucements

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Everton wouldn't get anywhere near what someone like Arsenal got for the naming rights.

 

There will be a big chunk of money that the club will need to pay. It doesn't matter is it's a lease where ownership is transffered eventually or simply a loan, club needs to cough up money every year for something like 20-25 years.

 

If we spend the extra income on the stadium it will mean others can spend much more on players making it a lot harder to keep up. A lot of that 33 million will quite soon be eaten up by wages anyway.

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I have posted this before but it is worth repeating. I can't believe some of the stick that Bill Kenwright gets.

He is not perfect, no one is, but take a look at some of the other owners/chairmen of Premiership clubs and be careful what you wish for. At least we have a dyed in the wool, true Evertonian as chairman.

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I have posted this before but it is worth repeating. I can't believe some of the stick that Bill Kenwright gets.

He is not perfect, no one is, but take a look at some of the other owners/chairmen of Premiership clubs and be careful what you wish for. At least we have a dyed in the wool, true Evertonian as chairman.

Yep, you've posted it before, like the other hindered. The thing the gets me is if we had a billionaire from Arabia come in and we won the league, everyone would be creaming in there kecks and would never post such shit again about kenwright. He's either steady the ship or held us back. Up to you how you look at it.

I will ask you this though. Would you be happy with keeping kenwright in full control for the next ten years whilst watching what the other teams are doing?

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I will ask you this though. Would you be happy with keeping kenwright in full control for the next ten years whilst watching what the other teams are doing?

 

Wind the clock back ten years to 2004 and ask the same question. Imagine responses. Doom, gloom, relegation guaranteed.

 

I think people would be quite happy (and amazed) at how far we've come since then with Kenwright in "full control".

 

You're blinded by irrational hatred Brett, there are many on here who question the board (quite rightly at times) but they give credit where it's due. Anti Bill platitudes are easy but there are far fewer blues taking them at face value than there were.

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He also wanted to build the Kirkby disaster (and I'm not even talking about it being outside the city). He has lied to and mislead fans. He stopped King's Dock just so he could keep control. He has sold everything, borrowed and leased. Commercial deals are poor.He can't hire a good CEO to save his life and clings on to useless ones.

 

Increased TV money is the only thing that has kept the club afloat.

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He also wanted to build the Kirkby disaster (and I'm not even talking about it being outside the city). He has lied to and mislead fans. He stopped King's Dock just so he could keep control. He has sold everything, borrowed and leased. Commercial deals are poor.He can't hire a good CEO to save his life and clings on to useless ones.

 

Increased TV money is the only thing that has kept the club afloat.

 

Every club has had increased TV money, how are we floating so much higher than any other comparable club?

 

More platitudes.

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Wind the clock back ten years to 2004 and ask the same question. Imagine responses. Doom, gloom, relegation guaranteed.

 

I think people would be quite happy (and amazed) at how far we've come since then with Kenwright in "full control".

 

You're blinded by irrational hatred Brett, there are many on here who question the board (quite rightly at times) but they give credit where it's due. Anti Bill platitudes are easy but there are far fewer blues taking them at face value than there were.

if we had a buy out in 2004 (big investment) bill wouldn't have had time to get his hands on it. Also, how many teams in 2004 had big investment. It's completely different in the next yen years cause the gulf will be too big soon and there will only be one team in liverpool. Also liverpool were supposedly 24 hours from bankruptcy yet look at them now. Never looked back. Some times chances need to be taken.

When Johnson was spending big left, right and centre where you sitting there wishing for more stability or where you excited by the future prospect of everton becoming a big power again? I'll answer it, it was the latter. If bill kenwright advised fans on how much the club is up for sale for and gave in depth analysis on every possible buyer / offer them and only then would I be satisfied cause the man is hiding information and holding back possible buy out scenarios to gain stature. Think what you like, he will always be a fake to me.

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if we had a buy out in 2004 (big investment) bill wouldn't have had time to get his hands on it. Also, how many teams in 2004 had big investment. It's completely different in the next yen years cause the gulf will be too big soon and there will only be one team in liverpool. Also liverpool were supposedly 24 hours from bankruptcy yet look at them now. Never looked back. Some times chances need to be taken.

When Johnson was spending big left, right and centre where you sitting there wishing for more stability or where you excited by the future prospect of everton becoming a big power again? I'll answer it, it was the latter. If bill kenwright advised fans on how much the club is up for sale for and gave in depth analysis on every possible buyer / offer them and only then would I be satisfied cause the man is hiding information and holding back possible buy out scenarios to gain stature. Think what you like, he will always be a fake to me.

 

Pointless debate. Completely laughable argument for me so no point in taking this any further; stay in your blinkered dwindling minority and be happy slagging the man off with like minded blues. Whatever makes you happy.

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Pointless debate. Completely laughable argument for me so no point in taking this any further; stay in your blinkered dwindling minority and be happy slagging the man off with like minded blues. Whatever makes you happy.

Being a minority doesn't automatically make it wrong. Follow the crowd and keep biging up bill. Its laughable how he gains plaudits for the way he has handled the club.

We have had successful seasons because of what's happened on the pitch. Granted, he made the managerial appointments but over the years he's sold the likes of Rooney, arteta, Lescott, rodwell, fellaini, which in turn, has helped line our managers pockets. Even then the ratio outgoings / incomings doesn't add up.

We've been a stable club over the past ten years, not due to BK but due to the players and the manager.

And to say I'm blinkered is (pot calling kettle) cause take out lukaku deal, any other transfers have been down to RM's persuasion and Wigan links.

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There are only 2 dealings in which Bill has failed in my opinion; Kings Dock and Robert Elstone. Otherwise, he has done good work.

 

Externalizing is the norm in big business, as is selling off assets that dont create a profit on an annual basis for a lump sum. From what I understand, it helps with your CAPEX and OPEX meaning you get to be more creative with your books and save money. So theres nothing special or surprising about how we have gone about our business. As for knowing the price of the club, like it or not it has nothing to do with us and would be a suicide move in negotiations to make it public. People not knowing is for the good of the club, whether you like it or not.

 

If you want to hate, at least get facts right and be constructive with your arguments. For example, Elstone is responsible for the pathetic deal with Kitbag and Chang, not Kenwright. So point fingers, if you must, at the right person. Be balanced, accept the good and bad (I dont mean 1 single statement along the lines of "well yeah, hes done one or 2 good things but what about....").

 

And dont get me started on Johnson....

 

I cant believe I've let myself get caught up in this debate again. Haf, please dont bite :P

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There are only 2 dealings in which Bill has failed in my opinion; Kings Dock and Robert Elstone. Otherwise, he has done good work.

 

You don't think Destination Kirkby was a failure? You don't think giving a manager the NTL money before we had it putting us into financial trouble for a long time was a failure?

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You don't think Destination Kirkby was a failure? You don't think giving a manager the NTL money before we had it putting us into financial trouble for a long time was a failure?

like I said, if you want to finger point, aim it at the right person ;)

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Bill made two sound managerial appointments. They have and probably will save his arse.

 

However the kings dock failure, the fortress fund lies, NTL spend against money that wasnt there. The flawed Kirby proposal which seen millions squandered.

 

Cloak and dagger goings on with the likes of Ian Ross and banning agms all just indicate wrong doings at our club.

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CEO in my opinion, but I'm not getting dragged into all this again ;)

Facts are kenwright is responsible.

 

Kirkby project originated in 2006, Elstone took over as CEO in 2008

 

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/deal-away---two-hours-3561125

 

The NTL fiasco was a complete and utter mess. Authorising £19m transfer spend without anything being signed plunging us into massive debt that wasn't able to be controlled.

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Like I said, I'm not going into this again.

If it was down to opinion Matt then I would say fair enough, but you are stating something that is factually incorrect.

 

The fact is that Kenwright pushed for Kirby, he stated goodison was about to lose its safety certificate which was a lie.

 

He also "sanctioned" the spending of money we didn't have which crippled us in interest costs leaving us at the banks mercy, this ironically meaning he couldn't sanction much needed transfers in later years.

 

He has got credit for "finding" the money to buy lukaku, but he escapes criticism for spending money we didn't have?

 

Nah not having it.

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I'm a big critic of his. I genuinely think he thinks he is doing whats best 100% of the time.

 

He lied about the FSF, i think because he wanted to keep hold of the club and thought he was the best man for the job, even though i disagree with it. unforgivable lies.

 

NTL was a strange one, no one was expecting them to fold like they did. Counted his chickens before they had hatched in my book, probably not wanting to miss out on transfer targets. but still a massive failure.

 

Kirkby was a massive fuck up, and an expensive one, i do think he expected it would go ahead, and that investment would follow (maybe he had something lined up but we will never know). divided the fans big time, luckily these divides have closed considerably.

 

banning AGMs, a bit petulant to be honest, i dont want to answer questions from these fellas who dont like me so i'll just shut up shop until they back off. indefensable, he owes the shareholders the chance to ask what they like, its his responsability to do so.

 

Some things are not forgivable for me, and i never will, the Kings dock was the one time we really needed to find the money, any chance of progress was missed in that deal going out the window and i will always remember him as the man who could not deliver it.

 

But i will give him credit, he has steadied the ship, he has brought in managers who have done a great job, he has kept us afloat. The times he has had to sell players to keep the wolves from the door will have hurt him as much as us. He wont have wanted to sell Rooney, but he had to to keep the club from going under. I'm still gutted about that now, but i understand.

 

he is very far from perfect, but hes done what he could with what he had. When we've worried about the future of the club, without the full facts, he has been the one with the real pressure. he doesnt want to be the man who ruined Everton, i hope for his sake he pulls off the ground move and when he leaves it will be as the hero he wants to be, not the villian that cost us.

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How is it that you feel Kenwright failed with KD but it was someone else's fault with Kirkby?

Kenwright seems to get a torrid time off some, and an easy ride off the rest.

 

I can find some positives for Kenwright, but unfortunately the negatives have been glaring.

 

He's not the worst chairman in the world, The venkys etc ensure that we can't be too critical of Bill and always mean that cautious fans are scared of selling the club.

 

However the trail of destruction that many of his poor decisions have caused means that we were at Moyes mercy for so long as a book balancer as opposed to a cavalier progressive manager.

 

We may be getting somewhere now but we have lost so much ground, we are playing in an outdated stadium with little to no commercial opportunities versus our rivals. We continue to look second rate off the field and have embarrassing amateur mistakes continuously made.

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I'm a big critic of his. I genuinely think he thinks he is doing whats best 100% of the time.

 

He lied about the FSF, i think because he wanted to keep hold of the club and thought he was the best man for the job, even though i disagree with it. unforgivable lies.

 

NTL was a strange one, no one was expecting them to fold like they did. Counted his chickens before they had hatched in my book, probably not wanting to miss out on transfer targets. but still a massive failure.

 

Kirkby was a massive fuck up, and an expensive one, i do think he expected it would go ahead, and that investment would follow (maybe he had something lined up but we will never know). divided the fans big time, luckily these divides have closed considerably.

 

banning AGMs, a bit petulant to be honest, i dont want to answer questions from these fellas who dont like me so i'll just shut up shop until they back off. indefensable, he owes the shareholders the chance to ask what they like, its his responsability to do so.

 

Some things are not forgivable for me, and i never will, the Kings dock was the one time we really needed to find the money, any chance of progress was missed in that deal going out the window and i will always remember him as the man who could not deliver it.

 

But i will give him credit, he has steadied the ship, he has brought in managers who have done a great job, he has kept us afloat. The times he has had to sell players to keep the wolves from the door will have hurt him as much as us. He wont have wanted to sell Rooney, but he had to to keep the club from going under. I'm still gutted about that now, but i understand.

 

he is very far from perfect, but hes done what he could with what he had. When we've worried about the future of the club, without the full facts, he has been the one with the real pressure. he doesnt want to be the man who ruined Everton, i hope for his sake he pulls off the ground move and when he leaves it will be as the hero he wants to be, not the villian that cost us.

 

Agree with every word.

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Agree with every word.

 

Thanks Mark, i do try my best :wub:

 

 

Would you go into business with BK? The answer would always be no, no,no. The honesty is not there which can be backed up on numerous points stevo has covered. Without honesty lies deceit. Never to be trusted.

 

I'd make a theatre production with him, guaranteed return on investment!

 

This might sound a bit daft, but maybe a new stadium could include a little theatre and make some money from his talents on the side.

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Like I said, I'm not going into this again.

But you did go into it. If you didn't want to then why post earlier?

 

The past posts have been factual, not a pulse survey. If we appraised Kenwright using pulse surveys everything would be Rosie after signing Rom, Besic, a good finish to last year etc.

 

The thing is, some of us have good memories.

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Can't believe Im going to repeat myself again and get myself stuck in this stupid debate for the umpteenth ...

 

CEO is someone responsible for getting things realized, Chairman will initiate ideas and act as a spokes man. If a project is launched before the CEO is appointed, so what? Its the CEO and the project team to implement and ongoing project.

 

I dont talk about FSF because I don't know enough about it, same with NTL. I am not defending or agreeing because I havent the information available to formalize an educated opinion. If someone whats to show me project charters, budgets and timelines, etc. I'll happily educate myself and form an opinion. If BK is "factually" at fault, show me evidence.

 

Mark, you have a fair point. I should be pointing my finger at the old CEO instead of BK for Kings Dock, but since I can't remember who that is at the moment, and since it happened whilst BK was in charge, I'm finger pointing incorrectly because of ignorance.

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The downside of billionaire owners. Nottingham Forest have had the name of their ground changed. According to newspaper reports, they have also sold two players to Newcastle without the managers knowledge. Stuart Pearce said that the first he heard about it was when one of the players told him he had a medical at 2.00pm in Newcastle.

At least with Bill we know that, unlike Cardiff, our shirts will never be changed to red. Or, unlike Hull, the name of the club will be sacrosanct.

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I'm a big critic of his. I genuinely think he thinks he is doing whats best 100% of the time.

 

He lied about the FSF, i think because he wanted to keep hold of the club and thought he was the best man for the job, even though i disagree with it. unforgivable lies.

 

NTL was a strange one, no one was expecting them to fold like they did. Counted his chickens before they had hatched in my book, probably not wanting to miss out on transfer targets. but still a massive failure.

 

Kirkby was a massive fuck up, and an expensive one, i do think he expected it would go ahead, and that investment would follow (maybe he had something lined up but we will never know). divided the fans big time, luckily these divides have closed considerably.

 

banning AGMs, a bit petulant to be honest, i dont want to answer questions from these fellas who dont like me so i'll just shut up shop until they back off. indefensable, he owes the shareholders the chance to ask what they like, its his responsability to do so.

 

Some things are not forgivable for me, and i never will, the Kings dock was the one time we really needed to find the money, any chance of progress was missed in that deal going out the window and i will always remember him as the man who could not deliver it.

 

But i will give him credit, he has steadied the ship, he has brought in managers who have done a great job, he has kept us afloat. The times he has had to sell players to keep the wolves from the door will have hurt him as much as us. He wont have wanted to sell Rooney, but he had to to keep the club from going under. I'm still gutted about that now, but i understand.

 

he is very far from perfect, but hes done what he could with what he had. When we've worried about the future of the club, without the full facts, he has been the one with the real pressure. he doesnt want to be the man who ruined Everton, i hope for his sake he pulls off the ground move and when he leaves it will be as the hero he wants to be, not the villian that cost us.

Great post StevO!

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