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Would Fellaini fit in our team today?

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Yes, he would be a starter, remember him against city where he took the piss against Bellamy? His display that day was one of dominance. He has a good engine, good tackler, passing is ok I guess, good footballing brain, good defensively at set pieces as well as attacking them. Needs to be at a constant level really which was not often for us, 2 games were fantastic then two games, well average I guess. Anyone has the MoM stats for him over the years, that will tell it's own story. Strange we were always linked with McCarthy and hardly anyone else? While Felli was always linked with a ''top four'' club? And yes he would fit in with our new style of play.

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He'd be a huge asset to the squad without a doubt......not necessarily a guaranteed starting XI place any more given our current group (I've been listening to Roberto :P), but then nobody in a team pushing at the top of the table should be guaranteed a start.

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I'm just thinking that our style of play is quite different now, and Fellaini, to some extent, represented the old style. I'm just wondering whether he would have adapted quite as well as other players.

Not a strong argument that....howard, baines, jags, distin, coleman, miralles, pienaar, osman...and the rest...have had to adjust. Cant see why Fellaini would struggle. And I say that because I thought the same at first!!!

 

He's a good player...would have been ace either in Barrys place or alongside Barry.

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He'd still fit in but I'm glad we sold him when we did. 27M for him was good business and probably at this point in time the most we would have gotten for him and we have more than adequately replaced him in McCarthy and Barry.

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If Fellaini was still a member of the Everton squad, where would he fit in the team? Would he even be a starter?

 

No goddamn surprise, and being quick, of course the player could still be accomodated. Others have mentioned no regrets about his departure and the club brought in a good profit from the sale from what initially paid. Simply wasn't able to replicate his previous performances towards the end of his career at this club and even now, hasn't featured at all prominent with his new employers. Maybe he wouldn't necessarily get a starting place now, but would still be a valuable commodity but even then would he fit in with Martinez' style of management ? As Fellaini is no longer our business any subsequent talk would seem immaterial. Yes he could fit in the team, No I don't think as an automatic selection, and No, wouldn't want his return (either).

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He was probably the one player who optimised the old regime, after Cahill left anyway.

I loved him when he was here, but McCarthy looks twice the player in this system.

Felli has never played in a squad indie RM so I wouldn't say McCarthy is twice the player. That's not meant to disrespect JM by the way! I'm just saying it's like comparing apples and pizza.

 

Felli took a while to adapt Moyes' style, still not sure he ever did to be honest, because he was constantly played out of position. I think under RM he would go on to fulfill the potential which was always clearly there. Still, it's a moot point as he won't come back.

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I think he would fit in just fine, even better perhaps that under Moyes. A holding midfielder wouldn't be high up my list of priorities for the club though. I'd rather see the staff pursue players for other positions, notably a quality permanent striker.

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He would be an asset to most clubs however would I pick him over McCarthy, Barry or Barkley??? The answer is no.

 

It's not bitterness, it's a case of understanding his attributes versus the model that Martinez has built.

 

For me he lacks the mobility, passing range and discipline to be a part of the new look Everton. At times under Moyes he looked a £50m player, but that was because we set up to his strengths.

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Felli has never played in a squad indie RM so I wouldn't say McCarthy is twice the player. That's not meant to disrespect JM by the way! I'm just saying it's like comparing apples and pizza.

 

Felli took a while to adapt Moyes' style, still not sure he ever did to be honest, because he was constantly played out of position. I think under RM he would go on to fulfill the potential which was always clearly there. Still, it's a moot point as he won't come back.

I get your point Matt. Maybe twice as good was the wrong way to put it. We saw the best of Fellaini probably in the game against City where he dominated from deep, and United where he dominated from the front. But these performances were few and far between. From 6/10 to 9/10 game by game.

In terms of McCarthy, I don't think I've seen him get lower than 7/10, but consistently game after game his standards stay high. I don't think we would ever have got that kind of consistency from Fellaini. But we got £27m, and I think we are all very happy with that.

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He would be an asset to most clubs however would I pick him over McCarthy, Barry or Barkley??? The answer is no.

It's not bitterness, it's a case of understanding his attributes versus the model that Martinez has built.

For me he lacks the mobility, passing range and discipline to be a part of the new look Everton. At times under Moyes he looked a £50m player, but that was because we set up to his strengths.

agree with most of that, but passing range is a harsh criticism. Last season, his link up play with the wingers and FBs was great, he was always there completing the triangle.

 

Again, he's not really played in a possession based, passing team like we have now (though we did have some great passing games under Moyes too). I think he would comfortably work in the team, but like you said not ahead of our central 3 at the moment.

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I think that Martinez knew exactly what he was doing on deadline day. Hold out to the last hour and get the best price possible for a player £27,000,000 he didn't fancy.

 

We pulled United's pants down on that one.

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No he wouldn't....

 

I would rather have Barry playing the Fellaini and McCarthy is our most consistent player. Fellaini when he was at Everton he wasn't consistent enough. Some games he could be unplayable.....other times it looked like he couldn't play football....

Barry and McCarthy are both more consistent I think anyway.

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Up £14m by releasing him and getting in McCarthy. Great business in anyone's book, surely ?

 

No question......I still think we'd be a stronger squad with him in it though.....even though we're a stronger squad with him gone :huh:.

 

If you see what I mean :unsure:.

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Happily have him back. Imagine how much better he'd be at sweeping up at the back if Barry coaches him along with RM.

 

I'd rather just keep the money in our pocket. Obviously we wouldn't be paying £27.5m for him but he'd still cost us more than we originally paid for him. It's just not worth it and neither is he.

 

Martinez was always happy to get shut of him, there's a reason for that.

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I'd rather just keep the money in our pocket. Obviously we wouldn't be paying £27.5m for him but he'd still cost us more than we originally paid for him. It's just not worth it and neither is he.

 

Martinez was always happy to get shut of him, there's a reason for that.

So he could buy McCarthy and have cash to find a striker. Which in the bigger picture was the smart thing to do.

 

But if he's available at a good price we should be in for him. One of the best DM's I've saw, if we had Felli sitting, McCarthy running and Barkley behind the striker Everton would be up there with most midfields in the world. If Barkley's defensive ability improves they could all swap positions temporarily during the game so we could play more towards total football as well.

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We need a striker first. Get that, then we can consider getting Felliani, because I do believe we need a other CM... Also, a winger and CB. I don't think we'll have enough cash to spend on a good striker AND Felliani though.

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The only thing I am sure of is that Bobby would get a lot more out of Felli than Moyes ever did or will.

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http://vimeo.com/57694849

 

Snuffs out the opposition before they get into our third and then gets the ball forward. Let him do what he's best at every week and you will find one of the best DM's there will ever be.

 

Plus with our possession play his heading ability would help combat long balls from the opposition.

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Undoubtedly that was his finest game for us but he was too inconsistent for me. At his best, superb and I would love him back. But too often he seemed to be having an off day for me.

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So he could buy McCarthy and have cash to find a striker. Which in the bigger picture was the smart thing to do.

 

But if he's available at a good price we should be in for him. One of the best DM's I've saw, if we had Felli sitting, McCarthy running and Barkley behind the striker Everton would be up there with most midfields in the world. If Barkley's defensive ability improves they could all swap positions temporarily during the game so we could play more towards total football as well.

 

One of the best DM's you've ever saw? Lol

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At his best he's a fantastic player, but his best only happens about three times a season with the rest of his games being a bit meh. Meaning he's not worth the money we'd have to pay to bring him back - there's no way United would accept less than £15m we paid for him in the first place.

 

I'd much rather have someone who may not be as good as Fellaini at his best but be a consistent performer who you can rely on.

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I think any most recent responses have put things into perspective well enough on this issue. Fellaini is a useful player for sure, can create and score chances, menace opposition defenses, but these occasions would seem to few and far between. Had a few eventful years at the club but in the end, it was mighty fine business that we received some £ 28,000,000 from Manchester United for his services at the time of departure. Bottom line, we don't need him back as the current set-up is working well enough as it is. Had his time here - wasn't as successful as it could've been - had a transfer away - move on.

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At his best he's a fantastic player, but his best only happens about three times a season with the rest of his games being a bit meh. Meaning he's not worth the money we'd have to pay to bring him back - there's no way United would accept less than £15m we paid for him in the first place.

 

I'd much rather have someone who may not be as good as Fellaini at his best but be a consistent performer who you can rely on.

His best position is behind the striker. Last season nailed this.

 

Thing is the whole team has to play hoofball. I have no doubts he's a decent player to have in your squad but he really is a plan b player. Wouldn't get in this side IMO. Not under Martinez

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Don't see how you can use his consistency against him. He was played out of position every other week. Look at Arteta under Moyes, went missing and crabbed it far too often goes to Arsenal and they missed him more than when RVP wasn't playing.

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Not having a good time at Utd is he?

 

Utd fans think he's totally shite. Its a shame because he does have something more than just being a long ball player to offer.

 

But, such is life at the top and all that.

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He is a specialist defensive midfielder, the type that breaks play up and gives the ball to his team mates who are better on the ball. If you played him like that week in week out, especially in a defensive formation, he would be a stand out player but put him in any other role and he will be very inconsistent.

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He is a specialist defensive midfielder, the type that breaks play up and gives the ball to his team mates who are better on the ball. If you played him like that week in week out, especially in a defensive formation, he would be a stand out player but put him in any other role and he will be very inconsistent.

How does that make him a "specialist" that's what all DM's do and he's certainly not one of the best defensive midfielders. His best position is behind the striker.

 

He's a bang average player. Highly overrated by the likes of you. He's played as a sitter for United all season and has been shown up as shite.

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Check through man of match threads, read your own comments if you have forgotten what a great player Fellaini is.

 

People do forget quickly.

 

Still, would i have him back? Yes

Would he bench Barry or McCarthy? No not in his current form.

 

He is a typical example of a team selling their biggest and best player and improving on their over all squad. Id do the same with Baines in the summer if i knew that it would improve the squad. (Plus i have a small man crush on Oviedo) i love Baines to bits but if i knew it would improve the squad then its a no brainer

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How does that make him a "specialist" that's what all DM's do and he's certainly not one of the best defensive midfielders. His best position is behind the striker.

 

He's a bang average player. Highly overrated by the likes of you. He's played as a sitter for United all season and has been shown up as shite.

 

He is the type of player that sits just ahead of the CB's and stops any attacking plays. He isnt a defensive playmaker like Barry, he is a pure destroyer type, one that stops the floating creative players from doing anything whilst allowing the attacking players in his own team the freedom to be able to stay more on the front foot. There are lots of types of defensive midfielder and in truth they arent the type of player that you need in your team for every game of the season but that doesnt make it any less important.

 

How you can say his best position is behind the striker is beyond me. Average attacking positional awareness, average touch with his back to goal, average final third passer, average finisher... Yep definitely a number 10.

 

When I have seen him he hasnt been played as I suggester he should be. He has been more often than not as a box to box player, which he can do, but its not what he is best at doing. He played the majority of time with us either in that position or further forward. In terms of his overall football ability, I admit that I did overrate him a little after seeing how the likes of Barry and Mccarthy have come in and adapted to any role they are asked to play as it makes you appreciate the intelligence of those players (and Fellaini is far from intelligent!). Thats why Fellaini needs to see the whole game in front of him, he needs to be able to sit between the lines, break up attacks and then lay it off to those ahead of him, much like Carsley used to do, but at a much higher level.

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The one thing you expect from a DM is consistency. Fellaini never gave us that, one week 9/10 the next 5/10.

 

McCarthy and Barry are steady 7's and 8's - that's what you want.

 

Maybe because he barely ever played as a lone DM? Play him in that role and you will see 8/10 week in week out doing what he needs to do. Move him around, asking him to play in others, ask him to get forward and play with his back to goal you wont.

 

I'm not saying he would suit what we are doing mind you.

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He is the type of player that sits just ahead of the CB's and stops any attacking plays. He isnt a defensive playmaker like Barry, he is a pure destroyer type, one that stops the floating creative players from doing anything whilst allowing the attacking players in his own team the freedom to be able to stay more on the front foot. There are lots of types of defensive midfielder and in truth they arent the type of player that you need in your team for every game of the season but that doesnt make it any less important.

 

How you can say his best position is behind the striker is beyond me. Average attacking positional awareness, average touch with his back to goal, average final third passer, average finisher... Yep definitely a number 10.

 

When I have seen him he hasnt been played as I suggester he should be. He has been more often than not as a box to box player, which he can do, but its not what he is best at doing. He played the majority of time with us either in that position or further forward. In terms of his overall football ability, I admit that I did overrate him a little after seeing how the likes of Barry and Mccarthy have come in and adapted to any role they are asked to play as it makes you appreciate the intelligence of those players (and Fellaini is far from intelligent!). Thats why Fellaini needs to see the whole game in front of him, he needs to be able to sit between the lines, break up attacks and then lay it off to those ahead of him, much like Carsley used to do, but at a much higher level.

There is not even an argument that his best season was last season (behind the striker). He's played deeper this season for United and has been shite. Did you watch him at old Trafford against Bayern? He was lost.

 

He's overrated and I wouldn't want him anywhere near this team. He's not good enough. Especially as a DM

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Don't really want him back. I was a proponent of selling him in the summer and I'm glad we did. His first (non-chest) touch isn't good enough, his tactical awareness and positioning isn't good enough and he's often undisciplined on the pitch, especially if things don't go his way. IMO there's no way he can build up play as a holding midfielder if the opposition press high.

 

His aerial ability (up front or in front of the back four) is something we don't really have now, but its something I'm willing to give up in favour of what we do have now. Obviously we do need another midfielder in the summer, but not Fellaini for me.

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nope, i wanted him gone and was happy with the 27.5 mil we got.

Couldn't agree more. Thought he was crap when he first arrived, he had one good season and then that dummy-spit against Wigan in the cup semi, then he was really crap. Glad he went. The money we got for him was awesome and Moyes deserves what he's got now, 'cos now Fellaini is really really crap.

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I think this thread just goes to prove how fickle some Everton fans are

It took him time to settle at Everton yet people want to write him off after half a season at United

 

I think he would easily slot into our side as a DM and could be used behind the striker when we need a plan B, something we don't seem to have at the moment

 

Having said that I think it would cost too much to bring him back, but at the right price it's a no brainier

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Would I have him ahead of Barry and McCarthy as a DM? NOPE. Would I have him ahead of Naismith or Barkley as an AM - NOPE.

 

£27m - looks like the best piece of business we have done. I won't forget the great games he had for us, as he did dominate, unfortunately he had a Harry Kewell consistency to these performances.

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I think this thread just goes to prove how fickle some Everton fans are

It took him time to settle at Everton yet people want to write him off after half a season at United

 

I think he would easily slot into our side as a DM and could be used behind the striker when we need a plan B, something we don't seem to have at the moment

 

Having said that I think it would cost too much to bring him back, but at the right price it's a no brainier

 

 

Barkley, Naismith, Mirallas. Osman ?? Fellaini played well half a dozen times, but didnt play up to the 14million player we thought he was, so 27 million is an excellent price and a no brainer. No complaints from me to put 13 million in the bank, and also get McCarthy as a replacement.

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Barkley, Naismith, Mirallas. Osman ?? Fellaini played well half a dozen times, but didnt play up to the 14million player we thought he was, so 27 million is an excellent price and a no brainer. No complaints from me to put 13 million in the bank, and also get McCarthy as a replacement.

I'm not disputing that it wa a great bit of business but the question was would he fit into our team and I think the answer is yes

As peteo says his best position is as DM and I agree with him that he would be more consistent if he was played there week in week out. Does anyone think McCarthy and Barry would be churning out 7 out of 10 performances every week if they were asked to play out of position?

I think we could do with a another DM because if one of those two got injured we have no cover . Gibson will never be fit enough and so if the price was right I would gladly take him back

Don't get me wrong I wouldn't be interested at anywhere near the price they paid us for him

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