pete0 Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 (edited) http://vimeo.com/57694849 Snuffs out the opposition before they get into our third and then gets the ball forward. Let him do what he's best at every week and you will find one of the best DM's there will ever be. Plus with our possession play his heading ability would help combat long balls from the opposition. Edited April 12, 2014 by pete0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rusty747 Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 Undoubtedly that was his finest game for us but he was too inconsistent for me. At his best, superb and I would love him back. But too often he seemed to be having an off day for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 No thanks! I thought we'd moved on from this type of player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 So he could buy McCarthy and have cash to find a striker. Which in the bigger picture was the smart thing to do. But if he's available at a good price we should be in for him. One of the best DM's I've saw, if we had Felli sitting, McCarthy running and Barkley behind the striker Everton would be up there with most midfields in the world. If Barkley's defensive ability improves they could all swap positions temporarily during the game so we could play more towards total football as well. One of the best DM's you've ever saw? Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 At his best he's a fantastic player, but his best only happens about three times a season with the rest of his games being a bit meh. Meaning he's not worth the money we'd have to pay to bring him back - there's no way United would accept less than £15m we paid for him in the first place. I'd much rather have someone who may not be as good as Fellaini at his best but be a consistent performer who you can rely on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalziel Kane Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 I think any most recent responses have put things into perspective well enough on this issue. Fellaini is a useful player for sure, can create and score chances, menace opposition defenses, but these occasions would seem to few and far between. Had a few eventful years at the club but in the end, it was mighty fine business that we received some £ 28,000,000 from Manchester United for his services at the time of departure. Bottom line, we don't need him back as the current set-up is working well enough as it is. Had his time here - wasn't as successful as it could've been - had a transfer away - move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 At his best he's a fantastic player, but his best only happens about three times a season with the rest of his games being a bit meh. Meaning he's not worth the money we'd have to pay to bring him back - there's no way United would accept less than £15m we paid for him in the first place. I'd much rather have someone who may not be as good as Fellaini at his best but be a consistent performer who you can rely on. His best position is behind the striker. Last season nailed this. Thing is the whole team has to play hoofball. I have no doubts he's a decent player to have in your squad but he really is a plan b player. Wouldn't get in this side IMO. Not under Martinez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 Don't see how you can use his consistency against him. He was played out of position every other week. Look at Arteta under Moyes, went missing and crabbed it far too often goes to Arsenal and they missed him more than when RVP wasn't playing. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted April 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 What about loaning him back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 Not having a good time at Utd is he? Utd fans think he's totally shite. Its a shame because he does have something more than just being a long ball player to offer. But, such is life at the top and all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 Nope again. StevO and MC11 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 Meant to give Haf green there. There is absolutely no way we should consider bringing Fellaini back here. He's not what we need and is also vastly overrated as a player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 He is a specialist defensive midfielder, the type that breaks play up and gives the ball to his team mates who are better on the ball. If you played him like that week in week out, especially in a defensive formation, he would be a stand out player but put him in any other role and he will be very inconsistent. coxy051, Matt and pete0 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 (edited) He is a specialist defensive midfielder, the type that breaks play up and gives the ball to his team mates who are better on the ball. If you played him like that week in week out, especially in a defensive formation, he would be a stand out player but put him in any other role and he will be very inconsistent. How does that make him a "specialist" that's what all DM's do and he's certainly not one of the best defensive midfielders. His best position is behind the striker. He's a bang average player. Highly overrated by the likes of you. He's played as a sitter for United all season and has been shown up as shite. Edited April 13, 2014 by MiguelCotto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 The one thing you expect from a DM is consistency. Fellaini never gave us that, one week 9/10 the next 5/10. McCarthy and Barry are steady 7's and 8's - that's what you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 Check through man of match threads, read your own comments if you have forgotten what a great player Fellaini is. People do forget quickly. Still, would i have him back? Yes Would he bench Barry or McCarthy? No not in his current form. He is a typical example of a team selling their biggest and best player and improving on their over all squad. Id do the same with Baines in the summer if i knew that it would improve the squad. (Plus i have a small man crush on Oviedo) i love Baines to bits but if i knew it would improve the squad then its a no brainer coxy051 and pete0 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 I loved him on his great games, looked a £50m player. They were one in five though. You soon start to remember his games against Wigan in the fa cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 How does that make him a "specialist" that's what all DM's do and he's certainly not one of the best defensive midfielders. His best position is behind the striker. He's a bang average player. Highly overrated by the likes of you. He's played as a sitter for United all season and has been shown up as shite. He is the type of player that sits just ahead of the CB's and stops any attacking plays. He isnt a defensive playmaker like Barry, he is a pure destroyer type, one that stops the floating creative players from doing anything whilst allowing the attacking players in his own team the freedom to be able to stay more on the front foot. There are lots of types of defensive midfielder and in truth they arent the type of player that you need in your team for every game of the season but that doesnt make it any less important. How you can say his best position is behind the striker is beyond me. Average attacking positional awareness, average touch with his back to goal, average final third passer, average finisher... Yep definitely a number 10. When I have seen him he hasnt been played as I suggester he should be. He has been more often than not as a box to box player, which he can do, but its not what he is best at doing. He played the majority of time with us either in that position or further forward. In terms of his overall football ability, I admit that I did overrate him a little after seeing how the likes of Barry and Mccarthy have come in and adapted to any role they are asked to play as it makes you appreciate the intelligence of those players (and Fellaini is far from intelligent!). Thats why Fellaini needs to see the whole game in front of him, he needs to be able to sit between the lines, break up attacks and then lay it off to those ahead of him, much like Carsley used to do, but at a much higher level. coxy051 and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 The one thing you expect from a DM is consistency. Fellaini never gave us that, one week 9/10 the next 5/10. McCarthy and Barry are steady 7's and 8's - that's what you want. Maybe because he barely ever played as a lone DM? Play him in that role and you will see 8/10 week in week out doing what he needs to do. Move him around, asking him to play in others, ask him to get forward and play with his back to goal you wont. I'm not saying he would suit what we are doing mind you. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 (edited) He is the type of player that sits just ahead of the CB's and stops any attacking plays. He isnt a defensive playmaker like Barry, he is a pure destroyer type, one that stops the floating creative players from doing anything whilst allowing the attacking players in his own team the freedom to be able to stay more on the front foot. There are lots of types of defensive midfielder and in truth they arent the type of player that you need in your team for every game of the season but that doesnt make it any less important. How you can say his best position is behind the striker is beyond me. Average attacking positional awareness, average touch with his back to goal, average final third passer, average finisher... Yep definitely a number 10. When I have seen him he hasnt been played as I suggester he should be. He has been more often than not as a box to box player, which he can do, but its not what he is best at doing. He played the majority of time with us either in that position or further forward. In terms of his overall football ability, I admit that I did overrate him a little after seeing how the likes of Barry and Mccarthy have come in and adapted to any role they are asked to play as it makes you appreciate the intelligence of those players (and Fellaini is far from intelligent!). Thats why Fellaini needs to see the whole game in front of him, he needs to be able to sit between the lines, break up attacks and then lay it off to those ahead of him, much like Carsley used to do, but at a much higher level. There is not even an argument that his best season was last season (behind the striker). He's played deeper this season for United and has been shite. Did you watch him at old Trafford against Bayern? He was lost. He's overrated and I wouldn't want him anywhere near this team. He's not good enough. Especially as a DM Edited April 13, 2014 by MiguelCotto Matt, Ian C and pete0 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_E Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 Don't really want him back. I was a proponent of selling him in the summer and I'm glad we did. His first (non-chest) touch isn't good enough, his tactical awareness and positioning isn't good enough and he's often undisciplined on the pitch, especially if things don't go his way. IMO there's no way he can build up play as a holding midfielder if the opposition press high. His aerial ability (up front or in front of the back four) is something we don't really have now, but its something I'm willing to give up in favour of what we do have now. Obviously we do need another midfielder in the summer, but not Fellaini for me. MC11, Romey 1878 and Kant 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 nope, i wanted him gone and was happy with the 27.5 mil we got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oztoffee Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 nope, i wanted him gone and was happy with the 27.5 mil we got. Couldn't agree more. Thought he was crap when he first arrived, he had one good season and then that dummy-spit against Wigan in the cup semi, then he was really crap. Glad he went. The money we got for him was awesome and Moyes deserves what he's got now, 'cos now Fellaini is really really crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 I think this thread just goes to prove how fickle some Everton fans are It took him time to settle at Everton yet people want to write him off after half a season at United I think he would easily slot into our side as a DM and could be used behind the striker when we need a plan B, something we don't seem to have at the moment Having said that I think it would cost too much to bring him back, but at the right price it's a no brainier Pearso, Toffee_in_LA, coxy051 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 Would I have him ahead of Barry and McCarthy as a DM? NOPE. Would I have him ahead of Naismith or Barkley as an AM - NOPE. £27m - looks like the best piece of business we have done. I won't forget the great games he had for us, as he did dominate, unfortunately he had a Harry Kewell consistency to these performances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 (edited) I think this thread just goes to prove how fickle some Everton fans are It took him time to settle at Everton yet people want to write him off after half a season at United I think he would easily slot into our side as a DM and could be used behind the striker when we need a plan B, something we don't seem to have at the moment Having said that I think it would cost too much to bring him back, but at the right price it's a no brainier Barkley, Naismith, Mirallas. Osman ?? Fellaini played well half a dozen times, but didnt play up to the 14million player we thought he was, so 27 million is an excellent price and a no brainer. No complaints from me to put 13 million in the bank, and also get McCarthy as a replacement. Edited April 14, 2014 by Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 Barkley, Naismith, Mirallas. Osman ?? Fellaini played well half a dozen times, but didnt play up to the 14million player we thought he was, so 27 million is an excellent price and a no brainer. No complaints from me to put 13 million in the bank, and also get McCarthy as a replacement. I'm not disputing that it wa a great bit of business but the question was would he fit into our team and I think the answer is yes As peteo says his best position is as DM and I agree with him that he would be more consistent if he was played there week in week out. Does anyone think McCarthy and Barry would be churning out 7 out of 10 performances every week if they were asked to play out of position? I think we could do with a another DM because if one of those two got injured we have no cover . Gibson will never be fit enough and so if the price was right I would gladly take him back Don't get me wrong I wouldn't be interested at anywhere near the price they paid us for him Sibdane, Matt, coxy051 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hafnia Posted April 14, 2014 Popular Post Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 For me Fellaini lacks one key attribute to play in Martinez style of play - Passing. Anything more than a 15 yard ball becomes a risk for him. Compare him to Barry or McCarthy. His speed is the other issue, McCarthy demonstrates the ideal mobility for a DM, he eats up the ground, can accelerate and change direction better. Fellaini one vs one isn't good enough, he has more successful dribble attempts on him than anayone else. His physicality and ability to bring a long ball down is a good attribute, but we don't play in such a way that it would be a big asset to the team. Under Moyes - yes. Not being fickle, for a certain team he could be a very influential player - not ours. Matt, Ant1979, Kant and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted April 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 For me Fellaini lacks one key attribute to play in Martinez style of play - Passing. Anything more than a 15 yard ball becomes a risk for him. Compare him to Barry or McCarthy. His speed is the other issue, McCarthy demonstrates the ideal mobility for a DM, he eats up the ground, can accelerate and change direction better. Fellaini one vs one isn't good enough, he has more successful dribble attempts on him than anayone else. His physicality and ability to bring a long ball down is a good attribute, but we don't play in such a way that it would be a big asset to the team. Under Moyes - yes. Not being fickle, for a certain team he could be a very influential player - not ours. To support your statement about speed, remember that block made by McCarthy on Saturday? He raced back when the Sunderland player was clean in front of goal and saved the day. I could never see Fellaini doing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kant Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 (edited) I think he would easily slot into our side as a DM and could be used behind the striker when we need a plan B, something we don't seem to have at the moment I can't agree with this comment at all. Our current CMs are better than him, and for a plan B RM brought Lacina Traoré and his 6'7'' body. Lukaku is quite tall as well, and I imagine that if a goal is needed and those two were fit and ready to play, we can cross with Deulofeu, McGeady, Mirallas, Baines, Coleman and pack the box with Traoré, Lukaku and Distin/Jags/Stones. I pretty much fancy the A plan, with some other options as plan B (Naismith and his clever runs playing off the main striker, for example) rather than hoofing balls forward expecting something to happen. But if it has to happen, the team has the options. I feel the team has a different way of providing what he offered. Physicality: Lukaku. Long balls: instead of using the chest of someone, use the speed of Naismith, Deulofeu, Mirallas and McGeady. For me Fellaini lacks one key attribute to play in Martinez style of play - Passing. Anything more than a 15 yard ball becomes a risk for him. Compare him to Barry or McCarthy. His speed is the other issue, McCarthy demonstrates the ideal mobility for a DM, he eats up the ground, can accelerate and change direction better. Fellaini one vs one isn't good enough, he has more successful dribble attempts on him than anayone else. His physicality and ability to bring a long ball down is a good attribute, but we don't play in such a way that it would be a big asset to the team. Under Moyes - yes. Not being fickle, for a certain team he could be a very influential player - not ours. My thoughts exactly. Edited April 14, 2014 by Kant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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