Romey 1878 Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Brilliant way to show faith in the lad, Roberto, just brilliant. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 (edited) But also a way to put the ball in Lukes court. I am a big believer in the training pitch. Put yourself forward and make it hard for your manager not to pick you......don't walk away to wherever it may be easier to get in. Edited May 14, 2015 by Shukes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 But also a way to put the ball in Lukes court. I am a big believer in the training pitch. Put yourself forward and make it hard for your manager not to pick you......don't walk away to wherever it may be easier to get in. He can't go anywhere for the next two games, is our only fit LB, and has acquitted himself very well whenever he's been asked to step in but "we'll see" if he plays on Saturday? Utter bullshit from the king of bullshit. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 To be fair, we don't know the story but Garbutt may of told him he is definitely not signing and wants away. If that's the case He shouldn't play him. Not saying it is but if he doesn't play it COULD be why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 To be fair, we don't know the story but Garbutt may of told him he is definitely not signing and wants away. If that's the case He shouldn't play him. Not saying it is but if he doesn't play it COULD be why. great point pad. i understand everyone thinks garbutt is going to be the next greatest thing but take a journey with me to last season. Man United have Patrice Evra a quality LB who is getting up in age so they get rid of him by not re-signing him or offering him a deal. They get "next greatest young talent" Luke Shaw and Marcus Rojo. Neither guys pan out, Patrice Evra is in the CL final with Juve and has been a key part of their success in that solid back line. Let's not make the same mistake. Like my father says "1 in hand is better than 2 in the bush" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Baines is injured and we're talking about Garbutt coming in for the game on Saturday. Nothing about getting rid of Baines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elston Gunnn Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Baines is injured and we're talking about Garbutt coming in for the game on Saturday. Nothing about getting rid of Baines. Yes, this is the issue, Saturday, period. As I said in the earlier post, when I read RM's comment, my immediate, and utterly obvious, thought was, "Who else is there?" If by some very strange occurrence it is Barry, Besic, or Alcaraz, that just won't seem right at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Get rid of Oviedo and convince Luke to stay as Baines back up, with a view to slowly replace him. The lad is too much of a talent, and Oviedo can't stay fit after a terrible injury. I know which one I would rather keep hold of. I hope he wants to stay. Quinn31 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Baines is injured and we're talking about Garbutt coming in for the game on Saturday. Nothing about getting rid of Baines. people have earlier in the thread, me included, but i've turned about face. i'm addressing them. don't care who plays LB the next 2 matches, Jimmy the kit man is fine with me. Gwlad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 Garbutt is a very tidy player and has the ability to become a top pro. But he is not the star some are making out. He performed well when he came in, nothing great...just well. His cross big was a breath of fresh air...not because it was Amazing but because he crossed the ball. Baines mostly looks for the balls inside and one two's where Like wants to cross early. Lots of full backs do that. If he wants to go then I'm neither happy or sad. Plenty of players of his ability to replace him with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 I'm going to look back at this thread when we're scrambling around for a new LB in a couple of years and weep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 Good point Romey and my preference would be for him to stay...only if he is willing to fight to prove himself. It's not like he is in the wilderness, I could understand that. But this lad gets played when the opportunity is there. So if he wants to move it's because he either doesn't believe he is better than Oviedo or he wants an easier route to the first team....which isn't exactly a winning mentality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 People are definitely going overboard. Garbutt looks promising but so did players like Cadamarteri, Branch etc. Garbutt might become really good but it's far from certain at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 Good point Romey and my preference would be for him to stay...only if he is willing to fight to prove himself. It's not like he is in the wilderness, I could understand that. But this lad gets played when the opportunity is there. So if he wants to move it's because he either doesn't believe he is better than Oviedo or he wants an easier route to the first team....which isn't exactly a winning mentality. I don't really agree that he's had a fair crack tbh. Martinez said that Baines has had this ankle problem since 2012, so it would have made sense to have "managed" the injury this season by giving Garbutt more game time so Baines got some rest. But he hasn't done that. Elston Gunnn and Sibdane 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/evertons-luke-garbutt-should-trust-9265736? Trust Martinez? I think I'd go and look out the window to check if he told me the sky was blue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 (edited) I don't think people are going overboard as such Makis the potential is obviously there the main gauge for me is Baines who has been possibly the best LB or one of this league has had for a couple of years and although he's not at his peak Garbutt is comparable to him now ability wise at such a young age If not for having Baines and him being such a good player over the years Garbutt would surely be playing week in week out he's young talented and home grown three things which in todays game come at a premium and if we fuck up and he leaves we will undoubtedly kick ourselves in the near future Just compare him to Shaw and I know which one I'd rather have on our books Edited May 16, 2015 by EFC-Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 Clearly going elsewhere with Galloway in ahead of him today and Martinez building for the future! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 Clearly going elsewhere with Galloway in ahead of him today and Martinez building for the future! Just said the same in the match-day thread . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 Although Martinez will say Galloway's in there for the West Ham ariel threat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 Clearly going elsewhere with Galloway in ahead of him today and Martinez building for the future! Galloway playing LB is not the future. Galloway playing LB is fucking stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 Galloway playing LB is not the future. Galloway playing LB is fucking stupid. He deserves his debut by all accounts but playing him out of position is a big 'FUCK YOU' from Martinez to Garbutt. Fingers crossed that Martinez falls out with Kone and McGeady because he seems to hold a grudge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 He deserves his debut by all accounts but playing him out of position is a big 'FUCK YOU' from Martinez to Garbutt. Fingers crossed that Martinez falls out with Kone and McGeady because he seems to hold a grudge. I'm starting to hope the board give Martinez a big FUCK YOU... Really questioning how much I'd trust him with our future in his hands tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 Glad for Golloway. Feel for Garbutt but that's confirmed he's gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 over reaction on here by some for those that don't know Galloway has been playing left back for quite a while now and is quite capable he's good on the ball....what happened to why arnt we giving the kids a game ? I hope some will be pleasantly surprised. I hope so too because Everton winning is what matters to me. But, strangely, that isn't the first thing in Roberto's thinking. He'll be happy if we lose today but have 60% possession with Galloway having an 85% pass completion rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 I hope so too because Everton winning is what matters to me. But, strangely, that isn't the first thing in Roberto's thinking. He'll be happy if we lose today but have 60% possession with Galloway having an 85% pass completion rate. Hehe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 Is he not even on the bench? Surely that's the end of that then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 Is he not even on the bench? Surely that's the end of that then. He is on the bench, but it's still the end of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 i fully back martinez on this garbutt has had all season to sign so there you go.Agreed, but will still be sick if we lose him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 Glad for Golloway. Feel for Garbutt but that's confirmed he's gone. A squad represents a selection of talents and abilities that can be combined in various ways to emphasize your strengths and defuse the opponents' strengths. As was suggested, maybe Galloway is in there because his strengths are more appropriate against West Ham. Football should be a game of strategy, not a soap opera. If individuals get hurt simply because they don't get to play in a particular game, they need to get a life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 A squad represents a selection of talents and abilities that can be combined in various ways to emphasize your strengths and defuse the opponents' strengths. As was suggested, maybe Galloway is in there because his strengths are more appropriate against West Ham. Football should be a game of strategy, not a soap opera. If individuals get hurt simply because they don't get to play in a particular game, they need to get a life.spot on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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