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Haha oh yes the striker who is there to score goals missed all of his chances. I know lukaku has a poor all round game but please note haf, if he gets clear enough chances they are in the back of the net.

I take it you never watched the game? Just revelled in some OTT criticism. Most of it off Rangers fans who hate him for leaving.

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Watched the highlights, I actually think he played well. Yes he missed a couple that he may have done better with but the critcism is probably coming from rangers fans. OTT. His link up play was very good.

 

I take it you never watched the game? Just revelled in some OTT criticism. Most of it off Rangers fans who hate him for leaving.

 

Opinion turned to fact pretty quickly didn't it! I don't care how he performs for the Jocks as long as he keeps scoring for us!

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https://www.clubcall.com/everton/no-new-striker-talks-planned-1744650.html

 

Doesn't really tally with what he's done for other players, and himself!

Im not sure that he gives himself a new contract though Rom!

 

Not overly concerned really. As much as we appreciate how Naismith has stepped up, he's not of the same quality as those who got new contracts.

 

Plus it's not really the time of year that many contracts get looked at???

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Players don't need a new contract every time they perform well.

 

He has time on it, he's enjoying his football and he seems like someone that would be happy with what he's got anyway.

 

I'm sure they'll speak to him sometime between January and the summer to sort it out.

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Im not sure that he gives himself a new contract though Rom!

 

Not overly concerned really. As much as we appreciate how Naismith has stepped up, he's not of the same quality as those who got new contracts.

 

Plus it's not really the time of year that many contracts get looked at???

He's one of our better players. Absolute vital member of this "squad". With Barkley back we won't be reliant on him as much but he's certainly proved himself to be more than worthy. A natural finisher and a long with Mirallas should be offered a longer better deal. It's these type of players that will slip out of our hands if we don't act quickly.

 

Teams will be queuing for Naismith.

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I expect a 2 year deal to be offered in the summer. Well deserved if he carries on the way he is going. Typifies the professionalism and type of attitude we want from supposedly more lavishly gifted players.

That would make sense. Especially if he can keep going the way he has under RM.

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I've heard enough Reds saying that they wouldn't mind him in their team. That is saying something. There are players out there that whilst not being the most spectacular do an amazing job for the team.

 

Shane Long hasn't scored a goal for Southampton but he was outstanding for them against Sunderland. He has the same ethic as Naismith (both better in the air than they should be) - at £12m he is a little overpriced but gives an idea as to how much Naismith should be valued...

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Catch 22...as the players contract runs down, his transfer value goes down.

 

If anything is to happen, contract wise, it will most likely start after january. The more traditional era for contract negotiations to start.

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It's Mirallas who needs the new deal in all honesty. Naismith will gladly re-sign. Mirallas on the other hand could be swayed by a CL club and we'll end up with no fee or a small fee because he's only got 1 year left come the summer. Needs sorting. ASAP

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Maybe that's why he's not getting a contract. RM plans to sell big and use the money elsewhere. I love naisy as much as the next guy but depending on how much he was able to swindle a team out of, I woudlnt be that mad.

Not enough I'm afraid. Teams don't like paying big money for worth ethic alone. And outside of Everton he's not highly rated. I'd say we'd be lucky to get £10m for him. His value is probably between £8m & £10m based on the past 12 months.

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I probably shouldn't point this out as all hell will be unleashed on me but you said a couple of hours ago that 'teams will be queuing up for him', now you say 'he's not that highly rated outside of everton'. You maybe mean something else by that?

 

To be honest, I don't think we'd get that much for him. £8 mill max. He's a great player to have with his work ethic and more his in your face attitude. I love that about him. But as you say, it's not worth a lot of money on its own.

 

He is real useful to have though. No point in getting rid. Not yet.

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I probably shouldn't point this out as all hell will be unleashed on me but you said a couple of hours ago that 'teams will be queuing up for him', now you say 'he's not that highly rated outside of everton'. You maybe mean something else by that?

To be honest, I don't think we'd get that much for him. £8 mill max. He's a great player to have with his work ethic and more his in your face attitude. I love that about him. But as you say, it's not worth a lot of money on its own.

He is real useful to have though. No point in getting rid. Not yet.

He's never going to end up anywhere above us. I think we're about his level (so not highly rated amongst the big clubs). Teams below us would be queuing if he was available on a free or a couple of million.

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He's never going to end up anywhere above us. I think we're about his level (so not highly rated amongst the big clubs). Teams below us would be queuing if he was available on a free or a couple of million.

Gotchya. Definitely.

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Another Moyes signing.

To be fair, Moyes has only been gone one full season so most signings will be his! However, he didn't perform under Moyes???

 

Didn't we have a top notch scout? Did Chelsea or someone snap him up??? Can't remember his name.

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Great point MC. Another factor we are forgetting is that maybe they offered him a new deal and he didn't sign. What if he wants to go to a team and play every match instead of being a bench/rotation player. Maybe nothing's come out because he is a pro and classy and just wants to leave on good terms.

 

Not saying I think that's it, but just trying to get all the angles covered.

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Moyes signed him to play on the wingso not a great signing by him even if he may have been the manager when we brought him in. If Martinez hadnt of turned up we would have been calling for his head long before now!

That's debatable. Whilst he played there nearly all the time under Moyes we had no other options out wide at that time. It was also Mirallas first season and he was out a lot injured. Therefore we only really had Naismith to fill that position.

 

He did score a Hatrick playing off the striker in pre season under Moyes.

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That's debatable. Whilst he played there nearly all the time under Moyes we had no other options out wide at that time. It was also Mirallas first season and he was out a lot injured. Therefore we only really had Naismith to fill that position.

 

He did score a Hatrick playing off the striker in pre season under Moyes.

 

He had plenty of opportunity to play him up front if he had wished in the 2012-13 season.

 

His wide options were:

 

Oviedo, Barkley, Osman, Pienaar, Mirallas, Gueye and even Vic.

 

Bearing in mind we had only Vic and Jelavic who played upfront of which the latter was useless.

 

Oh and Mirallas played 27 games out of 38 in the league.

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He had plenty of opportunity to play him up front if he had wished in the 2012-13 season.

 

His wide options were:

 

Oviedo, Barkley, Osman, Pienaar, Mirallas, Gueye and even Vic.

 

Bearing in mind we had only Vic and Jelavic who played upfront of which the latter was useless.

 

Oh and Mirallas played 27 games out of 38 in the league.

Bold: clutching at straws with those names Bailey. Gueye not good enough (left sided player). Oviedo just brought in (left sided player). The rest can't consider them wide players at all.

 

Pienaar & Mirallas only viable wide players. Out of those 27 games Mirallas played I'm sure at least another 10 of those were cameo appearances. I remember him going of against Fulham or Stoke and Liverpool at home early of the top of my head. It got to the point were Moyes came out in the media and said he needed to toughen up. Moyes was bringing him off after 70mins every game.

 

Also Naismith mainly been operating in the hole (false 9). Fellaini had that position nailed. So to suggest he bought him to play out wide is still debatable.

 

I'm sure if Moyes had Pienaar, Mcgeady, Deulofeu, Mirallas available he wouldn't have been anywhere near the wings. Not suggesting he'd be near the starting 11 either but I'm sure he would have played more central if Fellaini wasn't about.

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Just looked I to Mirallas stats for 12/13.

 

Missed:11 games

Completed 45 mins or less: 7 games

Played 80 - 90minutes: 8 games

Subbed between 60th & 80th minute: 12 games

 

His appearances were very inconsistent.

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I was gonna say, that's probably quite key to where Naismith played...Fellaini.

 

Moyes loved him behind the striker with that classic chest control.

 

Anyway, main thing is he is doing well. Where he played 2 years ago under a different manager seems a bit redundant.

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Bold: clutching at straws with those names Bailey. Gueye not good enough (left sided player). Oviedo just brought in (left sided player). The rest can't consider them wide players at all.

Pienaar & Mirallas only viable wide players. Out of those 27 games Mirallas played I'm sure at least another 10 of those were cameo appearances. I remember him going of against Fulham or Stoke and Liverpool at home early of the top of my head. It got to the point were Moyes came out in the media and said he needed to toughen up. Moyes was bringing him off after 70mins every game.

Also Naismith mainly been operating in the hole (false 9). Fellaini had that position nailed. So to suggest he bought him to play out wide is still debatable.

I'm sure if Moyes had Pienaar, Mcgeady, Deulofeu, Mirallas available he wouldn't have been anywhere near the wings. Not suggesting he'd be near the starting 11 either but I'm sure he would have played more central if Fellaini wasn't about.

 

You say not good enough (which you are right with a couple) but neither was Naismith out wide. He was as bad as they were. It's irrelevant if their left sided either because Naismith played both sides but was predominately right sided because of Pienaar. Also Osman and Vic played wide a lot under Moyes so they can't just be written off. We probably had more cover wide than we did up front, especially as Vic gets injured every other game! Lol

 

Naismith has also never mentioned in interviews about Moyes signing him to play upfront or wanting him to play centrally and there has been a lot of interviews about that very subject. In fact Naismith has basically said that Moyes didn't make the most of his skill set.

 

I can see weight in the Felli argument but even so there was plenty of opportunity to play him in that role for a game or two if he fancied it but he clearly didn't. It's not like Felli was pulling up any trees either in that position so if he wanted to he could have tried it, especially in cup games.

 

Just looked I to Mirallas stats for 12/13.

Missed:11 games

Completed 45 mins or less: 7 games

Played 80 - 90minutes: 8 games

Subbed between 60th & 80th minute: 12 games

His appearances were very inconsistent.

That's still 20 games where he has played the lionshare. Giving him at least half a season to try something else.

 

Bottom line is Moyes obviously saw something in him to get him on board which was probably to do with his attitude and work rate. Martinez has made Naismith become the player he has for Everton.

 

Just like Stones and to some extent Barkley, Moyes may have brought them in or brought them through but I'd bet a sack full of money that none of those 3 would be anywhere near the level they are now if Moyes was still here.

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The problem in that season was Moyes was clinging on hope that Jelavic would rediscover form - like us all. In the end he had to drop him and yes Victor started to play as the striker.....is Naismith an out and out striker? someone who can lead a line....? Not for me. Either a false 9 or someone who plays in behind. Just how Martinez plays him. That scope wasn't there under Moyes.

 

Fellaini was nailed on in the current Naismith role back then. He pulled up a lot of trees there. He was our top goalscorer.

 

As I say there's no way for any of us to confirm that Moyes brought him in as a winger or striker., But he'd always played centrally for Rangers and Scotland and in the pre season Moyes had him playing through the middle.

 

Like all the squads available to him. Moyes adapted players for the roles available. Square pegs round holes. You can say he used Naismith similar to how he used Osman throughout his career. If his better players wernt fit (Mirallas/Arteta) he'd put the square peg in (Naismith/Osman) because that's all he had available to him.

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The problem in that season was Moyes was clinging on hope that Jelavic would rediscover form - like us all. In the end he had to drop him and yes Victor started to play as the striker.....is Naismith an out and out striker? someone who can lead a line....? Not for me. Either a false 9 or someone who plays in behind. Just how Martinez plays him. That scope wasn't there under Moyes.

 

Fellaini was nailed on in the current Naismith role back then. He pulled up a lot of trees there. He was our top goalscorer.

 

As I say there's no way for any of us to confirm that Moyes brought him in as a winger or striker., But he'd always played centrally for Rangers and Scotland and in the pre season Moyes had him playing through the middle.

 

Like all the squads available to him. Moyes adapted players for the roles available. Square pegs round holes. You can say he used Naismith similar to how he used Osman throughout his career. If his better players wernt fit (Mirallas/Arteta) he'd put the square peg in (Naismith/Osman) because that's all he had available to him.

 

Felli had half the fans on his back that season so he wasn't pulling up any trees other than the first game against Utd. Just looking at how Moyes wanted to play (using Felli or sometimes Vic and Cahill previously) he wasn't interested in a ball player behind the striker (hence why Barkley never got a sniff either and Osman was mostly played deep when he was central).

 

I don't remember Naismith playing centrally in pre-season but I didn't watch all the games. I have found the below link to the game you have mentioned which suggests he played wide again.

 

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2012/08/09/3295848/hat-trick-hero-naismith-ready-to-fill-cahill-void-as-everton

 

There is no evidence I can see that Moyes had any intention of playing him there.

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Ai, thought it was that or 500k. We hit Rangers when they hit the shit, didn't we?!

 

Can't beat a bargain!!!

Serves them right for benching Bally & fuckin his career when one more appearance would have cost them half a mill. Karma.

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After all the criticism the lad took by the majority of the fans he's now one of our main players. I've always liked him.

 

I'd play him ahead of Barkley at the minute.

I'll have to admit that I wasn't too convinced by him after his first season, but he's really grown as a player. He makes all the right runs and shows a lot of passion on the field.

 

The only thing he is missing is that little bit of extra technical ability that we see in players like Mirallas or Barkley.

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