Newty82 Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 I was gonna say, that's probably quite key to where Naismith played...Fellaini. Moyes loved him behind the striker with that classic chest control. Anyway, main thing is he is doing well. Where he played 2 years ago under a different manager seems a bit redundant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 (edited) Bold: clutching at straws with those names Bailey. Gueye not good enough (left sided player). Oviedo just brought in (left sided player). The rest can't consider them wide players at all. Pienaar & Mirallas only viable wide players. Out of those 27 games Mirallas played I'm sure at least another 10 of those were cameo appearances. I remember him going of against Fulham or Stoke and Liverpool at home early of the top of my head. It got to the point were Moyes came out in the media and said he needed to toughen up. Moyes was bringing him off after 70mins every game. Also Naismith mainly been operating in the hole (false 9). Fellaini had that position nailed. So to suggest he bought him to play out wide is still debatable. I'm sure if Moyes had Pienaar, Mcgeady, Deulofeu, Mirallas available he wouldn't have been anywhere near the wings. Not suggesting he'd be near the starting 11 either but I'm sure he would have played more central if Fellaini wasn't about. You say not good enough (which you are right with a couple) but neither was Naismith out wide. He was as bad as they were. It's irrelevant if their left sided either because Naismith played both sides but was predominately right sided because of Pienaar. Also Osman and Vic played wide a lot under Moyes so they can't just be written off. We probably had more cover wide than we did up front, especially as Vic gets injured every other game! Lol Naismith has also never mentioned in interviews about Moyes signing him to play upfront or wanting him to play centrally and there has been a lot of interviews about that very subject. In fact Naismith has basically said that Moyes didn't make the most of his skill set. I can see weight in the Felli argument but even so there was plenty of opportunity to play him in that role for a game or two if he fancied it but he clearly didn't. It's not like Felli was pulling up any trees either in that position so if he wanted to he could have tried it, especially in cup games. Just looked I to Mirallas stats for 12/13. Missed:11 games Completed 45 mins or less: 7 games Played 80 - 90minutes: 8 games Subbed between 60th & 80th minute: 12 games His appearances were very inconsistent. That's still 20 games where he has played the lionshare. Giving him at least half a season to try something else. Bottom line is Moyes obviously saw something in him to get him on board which was probably to do with his attitude and work rate. Martinez has made Naismith become the player he has for Everton. Just like Stones and to some extent Barkley, Moyes may have brought them in or brought them through but I'd bet a sack full of money that none of those 3 would be anywhere near the level they are now if Moyes was still here. Edited October 22, 2014 by Bailey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 Also if Moyes wanted other wingers to free up Naismith centrally then he could have gone out and brought someone else in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted October 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 The problem in that season was Moyes was clinging on hope that Jelavic would rediscover form - like us all. In the end he had to drop him and yes Victor started to play as the striker.....is Naismith an out and out striker? someone who can lead a line....? Not for me. Either a false 9 or someone who plays in behind. Just how Martinez plays him. That scope wasn't there under Moyes. Fellaini was nailed on in the current Naismith role back then. He pulled up a lot of trees there. He was our top goalscorer. As I say there's no way for any of us to confirm that Moyes brought him in as a winger or striker., But he'd always played centrally for Rangers and Scotland and in the pre season Moyes had him playing through the middle. Like all the squads available to him. Moyes adapted players for the roles available. Square pegs round holes. You can say he used Naismith similar to how he used Osman throughout his career. If his better players wernt fit (Mirallas/Arteta) he'd put the square peg in (Naismith/Osman) because that's all he had available to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 The problem in that season was Moyes was clinging on hope that Jelavic would rediscover form - like us all. In the end he had to drop him and yes Victor started to play as the striker.....is Naismith an out and out striker? someone who can lead a line....? Not for me. Either a false 9 or someone who plays in behind. Just how Martinez plays him. That scope wasn't there under Moyes. Fellaini was nailed on in the current Naismith role back then. He pulled up a lot of trees there. He was our top goalscorer. As I say there's no way for any of us to confirm that Moyes brought him in as a winger or striker., But he'd always played centrally for Rangers and Scotland and in the pre season Moyes had him playing through the middle. Like all the squads available to him. Moyes adapted players for the roles available. Square pegs round holes. You can say he used Naismith similar to how he used Osman throughout his career. If his better players wernt fit (Mirallas/Arteta) he'd put the square peg in (Naismith/Osman) because that's all he had available to him. Felli had half the fans on his back that season so he wasn't pulling up any trees other than the first game against Utd. Just looking at how Moyes wanted to play (using Felli or sometimes Vic and Cahill previously) he wasn't interested in a ball player behind the striker (hence why Barkley never got a sniff either and Osman was mostly played deep when he was central). I don't remember Naismith playing centrally in pre-season but I didn't watch all the games. I have found the below link to the game you have mentioned which suggests he played wide again. http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2012/08/09/3295848/hat-trick-hero-naismith-ready-to-fill-cahill-void-as-everton There is no evidence I can see that Moyes had any intention of playing him there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoof_It_Nev Posted October 27, 2014 Report Share Posted October 27, 2014 The boy's got skills. http://metro.co.uk/2014/10/26/evertons-steven-naismith-trolls-burnley-goalkeeper-michael-heaton-after-samuel-etoo-goal-4922664/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 27, 2014 Report Share Posted October 27, 2014 The boy's got skills. http://metro.co.uk/2014/10/26/evertons-steven-naismith-trolls-burnley-goalkeeper-michael-heaton-after-samuel-etoo-goal-4922664/ Could've killed him that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueBlood81 Posted October 27, 2014 Report Share Posted October 27, 2014 Ai, thought it was that or 500k. We hit Rangers when they hit the shit, didn't we?! Can't beat a bargain!!! Serves them right for benching Bally & fuckin his career when one more appearance would have cost them half a mill. Karma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted October 27, 2014 Report Share Posted October 27, 2014 Serves them right for benching Bally & fuckin his career when one more appearance would have cost them half a mill. Karma. Haha! Fair shout. Now it looks like they'll have Mike Ashley running the club. Oh dear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30196603 Top lad, proud to have him. rubecula, Matt and Romey 1878 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30196603 Top lad, proud to have him. The more I hear of him the more I like him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Me to, he's an absolute belter and it's great that he's with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-fc-roberto-martinez-plays-8181929 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 “We have confirmed Steven has a soft tissue injury,” Menaing an injury to muscle, ligaments or tendons. Which accounts for 95% of all sports injuries.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 “We have confirmed Steven has a soft tissue injury,” Menaing an injury to muscle, ligaments or tendons. Which accounts for 95% of all sports injuries.... He likes to be really specific does our Roberto . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 We are sending out a distress call to the man who is missed when he is not there. We need you back for the following reasons, Aggressiveness Heart Effort Ability to find space Finishing Were shit! Please get well soon. Toffee_in_LA and MC11 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted December 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 After all the criticism the lad took by the majority of the fans he's now one of our main players. I've always liked him. I'd play him ahead of Barkley at the minute. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted December 7, 2014 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 (edited) After all the criticism the lad took by the majority of the fans he's now one of our main players. I've always liked him. I'd play him ahead of Barkley at the minute. I'll have to admit that I wasn't too convinced by him after his first season, but he's really grown as a player. He makes all the right runs and shows a lot of passion on the field. The only thing he is missing is that little bit of extra technical ability that we see in players like Mirallas or Barkley. Edited December 7, 2014 by TonkaRoost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 He's just signed a well deserved 3 year extension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 He's just signed a well deserved 3 year extension. I'm well happy about that. He's more than earned it. Hopefully Mirallas is next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 https://twitter.com/everton/status/545345487046320131 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Put the performances in to change opinions. Really respect him for doing so. His presence is felt within the team now. Sibdane, Bailey and Toffee_in_LA 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Good job he didn't read the forums in the early days!!! Haha!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Maybe if moyes had he would have played in the fuckin middle earlier!! Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 made up for naisy. hard worker and puts the ball in the net, here's to many more years of great football! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Put the performances in to change opinions. Really respect him for doing so. His presence is felt within the team now.This exactly. Prime example of a player proving the doubters wrong(including me). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 What a man he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted December 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Glad it's done. Typical Everton player and an important player! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Put the performances in to change opinions. Really respect him for doing so. His presence is felt within the team now.Spot on mate Made up, proud to have him at the club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Excellent news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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