Matt Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 You do it you're trying to convince us. You started the discussion. Its a discussion if you don't bother to provide a counter argument. If you don't agree, prove your case rather than resort to pubescent retorts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Soton 12 Chelsea 15 Man City 18 Man Utd 18 West ham 20 Arsenal 21 Villa 22 L'Pool 23 C Palace 23 EVERTON 24 Swansea 24 West Brom 24 Hull City 24 Stoke 25 Spurs 26 Sunderland 27 Leicester 28 Newcastle 28 Burnley 29 QPR 32 Add in the weekends goals, think we are 8th defensively from game 4 to 22. Again, maybe emphasising Martinez relaxed concern about our defending. Not that it's all ok. But my main focus would be how the goals have dried up. While we may have steadied up at the back, up top we are struggling to score. Can't be arsed just now to look at all the results, but the problems in recent times lay more up top than at the back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) OMG brown nosing here. I'd rather put pins in me eyes than turn up to that partyMaybe when you grow up and stop trying to use the forum as a means of trying to wind people up I may be able to respectfully disagree with you. Till then you will continue to be given lessons you just won't learn. Edited January 21, 2015 by Hafnia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Its a discussion if you don't bother to provide a counter argument. If you don't agree, prove your case rather than resort to pubescent retorts. I've provided a counter argument with valid points! if he wants to go against it he should provide stats to say otherwise. I haven't the time or energy to waste looking at stats from 20 odd games. Haf might have but I haven't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Maybe when you grow up and stop trying to use the forum as a means of trying to wind people up I may be able to respectfully disagree with you. Till then you will continue to be given lessons you just won't learn. Honestly Haf you are a self-obsessed narcissist. The last sentence.... As though you sit higher. Your a tit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) I've provided a counter argument with valid points! if he wants to go against it he should provide stats to say otherwise. I haven't the time or energy to waste looking at stats from 20 odd games. Haf might have but I haven't Well its cold over here, but hell hasn't frozen over yet. You've nay-sayed and bickered, but not provided any valid points for an argument. Thats because you cannot argue the trend looks to be more than a coincidence. If you don't want to debate, don't challenge those who can be bothered. Edited January 21, 2015 by Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Well its cold over here, but hell hasn't frozen over yet. You've nay-sayed and bickered, but not provided any valid points for an argument. Thats because you cannot argue the trend looks to be more than a coincidence. If you don't want to debate, don't challenge those who can be bothered. I've gave plenty of valid points. Read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 I've gave plenty of valid points. Read. I have, valid is not what I call them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 I have, valid is not what I call them. Ok, move on then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Ok, move on then. fair enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Haha...good ending that!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Honestly Haf you are a self-obsessed narcissist. The last sentence.... As though you sit higher. Your a tit! Nah I'm not, I'm just aware of the fact that you aren't very good at debating for the following reasons:- Flimsy opinions Contradictory statements The need to bicker Immaturity no evidence when questioned Inability to challenge facts with counter facts The fact that I'm able to pretty much blow you out the water at will means you get frustrated as above. It's fine, I understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Nah I'm not, I'm just aware of the fact that you aren't very good at debating for the following reasons:- Flimsy opinions Contradictory statements The need to bicker Immaturity no evidence when questioned Inability to challenge facts with counter facts The fact that I'm able to pretty much blow you out the water at will means you get frustrated as above. It's fine, I understand. Honestly. Sit back, imagine they're not your posts and read them. Not just this thread just in general. You have a very high opinion of yourself. Narcissist sums you up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) Narcissism Flattery towards people who admire and affirm them (narcissistic supply) -shown in this thread - see the brown nosing post. Detesting those who do not admire them (narcissistic abuse) Pretending to be more important than they really are Bragging (subtly but persistently) and exaggerating their achievements - your pro football career Claiming to be an "expert" at many things Inability to view the world from the perspective of other people Hypersensitivity to any insults or imagined insults (see criticism and narcissists, narcissistic rage and narcissistic injury) Edited January 21, 2015 by MC11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 I get where some peeps are coming from about stats...what about the opponent, did so and so play, was that team in form etc etc.. The thing is, when you get simple stats such as 'games played in, points won', and you take these simple but effective stats over a period of time, a true pattern emerges. Sometimes there's no need to look at the micros, when the macros tell the story. You start diving into micros, and the possibilities are endless. You end up using a lot of effort just to get back to the original macro assumption. Quite right. After all what is the league table other than a collected set of statistics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Honestly. Sit back, imagine they're not your posts and read them. Not just this thread just in general. You have a very high opinion of yourself. Narcissist sums you up. I know quite well how my posts look in response to the shite you fire out. It's annoying isn't it. When someone behaves like a child it's a good idea to treat them dismissively. It really pisses them off. As in your case proven. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 I know quite well how my posts look in response to the shite you fire out. It's annoying isn't it. When someone behaves like a child it's a good idea to treat them dismissively. It really pisses them off. As in your case proven. Ok, must be your self imaginary importance kicking in there. I'm fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Narcissism Flattery towards people who admire and affirm them (narcissistic supply) -shown in this thread - see the brown nosing post. Detesting those who do not admire them (narcissistic abuse) Pretending to be more important than they really are Bragging (subtly but persistently) and exaggerating their achievements - your pro football career Claiming to be an "expert" at many things Inability to view the world from the perspective of other people Hypersensitivity to any insults or imagined insults (see criticism and narcissists, narcissistic rage and narcissistic injury) Ah don't get too upset Mr Freud. The majority of forum posters have narcissistic traits. Some more than others. Anyway get off Wikipedia and get looking at footy stats, I'm waiting for your counter argument. Read up on Dr Kinsey after you've done your research on Freud, you may feel at bit more at ease about your feelings towards mirallas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Quite right. After all what is the league table other than a collected set of statistics? Yeah. One big fat Macro stat. Just as the McCarthy stat is attempting to be ripped apart you could do the same with our much talked about goals conceded stat.... Goals conceded: 34 (Of which conceded against current top 4: 13) (% Conceded against current top 4: 38) It tells it's own story. But bottom line is...we have conceded 34 goals. It's not all that important to delve in any more. At the moment, we win more games with McCarthy than we win without him. No need to delve further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Ah don't get too upset Mr Freud. The majority of forum posters have narcissistic traits. Some more than others. Anyway get off Wikipedia and get looking at footy stats, I'm waiting for your counter argument. Read up on Dr Kinsey after you've done your research on Freud, you may feel at bit more at ease about your feelings towards mirallas. apparently its been made.... somewhere... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) I am very upset. I agree I have narcissistic traits. I must spend more time with my wife. I get all my stats off Wikipedia, I'm trying my best to ignore your counter argument. I've read up on Dr Kinsey and I now accept why I have feelings for McCarthy. At last some sense. Don't worry I accept your apology. Edited January 21, 2015 by MC11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Angel Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 I'm so bored with some of you.... It's not even a forum anymore. Am out, bye all............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 I'm so bored with some of you.... It's not even a forum anymore. Am out, bye all............. Naismiths shit. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Naismiths shit. beat me too it. Brett, stick around. It's much easier now that you've discovered coherent posting, punctuation and grammar! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 I understand stats can be misleading and there are many factors and variables involved but this simply comes down to one question Are we a better and more capable side with Mccarthy included then not? Sure we are to argue otherwise in my opinion is ridiculous regardless of personal differences and varying player opinions If you accept stats as a good form of assessing a player team or manager in one instance you have to accept them in the next it's simple Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 http://www.followtonians.com/l4-4el-reaching-tipping-point/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 http://www.followtonians.com/l4-4el-reaching-tipping-point/ Very well written article I'd say. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 Very well written article I'd say. Yeah I think he is spot on, we are just about to enter a really tough run of fixtures and apart from Leicester at home I just cant where the next point is going to come from Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 He said in the Echo last night that "real" Evertonians understand that the team have played better than the points gained tally and appreciate we've played good football and don't deserve to be where we are (or words to that effect) I must not be a real Evertonian then because I just see us playing absolute shite. MC11 and Toffee_in_LA 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 When you look at the whole statement, he's quite right. Except for one word...'proper'. That one word. It changes the whole thing. When your down.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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