markjazzbassist Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 I agree that barkley should be the midfield maestro, he's brilliant. Maloney was for Wigan? I thought Jordi Gomez was their creative player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 Barkley showed glimpses against QPR that he could become one. The problem is this manager won't use him there unless he has to. It's very evident Martinez likes his sitters. Not creative central midfielders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 http://www.espnfc.us/club/everton/368/blog/post/2180647/everton-report-card O'Farrell is spot on again. C- Sums up the season grade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 Bit lively isn't it?! Not sure why Moyes has to keep coming along. The blokes been gone for 18 months. Good luck to him but comparisons of an 18 month tenure to an 11 year one...well, pointless. I agree on the mid season report. Definitely a C -!!! Sibdane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 Barkley showed glimpses against QPR that he could become one. The problem is this manager won't use him there unless he has to. It's very evident Martinez likes his sitters. Not creative central midfielders. Baines has the potential to do this. Over time, so does Besic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 Barkley showed glimpses against QPR that he could become one. The problem is this manager won't use him there unless he has to. It's very evident Martinez likes his sitters. Not creative central midfielders. Could be, but hes too naive for the moment. We got away with him being so deep because QPR were so poor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 Could be, but hes too naive for the moment. We got away with him being so deep because QPR were so poor. I reckon giving him the added responsibility of playing deeper, and needing to make less mistakes, would help him to cut the naivety out of his game myself. He's got to learn at some point and we need to try something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 I reckon giving him the added responsibility of playing deeper, and needing to make less mistakes, would help him to cut the naivety out of his game myself. He's got to learn at some point and we need to try something. true, but learning and making mistakes that deep means theres no cushion between him and the defence. That scares me a little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 I like him playing deeper as he has options, he can get a run on the defenders. But yes, it's about decision making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 I think the decision are easier to make sitting deeper. A lot clearer to see who's open and where to pass. When he's more advanced on the edge of the box its tight difficult passes and that's why he was up against the wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 I think the decision are easier to make sitting deeper. A lot clearer to see who's open and where to pass. When he's more advanced on the edge of the box its tight difficult passes and that's why he was up against the wall. For me its more that he tries to do it all himself rather than even look for the pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 For me its more that he tries to do it all himself rather than even look for the pass. Right and I think that's why. It's so tight he can't make some of those tricky passes (rightfully so) so he just goes it alone. He looked way more of a team player when he sat deep because he could see the passes and made them. Didn't have to take it on himself if there was someone open. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 Right and I think that's why. It's so tight he can't make some of those tricky passes (rightfully so) so he just goes it alone. He looked way more of a team player when he sat deep because he could see the passes and made them. Didn't have to take it on himself if there was someone open. I agree with all but the bold. Because his decision making is so slow, usually there is someone open but he doesn't see them until its too late, so he makes the situation worse by himself. Not always, but a lot of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 For me its more that he tries to do it all himself rather than even look for the pass. This exactly. He's starting to believe in his own hype and wants it to be the Ross Barkley show rather than about the team. I'm hoping this will be knocked out of him as he matures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 This exactly. He's starting to believe in his own hype and wants it to be the Ross Barkley show rather than about the team. I'm hoping this will be knocked out of him as he matures. It should come with time and experience, even if hes not the quickest mentally (at least, thats how hes come across in his interviews). Martinez is partly to blame here too, not worrying about him making mistakes. If hes making the same mistakes over and over, he needs educating! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 It should come with time and experience, even if hes not the quickest mentally (at least, thats how hes come across in his interviews). Martinez is partly to blame here too, not worrying about him making mistakes. If hes making the same mistakes over and over, he needs educating! Yep. When you're growing and maturing and learning if someone isn't there to point out where you're going wrong or making mistakes then you'll just carry on doing what you're doing thinking everything is going just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 It scares me knowing that first season has bought him a lot of time. He won't get sacked here. I just want to be on the edge of my seat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 It scares me knowing that first season has bought him a lot of time. He won't get sacked here. I just want to be on the edge of my seat What do you mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 What do you mean? His brand of football has become boring. Quinn31 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deacs Posted December 25, 2014 Report Share Posted December 25, 2014 His brand of football has become boring. No sure if we're playing his brand of football at the moment. We're just not playing well. We have played some lovely stuff under him ANC I'm hoping we get back to that. Something does need to change though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2886928/Roberto-Martinez-Everton-s-style-not-problem-players-just-need-master-it.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490 'But I am not concerned in terms of performances. I don't think we are far away from where we were last season. I would say we are even better in many aspects of our performances" To be fair we do seem to be more adept at the pointless 5 yard pass and our ability to concede sloppy goals has come on leaps and bounds Deacs and Quinn31 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn31 Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2886928/Roberto-Martinez-Everton-s-style-not-problem-players-just-need-master-it.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490 'But I am not concerned in terms of performances. I don't think we are far away from where we were last season. I would say we are even better in many aspects of our performances" To be fair we do seem to be more adept at the pointless 5 yard pass and our ability to concede sloppy goals has come on leaps and bounds Does he believe the garbage he says, or does he just continue to say nothing but positive things to the media for appearance's sake? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee_in_LA Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 Guys... I think I've crossed the "He needs to go" line. We may end up pointless in the next 3 games and then... I don't want to think about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 He talks absolute fucking wank . If he actually believes what he says he seriously lost his mind. This isn't Wigan he wont get away with scraping a living here. Sort yourself out Roberto lad or fuck right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 Guys... I think I've crossed the "He needs to go" line. We may end up pointless in the next 3 games and then... I don't want to think about it. It's a little to early for that tbh! But he's going the right way about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee_in_LA Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 It's a little to early for that tbh! But he's going the right way about it. Yeah it's a bit knee jerkish (this hangover really isn't helping with how I feel atm) but something needs to change... fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 The sooner we realise that we are in a relegation battle the better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 The sooner we realise that we are in a relegation battle the better We'll finish in the bottom half. Nailed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 The sooner we realise that we are in a relegation battle the better Anyone who seriously thinks that needs to have a bet on it. 200/1 with SportingBet, chance to make a mint. Be keeping my money in my pocket. Pearso 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 Anyone who seriously thinks that needs to have a bet on it. 200/1 with SportingBet, chance to make a mint. Be keeping my money in my pocket. It's a barmy suggestion to talk of relegation battles. But I understand people's reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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