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There could be some truth in him calling it quits in the transfer market, however I think he may still add one or two new faces. Could be just his way of trying to keep any ongoing deals we may be chasing quiet.

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Like you, I'm hoping his comments today are to play down any rumoured interest from Everton in players he might want, with a view to waiting until the price comes down towards the end of the month. He said elsewhere in the interview that he thinks the window has been very quiet so far because everyone is waiting for value late in the window so hopefully he's doing the same. It feels as though everyone is waiting for someone to blink first, and then there'll be a flurry of business.

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Martinez has also said that if we get Traore that it'll probably be the end of our business.

 

What happened to getting a replacement for Kone and Gibson?

 

We're going to be crossing our fingers that we don't have another injury run for the rest of the season or we'll have let a chance at top 4 slip by not getting January right.

 

Didn't he say he wanted a couple more signings after the attacking options?

 

i'm confused. It's either a really good negotiating tactic or we're screwed.

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Personally I don't think it is the market to be buying too many players. I fully understand why we want/need players to come in but I wouldn't want to risk pissing that money up the wall or 3rd or 4th choices if there is the potential for the 1st or 2nd choice to be available in the summer at a more suitable fee.

 

The suggestions so far are that both Kone and Gibson could be back before the end of the season in some capacity (both are more than likely going to be squad fillers at this stage anyway) and with Deulofeu looking like he is close to a return and possibly Pienaar/Barkley we probably don't need anyone else after these next couple of weeks.

 

As long as two of those three come back sooner rather than later we will be in a healthy position once more and we can kick on again.

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Personally I don't think it is the market to be buying too many players. I fully understand why we want/need players to come in but I wouldn't want to risk pissing that money up the wall or 3rd or 4th choices if there is the potential for the 1st or 2nd choice to be available in the summer at a more suitable fee.

 

The suggestions so far are that both Kone and Gibson could be back before the end of the season in some capacity (both are more than likely going to be squad fillers at this stage anyway) and with Deulofeu looking like he is close to a return and possibly Pienaar/Barkley we probably don't need anyone else after these next couple of weeks.

 

As long as two of those three come back sooner rather than later we will be in a healthy position once more and we can kick on again.

yes but neither pienaar or osman can finish a full game, I still think we need a centre mid permanent.

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We need to keep in touching distance of the top four that is the most important factor and I fear without some reinforcements we will slowly start to see the target slip out of our grasp. We need players not just to add quality but to give the squad a lift, relieve some pressure and give more belief that we can get top 4

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yes but neither pienaar or osman can finish a full game, I still think we need a centre mid permanent.

Osman is finished, shouldn't be anywhere near the first team for me. But with lack of reinforcements it's up-to players like him who simply aren't good enough to carry the burden. Feel sorry for him to be honest because we know he isn't good enough and so does he.

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yes but neither pienaar or osman can finish a full game, I still think we need a centre mid permanent.

 

Sooner or later though, we should have Deulofeu or Barkley available to play in those positions as well. If need be we can have Pienaar in the centre and swap with Osman at the end considering we have Mirallas, Naismith, Deulofeu and McGeady to play out wide.

 

We do need a new player in the middle but I dont know where we are going to find one in this market and at the inflated prices.

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Whats happened to that Francisco Junior lad we signed from city.

 

I take it he has flopped as he doesn't even get on the bench.

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Whats happened to that Francisco Junior lad we signed from city.

 

I take it he has flopped as he doesn't even get on the bench.

We loaned him to Vitesse for the season. He's hardly got a look in though which is quite concerning (I'm not sure if injuries are playing a part though). I get the feeling we'll flog him of to the highest bidder come summer.

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Whats happened to that Francisco Junior lad we signed from city.

 

I take it he has flopped as he doesn't even get on the bench.

he has flopped he will probably leave at the end of his contract I can't see us getting a fee for him,a big waste of cash this one.

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I got Junior on loan at Fleetwood town in league 2 on football manager and he was still only able to warm the bench...

 

He's a CURSE on FM. I could not get rid of him on my Everton squad. No one wanted him on loan/transfer, he wouldn't terminate his contract, his contract is long-term, he complained about playing time, etc.

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Well assuming Falcao doesn't scupper this Traore deal, we have two players in with him and McGeady - that's a net +1 with Jelly out. We're feeling pinched because the injuries are really piling up at the moment with seven guys on the shelf, and the timing is about the worst possible with the Liverpool and Tottenham fixtures both scheduled for this stretch when we're hurting so badly. But beyond that, almost all of our walking wounded (apart from Gibson and Kone) are expected back within the next 2-3 weeks, and when we have our full squad or close to it, our squad size is fine. Could we use another CM/DM type of player? Sure, but only if the right deal is out there at the right value - signing someone just for the sake of signing someone is pointless, unless you're Tottenham or City and don't care about having 200 players in your first team squad.

 

 

He's a CURSE on FM. I could not get rid of him on my Everton squad. No one wanted him on loan/transfer, he wouldn't terminate his contract, his contract is long-term, he complained about playing time, etc.

 

You need to make him want to leave. Kick his arse in private chats, fine him two weeks wages every chance you get, bad mouth him to the press, and generally make his life a living hell, until he gets angry enough that he's finally willing to discuss a buyout just to be shot of you.

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You need to make him want to leave. Kick his arse in private chats, fine him two weeks wages every chance you get, bad mouth him to the press, and generally make his life a living hell, until he gets angry enough that he's finally willing to discuss a buyout just to be shot of you.

 

Geez! I hope I never find myself working for you! ;)

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I just hope he's not the last of our business this window.

Agreed reinforcements are crucial to keep pace with the pack

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I've got him down for first scorer so hoping all the paperwork us tied up in time for him to play.

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Greg O'Keeffe has found out a bit more about the player and the deal.

 

"Traore won't be able to play in tomorrow's FA Cup game at Stevenage and is unlikely to feature in the derby.

 

"He currently has a hamstring problem which means he's not fully match fit."

 

Great

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Good to see they sealed the deal. RM said Lacina is likely to play the last 9-10 games of the season...he's "weeks" away from playing due to his injury. Bummer...I was hoping to see this giant play straight away.

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What the hell is the point in this loan then?

 

Loans are meant to give immediate relief to a team...

 

We need players now when we are so thin on the ground!

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Glad its going through. Looks like he could be a useful player and a pain in the arse for defenders.

 

Need some clarity on his match fitness before I get too excited. Thinking that he may only be available for the last 10 or so games takes a bit of gloss off it.

 

And if that is so, RM has brought him in to see us 'over the line', which is fine but then I doubt he will be the last bit of business in this window.

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Martinez talks about him on EvertonTV:

 

http://www.evertonfc.com/evertontv/home/9884

 

Yeah, Everton TV is where I saw RM mention that Lacina will only be in the last 9-10 games. Though on re-watching it, it's a bit unclear, as he states Lacina is "weeks" away from playing, and then says he won't be "influential" or have an impact until the last 9-10 games. I'm not sure if this means he won't be playing until the last 9-10 games of the the season or he will make an appearence prior to that but it will be very minimal. Either way, it doesn't seem like he'll take part in the key match-up against the Spurs in mid-February.

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We already knew about this injury it's been discussed in this thread, that's why a couple of people had reservations, including myself. Lets hope there are no setbacks in his recovery and that's he's available soon :)

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I'm aware the injury has been discussed, I just hadn't heard of any official talk of a timeline until today. I was under the impression that the injury was minor but if RM says he'll only play in the last 9-10 games of the season, then we are talking 5 weeks out. That's a long time for a January signing.

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Excited about the player, but not if he can't go til the last 9-10 games of the season. It's pointless. We need another capable striker ready to go NOW or in the next few weeks.

 

But this is the January window. No team is going to sell a good striker midway through the season. Either they are crap and need to go, or someone pays well over the top. A loan under these unusual circumstances is the best way to get a quality player. If we're able to bring in someone else, I will be very pleasantly surprised.

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Really happy about this going through and excited to see Traore play for us once he recovers. Hopefully it will all go smoothly and he will...

That said, really would like to see us get a little more cover in, but Martinez seems set to wait for the summer to try and hammer out the big business.

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Yeah, Everton TV is where I saw RM mention that Lacina will only be in the last 9-10 games. Though on re-watching it, it's a bit unclear, as he states Lacina is "weeks" away from playing, and then says he won't be "influential" or have an impact until the last 9-10 games. I'm not sure if this means he won't be playing until the last 9-10 games of the the season or he will make an appearence prior to that but it will be very minimal. Either way, it doesn't seem like he'll take part in the key match-up against the Spurs in mid-February.

 

He probably means that we wont expect him to make a full impact until the last 10 games of the season due to the fact he will have to adapt and get used to the team/league as well as recover from his injury, in the same way that Deulofeu didnt start making an impact until we were a few games in.

 

I think that bringing his pace and skill on at the end of the game could end up being really important for us, especially when we are protecting a slender lead.

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I just hope he's not the last of our business this window.

me too but if we don't, I won't be upset purely because I'm trusting RM and his assumption that others will be imminently back from injury and we're waiting for the summer...

 

 

...had scotch, this might not make sense....

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me too but if we don't, I won't be upset purely because I'm trusting RM and his assumption that others will be imminently back from injury and we're waiting for the summer...

 

 

...had scotch, this might not make sense....

 

Martinez said we'd end the window stronger than we started it, and I'm not sure that will have been achieved.

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Martinez said we'd end the window stronger than we started it, and I'm not sure that will have been achieved.

 

Me either as it stands, I'm just hoping Bob's got something up his sleeve and all the talk of no more business being done is a smoke screen.

 

(He said we wouldn't be getting McGeady until the summer and he then joined a few days later.)

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1 out and two in Mark, that seems stronger to me.

It's not about the numbers and that's not how Martinez meant it either. It's about who has, or hasn't, come in.

 

He started out the window saying we'd be looking to replace Kone and Gibson. Neither has happened and will not happen if he wasn't bullshitting saying Traore is the last of our business.

 

We badly needed cover for Lukaku and we've signed a player who is currently injured and then once he is fit is going have a lot of adaptation to make in a very short period of time. So his impact, if any at all, will be minimal.

 

The hope is that we will make another signing and that Traore will be a hit rather than a miss but, as it stands, it's a little worrying.

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Heitinga has been on is way for 18 months, not sure this will happen. By my maths the squad has increased by one, you cant blame injuries for not being stronger.

 

Everyone has been saying Velios deserves a run, he might get a run today, and if he does he wont let them down. Trust your manager, he thinks Velios is a capable understudy until Traore is OK.

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It's not about the numbers and that's not how Martinez meant it either. It's about who has, or hasn't, come in.

 

He started out the window saying we'd be looking to replace Kone and Gibson. Neither has happened and will not happen if he wasn't bullshitting saying Traore is the last of our business.

 

We badly needed cover for Lukaku and we've signed a player who is currently injured and then once he is fit is going have a lot of adaptation to make in a very short period of time. So his impact, if any at all, will be minimal.

 

The hope is that we will make another signing and that Traore will be a hit rather than a miss but, as it stands, it's a little worrying.

 

I certainly don't think we have been weakened in this window. Jelavic was playing next to know part other than a bench warmer and if that is all Traore fills then we aren't any weaker. You don't know what impact he will make to the team as he might fit straight in or he might struggle. The other players that he has signed have slotted in well so I don't see why Traore would be the odd one out. Even if we sold Heitinga now its not a loss to the team and despite the rumours still nothing has happened. McGeady has come in and whilst I have my skepticism of how it will work out he does bring an extra quality to the squad.

 

I'm sure Martinez was looking to replace Kone and Gibson but if the players aren't available then what do you want him to do. He has always said that he would waste his money in this window as well and I hope he doesn't. I'm not entirely sure but he gave the Kone/Gibson sound bite a while before the window opened and for all we know he may not think we need their cover any longer either through players ready to step up or the two returning from injury sooner than expected.

 

If we can get through these next couple of weeks and the injured players start coming back I think we will be in good shape to finish the season with a rattle.

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I certainly don't think we have been weakened in this window. Jelavic was playing next to know part other than a bench warmer and if that is all Traore fills then we aren't any weaker. You don't know what impact he will make to the team as he might fit straight in or he might struggle. The other players that he has signed have slotted in well so I don't see why Traore would be the odd one out. Even if we sold Heitinga now its not a loss to the team and despite the rumours still nothing has happened. McGeady has come in and whilst I have my skepticism of how it will work out he does bring an extra quality to the squad.

 

I'm sure Martinez was looking to replace Kone and Gibson but if the players aren't available then what do you want him to do. He has always said that he would waste his money in this window as well and I hope he doesn't. I'm not entirely sure but he gave the Kone/Gibson sound bite a while before the window opened and for all we know he may not think we need their cover any longer either through players ready to step up or the two returning from injury sooner than expected.

 

If we can get through these next couple of weeks and the injured players start coming back I think we will be in good shape to finish the season with a rattle.

 

 

I didn't say I do know what impact he will make. But he's out for weeks for a start, then he's got to get to grips with a new league, new team mates, new culture. We needed someone to come in who could take the burden from Lukaku NOW. It just seems an incredibly stupid signing. But, like I said, hopefully he's a hit. I haven't even mentioned Heitinga? The McGeady signing I'm pleased about, even if it'll take him some time to adapt he will at least be available for us to use. He can make an impact, and will I think.

 

Kone and Gibson have been gone for months, it's not like it's just happened and he hasn't had time to prepare. So I expect him to do what he said he'd do tbh. He said they were our priorities before the window opened, and he's repeated it during the window as well.

 

I'll repeat; I'm not saying we're in trouble if this is it for this window, just that I'm concerned. It could be an opportunity to kick on blown in January once again.

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Dont know what to think about this one. Not seen enough to have an opinion really. Slightly boggled about the injury.

Trust RM to know whats right but I am getting worried about some of the names that we are linked with.

I don't expect that much from him, he wasn't really impressive at AFCON and Monaco are willing to loan him within 3 weeks of signing him without making an appearance, and have chosen to keep him despite the injury to Falcao. Although that could be down to Monaco trying to meet certain financial criteria for a UEFA license.

 

I'm not saying he'll be awful, I suspect he may get an average of a goal every four games.

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Do you know what he'll bring? Space for our attack minded players.

 

His most effective work will be without the ball (a comparison I made to James McCarthy before he arrived). Crouch does the same but Stoke don't have the players to utilise their opportunities or space. Traore single handedly, will occupy both CB's of the opposition and that gives us an opportunity to stretch the full backs and hit on the overlap (Baines, Coleman).

 

It's a different tactic but one that can work.

 

A smaller CB won't go to attack the ball in the air if Traore's the target but attack the ball once it's on the floor. They're usually the quicker of the two CB's, which will allow for the likes of Barkley/Mirallas/Piennar/McGeady to exploit the bigger CB's lack of pace, thus creating a goalscoring opportunity or a new 'route' in the full back position.

 

On the flipside.

 

If Traore is man marked against the bigger of the two CB's, he leaves the smaller CB (back to goal) standing stationary, should he get a forward 'flickon'.

 

He'll be in the conscious mind of both CB's, creating a potential defensive blip for our attacking players to exploit.

 

I'll be interested to see how he gets on because i've wanted him in the prem for ages. Loved to see if he could hack it. Now I'll get the chance to.

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