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Not to just pick out your post Mike, but in terms of response times to mental illness NHS are rapid. Still short on funds but extremely quick.

Once a patient has been sectioned they are dealt with immediately, if not sectioned but refered they should be dealt with in 24 hours.

Fortunately in this case Aaron was dealt with by NHS staff on the evening of the incident as the private hospital only takes private paying customer from Monday to Friday 9 to 5. The NHS pick up the slack in between.

 

Aaron is in good hands, hopefully he's feeing like his old self in the near future.

 

In extreme cases yes; we had someone standing on a motorway bridge near us a while back (wrong side of the barrier) and the M5 was closed and the response was immediate. But you've got to be really ill or in imminently life threatening crisis to get that attention. If you are, for example, self harming with a blade but not digging quite deep enough yet you've got no chance at all of being seen quickly. Agree with Haf on the alcohol/addiction point as well, they also go hand in hand with mental health problems in many cases.

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It might be different in different boroughs, but I know in Manchester and North Wales once you've asked for help, even in the mild cases, you don't go on a waiting list. You are seen very quickly. The NHS has improved massively in response times with mental health, even with budget cuts. The tough part is getting people to ask for help, once you ask it's within a couple of days you will have an assessment and your treatment will begin.

Now mental illness is being treated in he same way as physical illness the improvements over the last five years have been massive.

I can only assume while there is so much stigma still around it even people who have had excellent treatment in a very short space of time do not tell anyone.

 

Also, they don't measure how deep someone is cutting, any cut counts. The problem is people hiding the cut rather than asking for support. Many parents not knowing what to do when a child self harms will tell them to get a grip, or give them a smack around the head, rather than talk to them and get help.

 

Haf I agree on your GP comments. They will give anti depressants left right and centre, if you speak to a mental health worker they will tell anyone to tell their GP they don't want tablets they want treatment. The GPs are in the dark ages, they aren't specialists. You trap a nerve they give you pain killers, you could go to an osteopath and they will release the nerve rather than just manage the pain. I've had a GP tell me I've trapped a nerve in my spine and that I shouldn't drive for a month, explained that to the owner of the gym I go to and he gave me a massage and found the nerve was trapped in my hip. Released it and within two days I had no pain.

Education is needed on both sides.

 

Alcohol and any addiction is now handled by mental health workers, not just doctors. Again the help is there, but it has to be asked for. I've heard about that stuff Haf mentioned, as we know it takes a long time for these things to catch up in health services. That's why testing normally takes years as they authorise are too scared of being sued rather than giving the help.

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It might be different in different boroughs, but I know in Manchester and North Wales once you've asked for help, even in the mild cases, you don't go on a waiting list. You are seen very quickly. The NHS has improved massively in response times with mental health, even with budget cuts. The tough part is getting people to ask for help, once you ask it's within a couple of days you will have an assessment and your treatment will begin.

Now mental illness is being treated in he same way as physical illness the improvements over the last five years have been massive.

I can only assume while there is so much stigma still around it even people who have had excellent treatment in a very short space of time do not tell anyone.

 

Also, they don't measure how deep someone is cutting, any cut counts.

 

That's a million light years away from what it's like down here Ste and I speak from personal experience. Person close to me was/is/has been on and off for years self harming but it wasn't deemed serious enough even though no professional has ever seen the depth of cut because the person in question refused to show them the scars/cuts, know that for a fact because I was at every appointment. No one-on-one therapy available unless you go on the waiting list and the quoted wait time was two years, only thing on offer was a non-medically qualified person to visit once a fortnight for a "chat".

 

Mental illness treated the same as physical? Nearly fell off my chair laughing.

 

When I had the little lump in my neck a few years back my GP said, "Probably nothing but just to be on the safe side..." the NHS went turbocharged and my feet didn't touch the ground for months.

 

Both conditions could be potentially fatal but the response was night and day. Maybe it's regional as you say but that's certainly the reality of it down here.

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That's fair enough Mike. I only know about how it works up here because Mrs Stevo is heavily involved and I hear a lot about it and have heard the changes as and when they happened.

 

A guy who works for me tried to take his own life in North Wales a year ago at Christmas and I was involved with his recovery team, so I've seen things with them.

 

Maybe the regional variance is a lot bigger than I thought, but response times in the two places I've witnessed have been great.

 

As you know better than anyone, when things are taken seriously treatment can be , thankfully, a whirlwind. Still much more work to do across the board though.

 

Anyway, feel like I've side tracked this thread. It's a long road for Aaron from here, wish him nothing but the best to sort his health out. Much more important than his day job.

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I saw Andy Johnson has had over 100k retweets after he said he would donate 10p for every retweet to a mental health charity.

I can't see him donating >£1m. :rofl:

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I saw Andy Johnson has had over 100k retweets after he said he would donate 10p for every retweet to a mental health charity.

 

I can't see him donating >£1m. :rofl:

 

He's only going to donate £10,000 with those numbers?

 

He's need 10 millions retweets to get anywhere near a £1m.

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He's only going to donate £10,000 with those numbers?

 

He's need 10 millions retweets to get anywhere near a £1m.

People on twitter still moaning he isn't doing enough, cant win with some people can you.

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A lad I work with has ,not long come out of something like this. He was sectioned but it took them a while to get him a bed. At one time they told him he may even end up in London or somewhere if that was the only bed they could find him.. He was also suicidal and he had a crisis team out to him every day until the bed arrived then he was given intense therapy.

 

He has come out the other side now- they have worked wonders with him. At one time he seemed a broken human being totally devoid of most things that made him who he is. He's back in work now and almost back to his old self. I applaud everyone involved in his rehabilitation because on my many visits to him in Clock Tower and his home I never thought I'd see the same person again.

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I think the problem is Steve.

 

What did I do? :crying smiley:

 

I can only echo the comments of others about depression. It's silent, often goes unnoticed, and afflicts many people. Too often, the attitude is "just get over it," but that's rather cruel. It takes time, understanding, and consistent support. One of the great advances in recent years is that depression is increasingly recognized for what it is - a condition that no-one asks for and which can be treated. Awareness, more than anything, seems to be the key.

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Getting over the first episode of depression is a big step... it gives the person the experience of knowing that they have something they need to watch for...

That they can get help for.

 

Stan collymore wrote a blog describing his feeling as his bipolar episode was happening. He talks of using the treadmill.... Ronnie O'Sullivan is a good read too. He speaks very candidly about depression and how doing so many miles a week has saved him. He's a very good runner.

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Getting over the first episode of depression is a big step... it gives the person the experience of knowing that they have something they need to watch for...

That they can get help for.

 

Stan collymore wrote a blog describing his feeling as his bipolar episode was happening. He talks of using the treadmill.... Ronnie O'Sullivan is a good read too. He speaks very candidly about depression and how doing so many miles a week has saved him. He's a very good runner.

 

I had a tiny taste of this about three years ago. Since discovered that it's extremely common for people who go through cancer treatment to get a type of PTSD some time afterwards, never felt anything like it in my life (and I never want to again). Total complete black despair when everyone around you thinks you should be feeling better because your treatment's done; it's impossible to explain and impossible to rationalise. Fortunately it was pretty short lived and some counselling (first session of which I sat down and cried for 10/15 minutes, couldn't speak a word) and anti depressants sorted me.

 

It's a big thing for me now on the MacMillan cancer forum making people aware of it because it hits a huge number of people.

 

How people deal with it for life is a complete mystery to me.

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Pace without end product is not much use to us, and Lennon is not very creative for a wide player.

He has many friends in London so be good for him if he went back.

My concern is that we won't make any signings with pace, or proper wide players, and I really think it'll hurt us if we don't.

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Um - which team beat Chelsea away?

I was trying to be sarcastic Steve, sadly it didn't come across on computer. Sorry if it misled you mate.

 

Would be a good signing for them. Would rather keep him for Europa and Cup games. Also one of the few pacey players we have.

agreed 100 %

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I think Lennon has to go with the Walcott signing. I know he offers the most defensively of our winger options, so Sam may not want to let him go, but I don't think we can afford to play him with Lookman and Vlasic in the squad behind Bolasie and Walcott.

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1 hour ago, nyblue23 said:

I think Lennon has to go with the Walcott signing. I know he offers the most defensively of our winger options, so Sam may not want to let him go, but I don't think we can afford to play him with Lookman and Vlasic in the squad behind Bolasie and Walcott.

Seeing as we have stopped winning games and played utter shite since Bolasie came in for Lennon that wouldn't be the wisest move just yet. Bolasie still looks miles off the pace. I'd like to see Lennon and Walcott out wide. 

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Just now, nogs said:

Seeing as we have stopped winning games and played utter shite since Bolasie came in for Lennon that wouldn't be the wisest move just yet. Bolasie still looks miles off the pace. I'd like to see Lennon and Walcott out wide. 

I don't disagree, but I also don't see Bolasie being dropped.

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13 hours ago, nyblue23 said:

I don't disagree, but I also don't see Bolasie being dropped.

After the statement by our manager about being more boring, I think he might well be

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18 minutes ago, London Blue said:

Squad is too big, we have plenty of options out wide now. Best let him go for his sake too.

He might not want to go. He’s just gone through a major traumatic experience, he might crave a bit of stability for a while. We might have a big squad, but it not massive. 

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