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great series, i think that showed the DL to be reasonably accurate in all honesty. New Zealand lost it when they dropped Bairstrow. Hoping for an electric T20 to cap off a brilliant series and bring on the Ashes!

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great series, i think that showed the DL to be reasonably accurate in all honesty. New Zealand lost it when they dropped Bairstrow. Hoping for an electric T20 to cap off a brilliant series and bring on the Ashes!

 

In this case it was pretty fair, two games ago it was totally unfair. It needs tweaking for the modern day.

 

Bring on the Aussie bastards; lambs to the slaughter B).Or possibly the complete opposite! At least we're looking like we might give you a game now.

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I'm not really sure how this series will have any bearing on the Ashes? It'll be a totally different team. Not forgetting we'll have the tactical genius back as captain.

 

I know Mark but I was replying to one of the deported convict offspring; the mind games have started and they're a bit thick in the southern hemisphere I believe. All down to having Christmas in the summer. means God hates them :D.

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I know Mark but I was replying to one of the deported convict offspring; the mind games have started and they're a bit thick in the southern hemisphere I believe. All down to having Christmas in the summer. means God hates them :D.

:lol:

 

I keep flitting from being convinced we'll get smashed to thinking we have a chance. I'd take at least being competitive though.

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I know Mark but I was replying to one of the deported convict offspring; the mind games have started and they're a bit thick in the southern hemisphere I believe. All down to having Christmas in the summer. means God hates them :D.

Hahah you wanker :)

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I know Mark but I was replying to one of the deported convict offspring; the mind games have started and they're a bit thick in the southern hemisphere I believe. All down to having Christmas in the summer. means God hates them :D.

 

But they can prepare while singing Aussie Christmas carols: In the bleak midsummer...

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Decent start by England in the T20, 76-1 after eight overs.

 

 

In other news it seems the ECB are looking at increasing the first class sides to twenty-one and having three divisions of seven rather than two of nine. Ireland, Scotland and Devon/Cornwall being the new additions.

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And then 135 all out!

 

Easy, easy, easy!

 

Enjoyed that. Real tough call though as to who of those guys should start an Ashes test; many claims staked but a completely different ball-game to come. I just hope some of the attitude is carried over.

 

Kevin who?

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Enjoyed that. Real tough call though as to who of those guys should start an Ashes test; many claims staked but a completely different ball-game to come. I just hope some of the attitude is carried over.

 

Kevin who?

I can't see many, if any, surprise inclusions from the ODI squad for the Ashes tbh.

 

As much as I'd have liked KP to have been given another chance it's good that this series should've put all that to bed. It was getting tiresome.

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47 for 3 already in Cardiff. I really fear we're going to get thumped in this series!!

 

91-3 now; Root and Ballance to the rescue at the moment and not hanging about which is good to see. Our middle order is capable of good things Pad, I'm not without hope.

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91-3 now; Root and Ballance to the rescue at the moment and not hanging about which is good to see. Our middle order is capable of good things Pad, I'm not without hope.

 

Get to 150 - 3 and we will settle it and put them under pressure...

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Can't believe that Bell got picked after his abysmal performance against NZ. He poked and prodded about for 1 run and could have been out earlier when he miscued a slog against Lyon. He batted like a poor no. 11.

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Australia have to bat yet, we'll see how hard it is to bat on tomorrow.

 

Hoping Broad comes out swinging tomorrow, if he gets on a roll 400+ is very achievable. The "experts" were saying this morning that 250 would be a decent total on the wicket and we've blown that out of the water.

 

We'll roll the convicts out for a couple of hundred and then grind them down with another 400+ and they'll be crying into their saggy green caps while we destroy them again. Job done. move to second test and repeat.

 

Could happen.

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Hoping Broad comes out swinging tomorrow, if he gets on a roll 400+ is very achievable. The "experts" were saying this morning that 250 would be a decent total on the wicket and we've blown that out of the water.

 

We'll roll the convicts out for a couple of hundred and then grind them down with another 400+ and they'll be crying into their saggy green caps while we destroy them again. Job done. move to second test and repeat.

 

Could happen.

It's our Bowlers that worry me.

 

We need lots of dark grey cloud and damp conditions so the seamers can get the ball moving about and the livhts not great. Not sure we have a swing bowler inthe side do we? But if we do and we get murky conditions we could wreak havoc this morning...

 

Cue Australia being 203-1 by lunch.

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It's our Bowlers that worry me.

 

We need lots of dark grey cloud and damp conditions so the seamers can get the ball moving about and the livhts not great. Not sure we have a swing bowler inthe side do we? But if we do and we get murky conditions we could wreak havoc this morning...

 

Cue Australia being 203-1 by lunch.

 

You're not sure we have a swing bowler? What the hell is Anderson? :lol:

 

Wood is known for his reverse swing too - in the Simon Jones mould.

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You're not sure we have a swing bowler? What the hell is Anderson? :lol:

 

Wood is known for his reverse swing too - in the Simon Jones mould.

Anderson is a pace bowler mate, he is not a traditional slower paced swing bowler. He's a seamer a proper swing bowler is a slower paced bowler who moves the ball around.

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Anderson is a pace bowler mate, he is not a traditional slower paced swing bowler. He's a seamer a proper swing bowler is a slower paced bowler who moves the ball around.

 

You should have a word with everyone who sees him as one of the best swing bowlers in the world then, Pad!

 

Simon Jones was a swing bowler and he wasn't slower paced at all.

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400 up :).

 

No way of watching it here sadly short of sitting in a bar all day (which wouldn't go down well). Connection speed in the apartment is far too slow for a stream :(.

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400 up :).

 

No way of watching it here sadly short of sitting in a bar all day (which wouldn't go down well). Connection speed in the apartment is far too slow for a stream :(.

The best part was when Johnson thought he'd taken his first wicket, only for it to be ruled not out :lol:.

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You should have a word with everyone who sees him as one of the best swing bowlers in the world then, Pad!

 

Simon Jones was a swing bowler and he wasn't slower paced at all.

I always though a proper swing bowler was a much slower paced bowler like Irani, sort of inbetween pace and spin. Maybe I'm wrong mate, never mind.

 

Either way Mo Ali was flying there , gone for 77 which makes me think if a tail ender is scoring like that it's a good batting pitch. Experts seem to think it isn't though so if that's the case that is an unbelievable knock edpecially in the pressure of the first Ashes test of the series.

 

Brilliant stuff.

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I know that, but he isn't actually a number 8 batsmen. He plays at the top for his county.

Bit different at test level though, would you be happy if he started 4 for us?

 

He's predominantly a bowler, that's what he's in the side for so 77 runs for a number 8 against Australia is a great knock.8

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Bit different at test level though, would you be happy if he started 4 for us?

 

He's predominantly a bowler, that's what he's in the side for so 77 runs for a number 8 against Australia is a great knock.8

Id be quite happy for him to replace Bell in the order, yes.

 

He's not predominantly a bowler - the bowling is something that is a work in progress, a second string to his bow so to speak. He's a batsmen who can bowl, but it's very much something he's still learning - that's why there's been so much chat about Rashid

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Id be quite happy for him to replace Bell in the order, yes.

 

He's not predominantly a bowler - the bowling is something that is a work in progress, a second string to his bow so to speak. He's a batsmen who can bowl, but it's very much something he's still learning - that's why there's been so much chat about Rashid

We'll have to agree to disagree then Mark, he's playing at 8 for a reason, he's the 4th main bowler

 

He is nowhere near thr quality of Bell.

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We'll have to agree to disagree then Mark, he's playing at 8 for a reason, he's the 4th main bowler

He is nowhere near thr quality of Bell.

 

If he was a true number 8 he wouldn't open or bat at 3 for our one day side. And he's our 5th bowler behind Anderson, Broad, Wood and Stokes. Like you said lets just agree to disagree :).

 

as a very part time cricket fan - what is the relevance of order? Is it proven that better batsmen are more beneficial near the top?

 

Usually at the start of the innings the ball moves around a bit and bowlers are obviously more full of beans so steam in and put everything into their deliveries, so you want your best batsmen facing the start of the innings.

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Usually at the start of the innings the ball moves around a bit and bowlers are obviously more full of beans so steam in and put everything into their deliveries, so you want your best batsmen facing the start of the innings.

 

Plus it gives your best batsmen more time at the crease; if your best went in at number eleven he just has to lose one partner and it's game (innings) over. If he goes in early he can lose multiple partners and still build a big score. There's a difference between best batsmen and best openers though, our best are currently in the middle order but that doesn't mean you send them in first; opening is a specialist job because, as Mark said, the ball is new so moves around more and the bowlers are fresh. The openers primary job is to see off the new ball for the stroke-makers who follow, if they hang around and get a big score so much the better.

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Plus it gives your best batsmen more time at the crease; if your best went in at number eleven he just has to lose one partner and it's game (innings) over. If he goes in early he can lose multiple partners and still build a big score. There's a difference between best batsmen and best openers though, our best are currently in the middle order but that doesn't mean you send them in first; opening is a specialist job because, as Mark said, the ball is new so moves around more and the bowlers are fresh. The openers primary job is to see off the new ball for the stroke-makers who follow, if they hang around and get a big score so much the better.

Agreed. It's why the train of thought is that it's a good idea to have your very best batsman at number 3 - that way if an opener goes down early you have your best batsman coming in next and they can cope with the new ball and spend a lot of time at the crease. It's why there's a lot of talk of moving Root up to 3. Personally, I'd keep him where he is or only move him up slot to 4.

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Amazing how test cricket has changed, back in the days of Boycott we'd have been 300 odd for six after two days with Sir Geoffrey still in on 26 not out. Used to be so many drawn matches, now they only seem to happen when the weather intervenes.

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