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He wasn’t starting regularly for Koeman, so he didn’t think he was up to much back then. 
The lad has always had potential, but he’s never played at this level of his ability before now. 
 

Only Pete could turn a topic about how one of our players has been playing so well into an argument. 

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19 minutes ago, StevO said:

He wasn’t starting regularly for Koeman, so he didn’t think he was up to much back then. 
The lad has always had potential, but he’s never played at this level of his ability before now. 
 

Only Pete could turn a topic about how one of our players has been playing so well into an argument. 

To be fair, not only Pete...

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4 hours ago, pete0 said:

You were made up he came and thought he was better than Holgate. I didn't see any shouts from you last season for Holgate to come in for him. You only made the one comment but let's be honest that was more a dig at Lukaku to down play him scoring a goal. 

I changed my opinion on DCL, Koeman saw something in him that not many of us did. 

How was Davies at fault for both goals? 

I think if you go back... I was one of only 2 or 3 who seem something in DCL.  I stated there were times he wasn't ready or was poor in games but I believed in him from the get go.

Davies? Stupid foul for the 2nd, missed an easy header to clear ball then stood still after he missed it.

The first he and digne were both culpable.  Get rid of it.

 Simple as that. 

 

For the record in 2016 I called holgate a class act and worth £25m already.......

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2 hours ago, Matt said:

Jags, Keane, Holgate then Williams in that order for me. Holgate has the best potential but he wasn’t ready to be relied on as a CB. I would’ve liked him to get more time but Coleman was ahead of him. The loan has helped him become the player we know he can be

We already got to see he was a competent centre half under Koeman. Most at the time would have said he was the best and Williams although limited was the best other option as he had experience and was most suited to help Holgate. 

Silva come in and dropped DCL and Davies, and didn't give Holgate a chance (he also fucked off Vlasic). All these players got minutes under Koeman. Silva turned his nose up at all the kids here. Even DCL only got a proper chance after giving up on Tosun and trying a winger up top over him. 

Also wasn't he playing right back on loan? For me he'd have benefited staying here and playing his own position, not like Keane was pulling up trees. 

1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said:

he was excellent under koeman. i was surprised he was sent on loan i thought he was going to be our starting CB.

Ditto mate. Think some just have very short memories. Before his injury he was first choice by most of us. 

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Just now, Hafnia said:

I think if you go back... I was one of only 2 or 3 who seem something in DCL.  I stated there were times he wasn't ready or was poor in games but I believed in him from the get go.

Davies? Stupid foul for the 2nd, missed an easy header to clear ball then stood still after he missed it.

The first he and digne were both culpable.  Get rid...

 Simple as that. 

Pretty sure I'd already changed my mind before you did but you were very vocal once yer did, as let's be honest you were mostly waxing lyrical that DCL was a hard worker as a dig against Lukaku rather than crediting the talent Dom has. 

What space did he have to get rid, surely that should would have been Digne's job? Also were were his teammates to help him, what were the options on? 

Why is in the position to give that foul away? Because his team mates had just given the ball away cheaply. Foul on the half way shouldn't be given him the blame for the goal. Stood still? It was a scramble none of them could react fast enough. But enjoy picking on the kid like the rest of the booh boys. Many more players and the manager responsible. 

 

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6 minutes ago, pete0 said:

We already got to see he was a competent centre half under Koeman. Most at the time would have said he was the best and Williams although limited was the best other option as he had experience and was most suited to help Holgate. 

Silva come in and dropped DCL and Davies, and didn't give Holgate a chance (he also fucked off Vlasic). All these players got minutes under Koeman. Silva turned his nose up at all the kids here. Even DCL only got a proper chance after giving up on Tosun and trying a winger up top over him. 

Also wasn't he playing right back on loan? For me he'd have benefited staying here and playing his own position, not like Keane was pulling up trees. 

Ditto mate. Think some just have very short memories. Before his injury he was first choice by most of us. 

He showed moments and I was one who was asking for him to get a run of games. Glad he got away from the club because it wasn’t a pleasant atmosphere and he got protected from that, which will have also helped him. Didn’t matter that he went to play RB, he got game time which he wasn’t getting and that experience has helped him become consistent. He wasn’t the player then that he’s showing he is now, let’s just be happy he’s doing well. 

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1 minute ago, pete0 said:

Pretty sure I'd already changed my mind before you did but you were very vocal once yer did, as let's be honest you were mostly waxing lyrical that DCL was a hard worker as a dig against Lukaku rather than crediting the talent Dom has. 

What space did he have to get rid, surely that should would have been Digne's job? Also were were his teammates to help him, what were the options on? 

Why is in the position to give that foul away? Because his team mates had just given the ball away cheaply. Foul on the half way shouldn't be given him the blame for the goal. Stood still? It was a scramble none of them could react fast enough. But enjoy picking on the kid like the rest of the booh boys. Many more players and the manager responsible. 

 

Of course Davies wasn't culpable in any way shape or form..... just like I'm sure you wouldn't lay blame on Gana in the same situation.........

I can go back to any posts and show support for Dom,  holgate I called class in 2016 before you had even commented on him..... you did so in 2017 where you said he should be ahead of cuco..... nice one 

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2 minutes ago, Matt said:

He showed moments and I was one who was asking for him to get a run of games. Glad he got away from the club because it wasn’t a pleasant atmosphere and he got protected from that, which will have also helped him. Didn’t matter that he went to play RB, he got game time which he wasn’t getting and that experience has helped him become consistent. He wasn’t the player then that he’s showing he is now, let’s just be happy he’s doing well. 

But he would have been that player. Silva wrongly chose not to give him them minutes. Him playing instead of Keane alone could have made the difference of finishing 8th. Silva stuck with the seniors and his ill fitting tactics regardless of how poor Keane was. (I'd also add Davies should have got more minutes too over Sig or Gana).

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2 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Of course Davies wasn't culpable in any way shape or form..... just like I'm sure you wouldn't lay blame on Gana in the same situation.........

I can go back to any posts and show support for Dom,  holgate I called class in 2016 before you had even commented on him..... you did so in 2017 where you said he should be ahead of cuco..... nice one 

He's part of the team so he's culpable but he's no where near the top of the list. Many more before him yet you pick on the kid because it's the popular thing to do. 

You then jumped that ship called Keane the next Radcliffe/Dave Watson... 

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I’ll be honest he’s turning out to be a lot better than I thought he would, that loan spell obviously did him a world of good. 
I remember going to emirates a few seasons ago when we lost to a 10 man Arsenal team, he played RB that day and was awful. 
Things are starting to come together for him but he’s still got a lot to learn and is no were near the finished article yet, but he’s heading in the right direction so what’s the problem. 

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On 05/12/2016 at 20:46, Guest rusty747 said:

I feel for Jags but he can have no complaints. Mori is the slightly better option at the moment.

 

On 05/12/2016 at 21:50, pete0 said:
On 05/12/2016 at 20:46, rusty747 said:

I feel for Jags but he can have no complaints. Mori is the slightly better option at the moment.

Holgate should be ahead of him too.

Look at this comment back in 2016, Billy liar at it again.

Also haf after refreshing myself I can you were on a vendetta against Stones at the time rather than being a fan of Holgate. More a case of any one but Stones. 

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5 minutes ago, pete0 said:

 

Look at this comment back in 2016, Billy liar at it again.

Also haf after refreshing myself I can you were on a vendetta against Stones at the time rather than being a fan of Holgate. More a case of any one but Stones. 

You do like to recreate history Pete.....  I pasted some on the DCL thread for you to see how you actually thought he was due for a career at Burnley......

The beauty of being on a 50 minute train journey......  I may have a look at the holgate Keane mularky  for you.   I think opinions have varied week to week on him based on performances..... not least the England managers..... maybe he needs your insight.

Is Chris Brunt English? 

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1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said:

This public comparing of dicks is a little awkward to watch :lol: 

Pretty sure I was the first one who backed Holgate and I challenge anyone to go back in his threat and fine support before me.

Same with DCL! I’m just a regular guru. 
People need to start listening to my wise words. Including the club! And the missus! And kids!

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7 minutes ago, Shukes said:

Pretty sure I was the first one who backed Holgate and I challenge anyone to go back in his threat and fine support before me.

Same with DCL! I’m just a regular guru. 
People need to start listening to my wise words. Including the club! And the missus! And kids!

You win your the biggest dick😂

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34 minutes ago, Shukes said:

Pretty sure I was the first one who backed Holgate and I challenge anyone to go back in his threat and fine support before me.

Same with DCL! I’m just a regular guru. 
People need to start listening to my wise words. Including the club! And the missus! And kids!

You had me on board until you said your missus. That’s asking for far too much. 

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1 hour ago, Hafnia said:

You do like to recreate history Pete.....  I pasted some on the DCL thread for you to see how you actually thought he was due for a career at Burnley......

The beauty of being on a 50 minute train journey......  I may have a look at the holgate Keane mularky  for you.   I think opinions have varied week to week on him based on performances..... not least the England managers..... maybe he needs your insight.

Is Chris Brunt English? 

People said he's not prem level and I named a team he'd play every week at if memory serves. Pretty sure I never said he was burley bound and you're just lying as per usual. 

I've consistently backed DCL yet you were saying Tosun should play over him... 

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Joyce reporting he is set to be offered a new contract. Deservedly so, got to admit I doubted him a lot of the time, but he's looking better each week. Brings the ball out of defence really well and looks so composed, even in his defending. Think he'd look decent if he stepped into midfield which would allow us to get in a CB with a more suitable frame. 

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36 minutes ago, Aidan said:

Joyce reporting he is set to be offered a new contract. Deservedly so, got to admit I doubted him a lot of the time, but he's looking better each week. Brings the ball out of defence really well and looks so composed, even in his defending. Think he'd look decent if he stepped into midfield which would allow us to get in a CB with a more suitable frame. 

Thoroughly deserved. Imagine if he was loaned out again or didn't show this improvement - our other options for the season would be just Keane and Yerry

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He’ll end up at Barcelona at this rate. Brilliant season so far, player of the season along with DCL, and will only get better. VVD move over, there’s a new kid in town

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30 minutes ago, Matt said:

He’ll end up at Barcelona at this rate. Brilliant season so far, player of the season along with DCL, and will only get better. VVD move over, there’s a new kid in town

I mean I think the kid is doing remarkably well this season, far better than I think most of us expected, but let's pump the brakes on the hyperbole. I think he'll end up being a solid defender for us, but I don't see a world where he ends up in the upper echelon of European center halfs

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13 minutes ago, dunlopp9987 said:

I mean I think the kid is doing remarkably well this season, far better than I think most of us expected, but let's pump the brakes on the hyperbole. I think he'll end up being a solid defender for us, but I don't see a world where he ends up in the upper echelon of European center halfs

No hyperbole intended, I genuinely believe he’ll be better. Will take 2-3 years maybe but he’ll be immense 

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