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10 hours ago, sydneyneil said:

I thought he was very poor again though on Sunday...it could be him or Walcott who are left out for me...apart from the Leicester game, I haven’t see him do anything....he can’t beat a man to be playing on the wing and he’s nowhere near as good as sigurdsson...

As long as we continue to perform like we are as a team I hope nobody is left out in the near future.

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35 minutes ago, Paddock said:

He’s still getting into

his stride, he’s played barely any football since March- he’ll get better, the lad has class he will come good but we may have to wait until next season to see him in full flow. Hate the way he’s being slated for playing poor when he had no pre season no competative football for 5 plus months he’s in a new league and a new country. He’ll be sound.

This.

His mind is sharp, just need time for his feet to get upto speed.

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He was our worse player today first half he was very poor second half was slightly better but not good enough, he will get slaughtered against the shite if he keeps giving the ball away like today, I’d definitely play Lookman. 

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I said after his 1st game he wasn't a winger, defenders have sussed him out very quickly he turns inside every time and they know it.

Would be better in the middle but wouldn't get in ahead of Siggy, Gomes, or Gana.

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Yes he seems to find himself in good positions on that left wing where you expect him to have a run at the full back. He refuses every time and just slips a pass back. He’s just too sloppy in possession. I think if he scores 3 goals this season that would be good for him and that’s not enough. We need more goals from those wide areas.

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Not sure what’s going on with him.

Great first touch. Lovely with a football at his feet. Great at pressing.

Seems like a headless Barkley. Bad decisions, terrible passing, and no confidence. Management need to sort his head out.

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He made a lot of mistakes yesterday, but he kept asking for the ball, he kept making the runs and he kept trying the passes even when they didn’t come off. He didn’t hide and that shows a lot about his character. There is a player in him. 

He isn’t a winger, in the same way Pienaar wasn’t a winger, but he will make things happen from that position. 

I wouldn’t play him against Liverpool. I’d have Richarlison back on the wing, I think he would get the better of Alexander Arnold. 

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He is a strange one as he does 75% right, and then fucks up the 25% that you would expect a young lad to yet he is an experienced player. 

I actually thought we saw a lot more from him yesterday than previous games but even so he still needs to sharpen up.

It wasnt just him though, all of the front 4 were guilty of giving the ball away and making bad decisions, especially first half.

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I wasn't annoyed with him any more than I was with our other attacking players yesterday. He had a frustrating day in that he did the first bits right but then would fuck up the final pass, or not shoot when he should, or vice versa (as Bailey said). But that was our attacking play for a lot of the game yesterday, I wouldn't single him out for it.

Again, like Bailey, I thought he showed more yesterday than he has in the past couple of games. He doesn't run at players? Bullshit, I saw him run at players yesterday and it gets me excited because he shows great speed and control of the football when he does it.

I don't know if it's that is confidence is low at the moment or that he's still rusty (or a combination of the two), but I have faith that final ball/decision will come.

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I really think he will come into his own in the new year. He needs time to adapt in a physical league. I think he has done aswell as we could expect. You have to remember he has been out of action for a while aswell

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11 minutes ago, sibdane said:

Gylfi wasn't too great for us last season but has been arguably our best player this season, and he had more of a pre-season than Bernard did. 

It's way too soon to start being harsh on Bernard.  

 

Agreed and Gylfi was getting dropped on a regular basis, sometimes that's the best approach when a player is going through a bad patch, to keep putting them on when they are struggling is not going to do there confidence any good, dropping them is sometimes the best remedy for inconsistency.

And that's not giving up on them far from it it's given them some space to sort themselves out take stock and go again with a different mind set, because it's not ability he lacks it's more believe at the moment for me.

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3 hours ago, Palfy said:

Agreed and Gylfi was getting dropped on a regular basis, sometimes that's the best approach when a player is going through a bad patch, to keep putting them on when they are struggling is not going to do there confidence any good, dropping them is sometimes the best remedy for inconsistency.

And that's not giving up on them far from it it's given them some space to sort themselves out take stock and go again with a different mind set, because it's not ability he lacks it's more believe at the moment for me.

To get his sharpness and his fitness back he needs to get as many minutes in to him as possible . He isn’t going to get up to speed sitting on the bench

 

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3 hours ago, Palfy said:

I don't think it is his sharpness and fitness that's the problem it's his lack of belief and confidence for me.

He keeps showing for the ball, trying to get on it and make things happen. I don’t think you do that if you have a lack of self belief.

 

Thing is, he knows he hasn’t been firing just yet, there’s definitely a lot more the come from him and when we get him firing we are going to be a serious, serious team.

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1 hour ago, Btay said:

He keeps showing for the ball, trying to get on it and make things happen. I don’t think you do that if you have a lack of self belief.

 

Thing is, he knows he hasn’t been firing just yet, there’s definitely a lot more the come from him and when we get him firing we are going to be a serious, serious team.

Agree 100%.

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You can see there is a great player there, I honestly think he isn'tt 100% fit yet hence why he has yet to complete a game. Once he gets his first goal his confidence will grow and we'll see an even better player.

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3 hours ago, aaron said:

You can see there is a great player there, I honestly think he isn'ttt 100% fit yet hence why he has yet to complete a game. Once he gets his first goal his confidence will grow and we'll see an even better player.

I agree.

This is why I think it’s a head thing. There was a ball yesterday that he received in the centre of the pitch, without looking, and with all the time in the world... he played the ball out to the left wing.... to himself... or where he would have been.... but... he wasn’t there.

He needs to relax and slow down a bit.

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2 hours ago, Shukes said:

I agree.

This is why I think it’s a head thing. There was a ball yesterday that he received in the centre of the pitch, without looking, and with all the time in the world... he played the ball out to the left wing.... to himself... or where he would have been.... but... he wasn’t there.

He needs to relax and slow down a bit.

Yeah I know the exact moment you are referring too, the language barrier will be a problem at the moment too but with time we will have a great player on our hands, he will be more of an inside forward in time I think.

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On 25/11/2018 at 19:33, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

I know it’s the Everton way to find a whipping boy but FFS give the lad a chance. As Pad says he was out for a long time and he is just bedding in, give him time

I think he gives us balance and he is  contributing already. Brilliant dribble to the byline and cross for Richarlisons goal at Leicester . Good run off the ball to take the defender away then good one two with Sigurdsson for Richarlison goal at home to Brighton prove he can beat his man and that he doesn’t just play it back

 

I dont want to brandish him with a whipping boy tag and I can see the qualities he has.  He may well come good and he may ust need some time out the team now and a few sub appearances to get some confidence back. However, my point is that we all went a bit OTT on how good he was after the Leicester game and in 10 appearances he has not contributed much (the above two examples is not much in a ten game span of a team playing well).  He's been no better than Walcott, who has become the whipping boy. The time out thing doesnt wash much with me either. Just look at Gomes - hardly played for a year then a bad hamstring injury and he just takes it all in his stride. He's a top quality player who can excel in all conditions (maybe Barca aside!). I just feel that with Bernard, he's going to be a 1 good game in 5 for us. I hope Im wrong, I just think when you are that small, you need to be exceptional. I dont think he is...but time will tell.

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On 25/11/2018 at 19:45, Btay said:

He keeps showing for the ball, trying to get on it and make things happen. I don’t think you do that if you have a lack of self belief.

 

Thing is, he knows he hasn’t been firing just yet, there’s definitely a lot more the come from him and when we get him firing we are going to be a serious, serious team.

Some players adapt quickly to a new league; others just take time. All we need is a little patience. :) I'd really like to see Bernard and Lookman play against Liverpool, because their trickiness could unlock Liverpool's defence.

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It will be very interesting to see how he copes up against Trent Alexander who's game is very much about getting forward down the line, I hope we see Bernard tying him down in his own half and doesn't just let him go and give Digne the problem of trying to cover one of the front 3 and the full back.

He needs to give us a minimum 7/10 performance against the shite if he turns up and gives us is usual 5 or 6 which we have witnessed in his last 4-5 games we will struggle and that goes for Walcott as well although Walcott does put his fair share of defensive work in.

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2 hours ago, Palfy said:

It will be very interesting to see how he copes up against Trent Alexander who's game is very much about getting forward down the line, I hope we see Bernard tying him down in his own half and doesn't just let him go and give Digne the problem of trying to cover one of the front 3 and the full back.

He needs to give us a minimum 7/10 performance against the shite if he turns up and gives us is usual 5 or 6 which we have witnessed in his last 4-5 games we will struggle and that goes for Walcott as well although Walcott does put his fair share of defensive work in.

5 or 6 is probably right but in each of those games hes come up with 2 or 3 moments of brilliance which is why he deserves to start. He could easily have 3 or 4 assists this season and not 1 if those chances were taken. 

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9 minutes ago, Bailey said:

I thought he had his best game for us today. 

He still messed up some simple attacking moves but he showed his class throughout both in attack and defence.

His ability to bring the ball out of the air under pressure is class too.

I thought also he had his best game after the first five minutes when he realised he was responsible for tracking the full back back which he didn't do in their first few attacks down their right.

I thought the best part of his game today was what he did of the ball, and in possession of the ball for me he was slightly below average.

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8 hours ago, Palfy said:

He's not physically strong enough to play in the middle.

I’ve said it before, but he doesn’t need to be physically strong to get the better of others in that position. 

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10 hours ago, Palfy said:

He's not physically strong enough to play in the middle.

Agreed, he needs to be drifting in from the left not starting in the centre.

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2 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

So who drops out?

Nobody we just switch players Bernard is not a winger, Charlison is not a man to play in the centre its just not working.  We can play without a centre forward as we are now, all our players are capable of putting the ball in the net, given the chance.

Some of the best midfielders have been on the small side so that doesn't go against him.

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13 hours ago, Matt said:

I’ve said it before, but he doesn’t need to be physically strong to get the better of others in that position. 

It gets nudged over by full backs and wingers let alone centre backs and DMs. 

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On 03/12/2018 at 08:15, Matt said:

I’ve said it before, but he doesn’t need to be physically strong to get the better of others in that position. 

Most people are stuck in the 90s. Midfield isn’t the crunching playground it used to be.

You get hit much harder rubbish down a line than you will ever get hit in the middle. Wingers are in a shoulder to shoulder battle for most the match. You need to be strong. This is why Bernard struggles taking in the last man.

Players in the middle need sublime control and great vision. Bernard would be great in the middle.

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4 minutes ago, Shukes said:

Most people are stuck in the 90s. Midfield isn’t the crunching playground it used to be.

You get hit much harder rubbish down a line than you will ever get hit in the middle. Wingers are in a shoulder to shoulder battle for most the match. You need to be strong. This is why Bernard struggles taking in the last man.

Players in the middle need sublime control and great vision. Bernard would be great in the middle.

Balance and quick feet will beat any strength in any outfield position. I think Bernard would be better more centrally, but he can do the Pienaar role just as wel, especially with Digne overlapping 

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On 05/12/2018 at 10:12, Shukes said:

Most people are stuck in the 90s. Midfield isn’t the crunching playground it used to be.

You get hit much harder rubbish down a line than you will ever get hit in the middle. Wingers are in a shoulder to shoulder battle for most the match. You need to be strong. This is why Bernard struggles taking in the last man.

Players in the middle need sublime control and great vision. Bernard would be great in the middle.

Its not about being hit. Its the battles and he loses them against full backs and wingers when he has far more space. In the middle he has less space against stronger and more combative players. He will have an advantage in that they are likely to be less agile but as soon as they lean on him he will struggle. 

The other reason I have a doubt about him playing Siggys role is because Siggy plays very advanced. Siggy gets into loads of battles with CBs, like Richie does too, and if thats how Silva wants to play then I dont see how it will work with Bernard. Lots of people are suggesting Richie doesnt have the strength to do that and if he doesnt then Bernard has no chance! 

There are plenty of players in the league that prove that talent and attitude can over come size or pace limitations. Bernard is very weak, well below that of similar small lads, but he is less than 6 months in so I would expect him to adapt over time.

 

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A midfield of Bernard Gana and Gomes is something I don’t want to see, I know Gomes is quality but don’t take the piss out of him he’s doing the work of 2 now some want his to do the work of 3. 

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