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24 minutes ago, Btay said:

Hasn’t proved anyone wrong until he does it consistently over a period of games. He has shown he has the ability now let’s get the consistency.

He cant get the consistency if he plays two games and is then left out for six, the  Manager needs to pick what he thinks is his best team and let them all get the  consistency.

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I've said in the Gomes thread how there was much love has been thrown at him but a couple of poor games and the knives come out. Same with Tom Davies he has been voted motm on the thread in this forum

Listen Mark. If you don't rate a player he can never have a good game, can't play a pass or make a tackle; he can make no contribution to the team whatsoever and is possibly the worst player ever to w

He should be playing never mind sold or loaned.

5 minutes ago, Bill said:

He cant get the consistency if he plays two games and is then left out for six, the  Manager needs to pick what he thinks is his best team and let them all get the  consistency.

No but he has come in and performed at a level that warrants his selection whereas before he wasn’t.

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1 hour ago, Btay said:

Hasn’t proved anyone wrong until he does it consistently over a period of games. He has shown he has the ability now let’s get the consistency.

He has, people doubted he had the talent, the ability to play at this level, he has proved them wrong.

Yes now he needs to demonstrate his ability consistently.  To do that he needs regular games in a position he is suited to, and support from the fans. We need to remember he is only 20 and will be inconsistent.

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1 hour ago, London Blue said:

He has, people doubted he had the talent, the ability to play at this level, he has proved them wrong.

Yes now he needs to demonstrate his ability consistently.  To do that he needs regular games in a position he is suited to, and support from the fans. We need to remember he is only 20 and will be inconsistent.

Cant think of anyone who said he dosent have talent, however 1 good game a season does not mean he's proven himself in this league.

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1 hour ago, London Blue said:

He has, people doubted he had the talent, the ability to play at this level, he has proved them wrong.

Yes now he needs to demonstrate his ability consistently.  To do that he needs regular games in a position he is suited to, and support from the fans. We need to remember he is only 20 and will be inconsistent.

He hasn't proved anyone wrong he's had two good games and I'm made up for the lad but to say he's proved people wrong is ridiculous 

Shall we say he's proved his critics right as he's had far more piss poor games than good? No it's pointless petty and unnecessary

Myself and others who doubt him will be more than happy to be proved wrong believe me 

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14 minutes ago, EFC-Paul said:

He hasn't proved anyone wrong he's had two good games and I'm made up for the lad but to say he's proved people wrong is ridiculous 

Shall we say he's proved his critics right as he's had far more piss poor games than good? No it's pointless petty and unnecessary

Myself and others who doubt him will be more than happy to be proved wrong believe me 

By playing that well against one of the best teams in the country he proved people wrong who doubted he had the talent to perform at that level.

At the risk of repearing myself I have said he needs to do it consistently, which I believe he will if given the games in the right position. 

My articulation of these views is not pointless or petty, and I believe it certainly was necessary given the stick the lad has taken.

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28 minutes ago, MikeO said:

Listen Mark. If you don't rate a player he can never have a good game, can't play a pass or make a tackle; he can make no contribution to the team whatsoever and is possibly the worst player ever to wear the shirt. Any decent play by him you were talking to your mate/in the toilet/opening a beer/washing your hair (delete as applicable) so missed it.

Get with the programme:shakingfist:.

 

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3 hours ago, London Blue said:

By playing that well against one of the best teams in the country he proved people wrong who doubted he had the talent to perform at that level.

At the risk of repearing myself I have said he needs to do it consistently, which I believe he will if given the games in the right position. 

My articulation of these views is not pointless or petty, and I believe it certainly was necessary given the stick the lad has taken.

What stick has he had? I couldn't care what's said at games etc we are referring to on here before that old chestnut possibly gets thrown in....

All people have said (myself included) is we/I don't think he's a starter or he has "it" to become a player starting week in week out at the level we want to be aiming for 

That's no different then the endless list of players who people have had the same thoughts on over the years regardless of age, he's had plenty of games as well but I do admit positionally and in that set up yesterday he looked much better 

As said he can spoon feed me humble pie week in week out and I'll be made up for him and anyone else who dons the shirt but let's see how he fairs first 

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2 hours ago, MikeO said:

Listen Mark. If you don't rate a player he can never have a good game, can't play a pass or make a tackle; he can make no contribution to the team whatsoever and is possibly the worst player ever to wear the shirt. Any decent play by him you were talking to your mate/in the toilet/opening a beer/washing your hair (delete as applicable) so missed it.

Get with the programme:shakingfist:.

He must also be classed as the worst player ever to pull on a blue shirt.... never forget that.... and to make matters worse you find a way of trying to convince people that Scott gemmill was far better than he was credited for despite leaving the club and going on to do fuck all. 

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Enjoyed watching him last night. In fact, I thought that midfield 3 was awesome and complomented each other quite well.

I've always thought Davies was a good compliment to Gana. Leave Gana back to do the scruffy stuff, as he's a little terrier, although Davies to go further forward has he has that bit of extra 'flair' if you like. Both will run through brick walls for you.

Gomes in the mix. That guy is just a pure athlete and has a bit of everything.

Keep these 3 in, as long as they perform this way, and we'll be a much more solid team. Back to basics Marco.

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1 hour ago, EFC-Paul said:

What stick has he had? I couldn't care what's said at games etc we are referring to on here before that old chestnut possibly gets thrown in....

All people have said (myself included) is we/I don't think he's a starter or he has "it" to become a player starting week in week out at the level we want to be aiming for 

That's no different then the endless list of players who people have had the same thoughts on over the years regardless of age, he's had plenty of games as well but I do admit positionally and in that set up yesterday he looked much better 

As said he can spoon feed me humble pie week in week out and I'll be made up for him and anyone else who dons the shirt but let's see how he fairs first 

As you say lets all hope you get to eat lots and lots of humble pie.

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4 hours ago, MikeO said:

Listen Mark. If you don't rate a player he can never have a good game, can't play a pass or make a tackle; he can make no contribution to the team whatsoever and is possibly the worst player ever to wear the shirt. Any decent play by him you were talking to your mate/in the toilet/opening a beer/washing your hair (delete as applicable) so missed it.

Get with the programme:shakingfist:.

Sorry, I’m not one for ignoring facts to suit my opinion. I will learn though, please don’t shout at me again :( 

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6 hours ago, MikeO said:

Listen Mark. If you don't rate a player he can never have a good game, can't play a pass or make a tackle; he can make no contribution to the team whatsoever and is possibly the worst player ever to wear the shirt. Any decent play by him you were talking to your mate/in the toilet/opening a beer/washing your hair (delete as applicable) so missed it.

Get with the programme:shakingfist:.

😂😂😂

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4 hours ago, aaron said:

Kin ell, cant go on any thread on this forum without people having a dig at someone's opinion. This forum is going down the fucking pan.

Bit of irony (which is what that was) has been the backbone of the site as long as I've been here, along with people having a dig at each other; not quite sure why it's upset you:huh:.

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12 hours ago, aaron said:

Kin ell, cant go on any thread on this forum without people having a dig at someone's opinion. This forum is going down the fucking pan.

Mate you sound like me when I’m upset haha. Don’t let it get to you, no one means any harm. It’s just text.

Emotion is hard to see in words.

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On 07/02/2019 at 16:12, MikeO said:

Listen Mark. If you don't rate a player he can never have a good game, can't play a pass or make a tackle; he can make no contribution to the team whatsoever and is possibly the worst player ever to wear the shirt. Any decent play by him you were talking to your mate/in the toilet/opening a beer/washing your hair (delete as applicable) so missed it.

Get with the programme:shakingfist:.

Don't forget that you can never admit that you made a mistake either. 

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It can't be a good sign for him that while not getting chances in the PL with us he couldn't even make the bench last night (he wasn't injured). Also, coupled with Gbamin's injury it doesn't look good for him.

Could've done with loaning him out this season. Have him play every week and actually nail down a set position and see what's what.

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5 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

It can't be a good sign for him that while not getting chances in the PL with us he couldn't even make the bench last night (he wasn't injured). Also, coupled with Gbamin's injury it doesn't look good for him.

Could've done with loaning him out this season. Have him play every week and actually nail down a set position and see what's what.

i have said this year and years previous he should be loaned out, i was lambasted for it on here.  glad to see some others coming to the light side

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https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/how-position-change-tom-davies-16904169

He's got more chance of making it with us in this sort of role IMO. 

For me he just doesn't have any of the qualities you need to play further up the pitch. While he doesn't have the positional sense to play a deeper role, that can be learnt as he goes along.

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2 hours ago, Palfy said:

I hope we don’t toy with the idea of sending him out on loan in the, because he would definitely go the same way as Lookman and possibly Kenny, 8 minutes this season isn’t good enough for young talent like him as we found out with the others, I would say to Silva play him or lose him. 

He’s just not good enough.  Nowhere is he better than the starter.  If gbamin was healthy Davies would be 5th choice at cm behind Gomes Delph Morgan gbamin.  A loan is the best because it would increase his value if he does well and we could sell him.  With the players in our side I just don’t see him making it here.

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12 minutes ago, Finn balor said:

If you look at someone like Torreira at Arsenal, davies could feasible be the same  type of player. Small in stature but can read the game from a deeper position. He always wants the ball which I like. If he can settle in that position I’m sure marcel would be happy with Morgan’s wages off the books 

Mate wouldn’t we all 

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4 hours ago, Finn balor said:

If you look at someone like Torreira at Arsenal, davies could feasible be the same  type of player. Small in stature but can read the game from a deeper position. He always wants the ball which I like. If he can settle in that position I’m sure marcel would be happy with Morgan’s wages off the books 

I don’t know where you get the impression Davies is small? He’s nearly 6 foot and is filling out well. I’ve said before I think he would do well in midfield 3 and be a very good back up for Gomes.

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7 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

If gbamin was healthy Davies would be 5th choice at cm behind Gomes Delph Morgan gbamin.

He's better than Morgan, mostly a different role though.

Even at 4th choice, I'd agree with the loan.  Needs to be playing regularly.  Not to the champs though, he's already better than that.  Lower prem or bundesliga.

Moot point though.  He's stuck till January and Silva needs to get him game time.

If we're going for the cup, Sheffield United at home probably a good chance to start.

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13 hours ago, DownUnderToff said:

He's better than Morgan, mostly a different role though.

Even at 4th choice, I'd agree with the loan.  Needs to be playing regularly.  Not to the champs though, he's already better than that.  Lower prem or bundesliga.

Moot point though.  He's stuck till January and Silva needs to get him game time.

If we're going for the cup, Sheffield United at home probably a good chance to start.

Didn’t we get Wednesday away?

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For me it simple with Tom, his best performances have come when he is further up the pitch floating in-between the lines and helping us control the game where he can run in behind and also drop between the CBs to pick up the ball and move us forward.

Ideally I think he would be more of a box to box player in a single pivot 3 man midfield but in the same breath he doesn't score enough goals. Its tough for him at the moment as I don't see where he fits in other than to play as the sub for Siggy when we are ahead and need to see the game out.

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We could take a leaf out of Frank Lampards book he put 3 under 21s in his team yesterday and between them they scored all of Chelsea’s 5 goals, in fact this season between them they’ve scored all of  their 11 goals this season. 

I can’t help wondering if Davies was in his squad he would be playing, let’s not be found guilty of losing our young talent because we are not giving them the opportunity they deserve even Kenny won rookie of the month in the Bundes league, could he have his head turned as Lookman and want to make it permanent why wouldn’t he. 

Davies is definitely good enough to play for us, and not giving him is fair opportunity and then as some have mooted send him out on loan is a recipe for losing him in my opinion. 

And for me that wouldn’t be good enough we have a good academy bringing through some good lads, and we were always led to believe Brands was a great advocate of giving youth a chance, well let’s start seeing it by giving Davies the opportunity he deserves instead of playing players who are out of form and players who are no better. 

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1 hour ago, Finn balor said:

I know lampard is the flavour of the month at the minute but let’s see what happens when he can buy his own players 

This all day long.  Lampard is forced to play those kids.  If he wasn’t he wouldn’t he would have big time Spanish import and French leaguer in there instead.  It would be business as usual with those kids on their 15th loan of their career before being sold.

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4 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

This all day long.  Lampard is forced to play those kids.  If he wasn’t he wouldn’t he would have big time Spanish import and French leaguer in there instead.  It would be business as usual with those kids on their 15th loan of their career before being sold.

He isnt forced. He could play Giroud or Batshuayi. He has lots of options in midfield too and options at the back. I agree that he might have bought other players in as well but lets not undermine what Lampard has done.

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