Chach Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 Think a few fans need to reset their expectations, European football is an ambition for us not an entitlement. Its been a frustrating month, but we're playing attacking football and still in the hunt, Martinez In. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brisbaneblue Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 David Moyes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 David Moyes What about him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKR toffee Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 We are an entertaining team to watch under martinez but the way he totally disregards the defensive part of our game really pisses me off defenders are there to stop goals not to look fancy on the ball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideliner Posted December 22, 2015 Report Share Posted December 22, 2015 Martinez can be blamed for poor team selection and lack of timely and brave substitutions but players not taking chances and defenders making basic defensive errors can only be blamed on the players themselves our midtable position can be attributed to both manager AND players equally contributing both have to lift their game to lift us up the table Romey 1878 and Chach 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted December 22, 2015 Report Share Posted December 22, 2015 Martinez can be blamed for poor team selection and lack of timely and brave substitutions but players not taking chances and defenders making basic defensive errors can only be blamed on the players themselves our midtable position can be attributed to both manager AND players equally contributing both have to lift their game to lift us up the table All very true but when the same players are repeatedly making the same mistakes and are still being selected week after week then the buck stops with the manager Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flaminfox Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 He doesn't rotate and can't sort out a defense. We have one of the best squads in a very long time and I fear we will lose all the good players very soon. If he is unable to get the best out of him, he needs to go. Clearly he can't, so I think we should be finding a replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 If he is unable to get the best out of him, he needs to go. Clearly he can't, so I think we should be finding a replacement. As I've alluded to elsewhere, you'd have been one of the guys screaming for Kendall to be sacked in 1983, when our performances were infinitely more depressing than they are now and we had crowds of 15,000. I'd still give him time, we're very close to being very good imo. Chach and dlblue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 I say sack him now right away before we get into the busy christmas period, that way we can assure ourselves of an exciting relegation battle in the next half of the season. :shaking fist: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 I've said it before if we are not within six points of top four after chrimbo he should be gone. This squad needs to know we are improving and can challenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 If he went I'd look at Glenn hoddle as a temporary appointment. Think he is a talented coach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rusty747 Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 (edited) Bilic but I wouldn't be upset with Hoddle. Plays the game the right way but knows how to defend. Edited December 23, 2015 by rusty747 dlblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 Bilic but I wouldn't be upset with Hoddle. Plays the game the right way but knows how to defend. Rusty, you were around back then. I assume you were calling for Kendall to be sacked in '83? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 Can't believe there haven't been any shouts for Holloway or Coyle this time around! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rusty747 Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 (edited) Rusty, you were around back then. I assume you were calling for Kendall to be sacked in '83?No, I wasn't but I will admit to being very pleasantly surprised at the success Kendall delivered from 84-87. I like Roberto and am desperate for his brand of football to succeed but it wont. He is 100% an ideals and philosophy man. That is commendable but doesn't win football matches or trophies. We need to learn when to dig in and grind out a result. If Roberto can learn how to do that and when to do that then I will be delighted. But he is very stubborn and I think he would see it as compromising his principles. Edited December 23, 2015 by rusty747 markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKR toffee Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 Sure Martinez passes people off at times but have to give him this season he might just turn it around there's still a chance off a cup trophy and we are only 6 points off a champions league place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 No, I wasn't but I will admit to being very pleasantly surprised at the success Kendall delivered from 84-87. I like Roberto and am desperate for his brand of football to succeed but it wont. He is 100% an ideals and philosophy man. That is commendable but doesn't win football matches or trophies. We need to learn when to dig in and grind out a result. If Roberto can learn how to do that and when to do that then I will be delighted. But he is very stubborn and I think he would see it as compromising his principles. best post I've seen for ages. Hit my thoughts exactly rust markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rusty747 Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 (edited) Sure Martinez passes people off at times but have to give him this season he might just turn it around there's still a chance off a cup trophy and we are only 6 points off a champions league place.I agree but it is so frustrating to see him send the same team out, to play the same way, to make the same mistakes, to lose points. Bournemouth, Palace, Norwich, Leicester. Four consecutive games where we dominated but lost points because we couldn't turn domination into goals and were porous at the back. That should have been fixed at Finch Farm after the Bournemouth game if Martinez was a winner. Edited December 23, 2015 by rusty747 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 Forget the last minute Barkley goal at Bournemouth we were two nil up at half time. Palace I can forgive because we never got our noses in front. Norwich again in front at half time. Leicester at home. The overriding things in all these matches were the inability to kill teams off or the inflexability of our manager to taken the game by the scruff of the neck and change things. I get a sense the players like Martinez but he isn't the man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted December 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 Do we write off another season and "hope" he comes good? Can't see it markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 No I totally agree. The thing is it's mad I work in Manchester and I'm saying Martinez should be sacked and from the outside people love him. He talks a great game to people that don't support us. They just can't see it. I'll give him to chrimbo . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 Can't believe the panic going on, it's bizarre. Chach 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 I see it as a step by step process. First step is getting us to play a system. After that he should work on the finer points. Am I the only one who thinks we are a much better and more exciting team than last year? dlblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 I see it as a step by step process. First step is getting us to play a system. After that he should work on the finer points. Am I the only one who thinks we are a much better and more exciting team than last year? After the best part of three years he's still trying to get us to play a system. So, we're still on the first step... markjazzbassist and pete0 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 His post match comments are condescending. He has the same bullshit-itis Rodgers hads, that the even delirious Kopites got fed up of. On top of that he has too much faith in keeping possession rather than winning. He should be looking at Mourinho and Alladyce, rather than keeping preaching the Barca way. markjazzbassist and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 After the best part of three years he's still trying to get us to play a system. So, we're still on the first step... thank you. the system is outdated. what next the players bring back "frosted tips" hair style and parachute pants? it's not 2009 Barca, it's 2016 and that has been sussed out. Clearly evident by the shit teams beating us due to the known "park the bus" kryptonite to barca's style. best team we've had in years, moyes had the likes of neville, straq, bily, etc on the bench some real shit and we have mirallas lennon naisy and we need more time? half the teams in the prem wish they had our squad, it's not their fault, its the manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 His post match comments are condescending. He has the same bullshit-itis Rodgers hads, that the even delirious Kopites got fed up of. On top of that he has too much faith in keeping possession rather than winning. He should be looking at Mourinho and Alladyce, rather than keeping preaching the Barca way. He said recently that the next 8 weeks (now 7) the most important thing was how we play and not how many points we get... Absolute crazy talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 He said recently that the next 8 weeks (now 7) the most important thing was how we play and not how many points we get... Absolute crazy talk.He must be auditioning for the Barca job. Madness that the club haven't put any pressure on him, he's wasted another season. If he didn't dick about we could be top right now. Deacs and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 http://www.umaxit.com/index.php/columns/everton-martinez-holding-club-back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalkpie Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 thank you. the system is outdated. what next the players bring back "frosted tips" hair style and parachute pants? it's not 2009 Barca, it's 2016 and that has been sussed out. Clearly evident by the shit teams beating us due to the known "park the bus" kryptonite to barca's style. best team we've had in years, moyes had the likes of neville, straq, bily, etc on the bench some real shit and we have mirallas lennon naisy and we need more time? half the teams in the prem wish they had our squad, it's not their fault, its the manager. I agree with this crazy 'Murican! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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