Cornish Steve Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 He doesn't want away though, that's the point and may be part of the reason that he's still here. Be ironic if he actually turns out to be a proper player now. Can't see the club selling many shirts with his name on though.. Oh, I don't know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 He doesn't want away though, that's the point and may be part of the reason that he's still here. Be ironic if he actually turns out to be a proper player now. Can't see the club selling many shirts with his name on though.. Have a look at the clearance sale from last season's shirts, 90% of them are pre-printed Niasse jobs. Can't give them away! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baba Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 To his credit, when the manager publicly ridiculed him by saying that if he likes playing football, then he needs to leave he resisted any social media/ press responses and just carried on turning up to training. Can't imagine that I would have reacted so reservedly had my boss done the same to me in public. It would be nice if Koeman were to apologise for what was an unnecessary public statement now. Irrespective of how good or bad a player he is, he deserves to be treated with some dignity (though reports of his private life suggest that perhaps he doesn't deserve that, but another matter altogether) Romey 1878, Matt and Lowensda 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 Based on what I have seen he's not a footballer - there is a chance we will get to see more of him so I hope he proves us all wrong. £13m - Martinez should be taken to court. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 To his credit, when the manager publicly ridiculed him by saying that if he likes playing football, then he needs to leave he resisted any social media/ press responses and just carried on turning up to training. Can't imagine that I would have reacted so reservedly had my boss done the same to me in public. It would be nice if Koeman were to apologise for what was an unnecessary public statement now. Irrespective of how good or bad a player he is, he deserves to be treated with some dignity (though reports of his private life suggest that perhaps he doesn't deserve that, but another matter altogether) I don't think Koeman should apologize. I appreciate his honesty and that's hard to come by in this business these days. What I'd like to see is Niasse use it as motivation and prove Koeman wrong -- then maybe Koeman will have softer words for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baba Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 I don't think Koeman should apologize. I appreciate his honesty and that's hard to come by in this business these days. What I'd like to see is Niasse use it as motivation and prove Koeman wrong -- then maybe Koeman will have softer words for him. How would you feel if your boss did the same to you, in public, when you had tried your best but just weren't very good? Don't think he's lacking motivation, based upon his headless chicken like running all over the park when he's appeared. He certainly looks like a trier if nothing else. Not his fault that we bought him, and football isn't like other jobs where you apply to the employer. We (Martinez) went after him. Not saying there's an issue in Koeman thinking he's not good enough or even telling him that privately because he's most probably absolutely right, but it lacks class to personally attack someone through the media. For what it's worth, I entirely agree that Martinez has failed us massively with this one, but he's still a human being and still should be treated with dignity at the least. Romey 1878 and MikeO 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 Not his fault that we bought him, and football isn't like other jobs where you apply to the employer. We (Martinez) went after him. Bingo. These guys are paid millions upon millions. I'm sure he can take a comment like that. Maybe Koeman could've put it more lightly, but at the same time, why beat around the bush? If my boss was paying me that much then I think I'd be okay, even if it my ego was a little bruised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 How would you feel if your boss did the same to you, in public, when you had tried your best but just weren't very good? Don't think he's lacking motivation, based upon his headless chicken like running all over the park when he's appeared. He certainly looks like a trier if nothing else. Not his fault that we bought him, and football isn't like other jobs where you apply to the employer. We (Martinez) went after him. Not saying there's an issue in Koeman thinking he's not good enough or even telling him that privately because he's most probably absolutely right, but it lacks class to personally attack someone through the media. For what it's worth, I entirely agree that Martinez has failed us massively with this one, but he's still a human being and still should be treated with dignity at the least. Everton thinking mate, and hope it never changes. For me it was unnecessary, a guy of his level should be intelligent enough to be able to say it without saying it. I have had many bosses that say it like it is.....I often label them as assholes! Funnily enough, most people I know do to. Unless they are the boss of the football team they support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 Bingo. These guys are paid millions upon millions. I'm sure he can take a comment like that. Maybe Koeman could've put it more lightly, but at the same time, why beat around the bush? If my boss was paying me that much then I think I'd be okay, even if it my ego was a little bruised. I suppose money talks for you then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baba Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 Bingo. These guys are paid millions upon millions. I'm sure he can take a comment like that. Maybe Koeman could've put it more lightly, but at the same time, why beat around the bush? If my boss was paying me that much then I think I'd be okay, even if it my ego was a little bruised. I get paid much more now than I did 10 years ago, but if my boss went on TV, radio etc. and told everybody what a useless twat I was and that if I like being in employment then I ought to look for a new job then I'd be as upset now as I was back then. And it wouldn't have anything whatsoever to do with how much money I have or haven't got. Maybe values are a bit different on the other side of the Atlantic, which is fair enough if so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 I get paid much more now than I did 10 years ago, but if my boss went on TV, radio etc. and told everybody what a useless twat I was and that if I like being in employment then I ought to look for a new job then I'd be as upset now as I was back then. And it wouldn't have anything whatsoever to do with how much money I have or haven't got. Maybe values are a bit different on the other side of the Atlantic, which is fair enough if so. Type of guy i would buy a pint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 I get paid much more now than I did 10 years ago, but if my boss went on TV, radio etc. and told everybody what a useless twat I was and that if I like being in employment then I ought to look for a new job then I'd be as upset now as I was back then. And it wouldn't have anything whatsoever to do with how much money I have or haven't got. Maybe values are a bit different on the other side of the Atlantic, which is fair enough if so. That's not what he said though is it? Not even close. "If he wants to play football then he needs to leave Everton" is what he said. What a downright dispicable and hurtful thing to say! He really attacked Niasse, went after him publicly, ridiculed him, said he was rubbish. Nah, he just said that he wouldn't play if he stayed at Everton. What an absolute bastard! Sibdane, duncanmckenzieismagic and Baba 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 I suppose money talks for you then. I suppose. Maybe values are a bit different on the other side of the Atlantic, which is fair enough if so. Maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 Type of guy i would buy a pint. Don't forget the ring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghoat Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 Telling him in private is absolutely fair and honest. Doing so publicly...made me cringe a little. If Niasse had been squawking to the media about his lack of playing time, or the team....that would be different, but he wasn't. I'm pretty mixed about it, but I think it was avoidable and there are probably more effective ways to motivate someone, if that was part of it. I'm not sure which side of the Atlantic that puts me on. Perhaps the Azores? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baba Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 That's not what he said though is it? Not even close. "If he wants to play football then he needs to leave Everton" is what he said. What a downright dispicable and hurtful thing to say! He really attacked Niasse, went after him publicly, ridiculed him, said he was rubbish. Nah, he just said that he wouldn't play if he stayed at Everton. What an absolute bastard! Fair points but whilst not pointedly nasty, his words were extremely sarcastic - which is the other side of the same coin. My post wasn't intended to imply that he'd used the same words as my hypothetical example used and in fact in using those words I detracted from my own basic point. I understand and agree with your comments, but maintain my original point of decency and respect, and saying things like that in private rather than public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 Don't forget the ring. What ring is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 Fair points but whilst not pointedly nasty, his words were extremely sarcastic - which is the other side of the same coin. My post wasn't intended to imply that he'd used the same words as my hypothetical example used and in fact in using those words I detracted from my own basic point. I understand and agree with your comments, but maintain my original point of decency and respect, and saying things like that in private rather than public. But he actually did what you said he should do and "said it without saying it". He was asked in his press conference about the situation with Niasse and instead of saying outright that he thinks Niasse is crap and he's desperate to get shut of him he gave a diplomatic answer. I'm really struggling to see what the fuss is about, just as I have been since people blew up about it originally . Sibdane, Baba and markjazzbassist 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 Koeman was asked a question. He answered honestly. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 No one's making a fuss, it's more people made a comment that they thought it lacked class and otgers are making a fuss about it. Some think it's ok, others think it lacked class. No big deal either way. And Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baba Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 But he actually did what you said he should do and "said it without saying it". I suggested that he ought to have said nothing in public and dealt with it privately. The response to the press conference question could easily just have been the tried and tested rebuff along lines of 'Oumar Niasse is a player for this club at this time.' Like you say though, lots of fuss and probably not worth this much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 I suggested that he ought to have said nothing in public and dealt with it privately. The response to the press conference question could easily just have been the tried and tested rebuff along lines of 'Oumar Niasse is a player for this club at this time.' Like you say though, lots of fuss and probably not worth this much. Must've been someone else that said that then (Shukes maybe?), so apologies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 Must've been someone else that said that then (Shukes maybe?), so apologies! I get the blame for everything. You guys pick on me I swear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 I get the blame for everything. You guys pick on me I swear. wasn't picking you on you, I promise . I just know I'd read that somewhere on the previous page (I hope ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 I get the blame for everything. You guys pick on me I swear. No we don't you sniveling little wimp, just give me your dinner money and we'll say no more. Bailey and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 Bullys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 I know how Niasse feels now. Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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marcopaulo Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 I was gonna make you do my homework but not with grammar like that! MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted September 19, 2016 Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 Everton @Everton 16m16 minutes ago GOAL! Oumar Niasse scores from close range to make it 3-0 to #EFCU23 on 68 minutes. The Young Blues now well in control against @Arsenal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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