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5 minutes ago, Shukes said:

Add to this, the celebrated manager who’s been looking at him for a few weeks now...... picked him for the squad and put him on the pitch.

we literally have no one else, everyone is injured.  when richarlison is fit and iwobi he will go back to u23.   so your demotion bit makes no sense because he has continually been demoted to the u23 and will be there the rest of the year.  instead he could put himself in the shop window and hope to bag a couple to get another contract in england or maybe back to russia.  as is, i think he will be playing in a pub league when his contract expires.

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2 hours ago, Zoo 2.0 said:

Just because it's Everton doesn't make it any different to the Gareth Bale situation for me. It's not Niasse's fault that we put him on a bumper contract, if I were in the same boat at another club I'd do the same.

He's not going to get the same money elsewhere so is taking what he is owed from his employer, exactly what anyone else would do in his situation. Not every footballer bleeds for Everton and will bend over backwards for the club (especially after how he was treated by Koeman). You can't blame him for sitting in the reserves earning double the money he would get elsewhere in what is a notoriously short career. 

The frustrations should be taken out on whoever scouted and approved the signing of Oumar as he was never good enough and hasn't looked Premier League quality since day one. I'll always respect him for putting in 110% each week but Russian football is probably his level. 

I won't knock the lad, he tried. But in your short pro career surely it is better to be playing competitive football in as higher league as possible and maybe improving your football?

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2 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

we literally have no one else, everyone is injured.  when richarlison is fit and iwobi he will go back to u23.   so your demotion bit makes no sense because he has continually been demoted to the u23 and will be there the rest of the year.  instead he could put himself in the shop window and hope to bag a couple to get another contract in england or maybe back to russia.  as is, i think he will be playing in a pub league when his contract expires.

It makes complete sense. You might not agree, but it makes sense. He is looking at a team that has DCL and a kid who had t scored before tonight. 
Richarlison is our other striker. 
 

Surely you would be looking at that situation and think, one injury and I’m back in with a chance to prove myself. 
 

Bang, look what’s happened. Richarlison gets injured and he’s back on the bench. 
 

Im not saying he is good enough. But his ability is what he is stuck with. He can only play to that ability. 

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7 minutes ago, Shukes said:

It makes complete sense. You might not agree, but it makes sense. He is looking at a team that has DCL and a kid who had t scored before tonight. 
Richarlison is our other striker. 
 

Surely you would be looking at that situation and think, one injury and I’m back in with a chance to prove myself. 
 

Bang, look what’s happened. Richarlison gets injured and he’s back on the bench. 
 

Im not saying he is good enough. But his ability is what he is stuck with. He can only play to that ability. 

His ability is a known quantity. It isn't there. We might as well have kept hold of Tosun if that was the case and we were concerned about injury. We should definitely have put a u23 into the squad instead. Niasse has proved time and again that he just isn't capable. Might as well stick Michael Keane up front

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10 minutes ago, TallPaul1878 said:

His ability is a known quantity. It isn't there. We might as well have kept hold of Tosun if that was the case and we were concerned about injury. We should definitely have put a u23 into the squad instead. Niasse has proved time and again that he just isn't capable. Might as well stick Michael Keane up front

Don’t disagree. But we didn’t. And he isn’t the manager.

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3 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

He’s fucking useless! Useless! It’d be better to play with ten men but I’d rather just put Simms on the bench. He cannot be worse than this sack of excrement. 

I would much rather have Simms on the bench as well. 

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17 hours ago, Shukes said:

Add to this, the celebrated manager who’s been looking at him for a few weeks now...... picked him for the squad and put him on the pitch.

And did you see the qualities he brought to the game, big fat zero, he needs to go, way way off PL level

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13 hours ago, pete0 said:

We needed someone to come on and keep hold of the ball. Niasse was not that someone. 

We had players on the pitch who could keep hold of the ball we just took them off to try and close the game down, something that Martinez and Silva were accused constantly of not doing, only it backfired dramatically. 
 

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6 hours ago, Wiggytop said:

And did you see the qualities he brought to the game, big fat zero, he needs to go, way way off PL level

Don’t disagree at all. I don’t think he’s good enough for us at all. Shouldn’t be anywhere near the first team.

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10 minutes ago, Haiku said:

 

Fuck off. The least this lad deserves after all he's been through is just a little bit of appretiation! For the limited time he's been on the pitch, he got us some pretty important points. For those keep bashing him he's not good enough, yeah tell me something I don't know. And how the fuck you judged his contribution for 5 fucking minutes yesterday in a moment when the whole team had a mental fart!? Sick of reading this kind of bullshit. Sorry for double post.

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55 minutes ago, Haiku said:

Fuck off. The least this lad deserves after all he's been through is just a little bit of appretiation! For the limited time he's been on the pitch, he got us some pretty important points. For those keep bashing him he's not good enough, yeah tell me something I don't know. And how the fuck you judged his contribution for 5 fucking minutes yesterday in a moment when the whole team had a mental fart!? Sick of reading this kind of bullshit. Sorry for double post.

This is what I mean. I haven’t said anywhere he is good enough, he’s not.

But he doesn't deserve all the hate is getting. He isn’t the one picking himself. He didn’t sell Cenk either. And I doubt he injured Richarlison.

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1 hour ago, Haiku said:

Fuck off. The least this lad deserves after all he's been through is just a little bit of appretiation! For the limited time he's been on the pitch, he got us some pretty important points. For those keep bashing him he's not good enough, yeah tell me something I don't know. And how the fuck you judged his contribution for 5 fucking minutes yesterday in a moment when the whole team had a mental fart!? Sick of reading this kind of bullshit. Sorry for double post.

How to win friends and influence people ! 
Let me put it this way, loaned to Hull, option to buy not taken, Loaned to Cardiff, option to buy not taken, refuses to go to a championship team on loan this window, came on last night, had the opportunity to run at goal from centre circle, ball bounces 5 yards of him and we loose possession. Yeah he tries and does it with a smile, I would for the wages he gets, probably with same results as last night.

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35 minutes ago, Shukes said:

This is what I mean. I haven’t said anywhere he is good enough, he’s not.

But he doesn't deserve all the hate is getting. He isn’t the one picking himself. He didn’t sell Cenk either. And I doubt he injured Richarlison.

No one who pulls our shirt on deserves to be hated because there below the calibre we expect, he didn’t sign himself or write his own contract and I’m sure when he’s had the opportunity he’s given his best why wouldn’t he. 

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4 hours ago, Haiku said:

Fuck off. The least this lad deserves after all he's been through is just a little bit of appretiation! For the limited time he's been on the pitch, he got us some pretty important points. For those keep bashing him he's not good enough, yeah tell me something I don't know. And how the fuck you judged his contribution for 5 fucking minutes yesterday in a moment when the whole team had a mental fart!? Sick of reading this kind of bullshit. Sorry for double post.

Well put.

However, I still believe he's good enough at this level based on his high energy, high pressing game and strength. Yes, he hasn't the finesse of a graceful footballer but then he has the necessary attributes to change a game like he done against Bournemouth.

Anyway, I'd expect Niasse to get more games for Everton. Couldn't care less what other forum members think. 

 

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39 minutes ago, Aidan said:

He's not technically good enough for this level of football - I don't think that's open for debate really. 

Exactly what you’ve said. Great attitude and application unfortunately not up to the skill set we need. I think he’s done pretty well out of us and we got some crucial goals from here. Both need to move on one other.

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1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said:

He's scored 12 goals in 4 years. 4 of them for Hull. And one for us with his arse.

It is very difficult to score goals when playing for clubs fighting relegation. However, he has manage to score against Man Utd and Liverpool while playing for Hull. The Cardiff manager was full of praise for him. 

His scoring stats on goals per minute was impressive when Koeman brought him back into the team. 

 

I've seen enough of Niasse to realise he has enough attributes to play in the premiership. Any cries of lacking in ability is based on personal opinion.

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1 hour ago, Undisputed_blue said:

It is very difficult to score goals when playing for clubs fighting relegation. However, he has manage to score against Man Utd and Liverpool while playing for Hull. The Cardiff manager was full of praise for him. 

His scoring stats on goals per minute was impressive when Koeman brought him back into the team. 

 

I've seen enough of Niasse to realise he has enough attributes to play in the premiership. Any cries of lacking in ability is based on personal opinion.

It’s personal opinion after watching him show countless times that he lacks ability in an extreme way. You won’t even find his biggest “fans” saying he has ability, it’s all about his determination.

Against Newcastle he has a breakaway on with DCL supporting him, his next touch was a fucking tackle and he lost the ball. That’s a lack of a ability. Not to mention Newcastle then went down our end and scored their first. 

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1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said:

 

Against Newcastle he has a breakaway on with DCL supporting him, his next touch was a fucking tackle and he lost the ball. That’s a lack of a ability. Not to mention Newcastle then went down our end and scored their first. 

I’ve already said that but some seem happy to ignore it

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3 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

It’s personal opinion after watching him show countless times that he lacks ability in an extreme way. You won’t even find his biggest “fans” saying he has ability, it’s all about his determination.

Against Newcastle he has a breakaway on with DCL supporting him, his next touch was a fucking tackle and he lost the ball. That’s a lack of a ability. Not to mention Newcastle then went down our end and scored their first. 

He hasn't played at this level for a while so of course his touch isn't going to be perfect. 

A lot of Niasse's critics have a Fifa playstation approach to how a player should play. In reality it takes time for a player to warm up and adapt to the playing climate. To judge him on limited playing minutes, to me, is shocking. I rather judge him once he has played at least 6 weeks worth of games. Anything less then you are judging a rusty player.

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30 minutes ago, Undisputed_blue said:

He hasn't played at this level for a while so of course his touch isn't going to be perfect. 

A lot of Niasse's critics have a Fifa playstation approach to how a player should play. In reality it takes time for a player to warm up and adapt to the playing climate. To judge him on limited playing minutes, to me, is shocking. I rather judge him once he has played at least 6 weeks worth of games. Anything less then you are judging a rusty player.

Would you play him in the next six games?

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35 minutes ago, Undisputed_blue said:

He hasn't played at this level for a while so of course his touch isn't going to be perfect. 

A lot of Niasse's critics have a Fifa playstation approach to how a player should play. In reality it takes time for a player to warm up and adapt to the playing climate. To judge him on limited playing minutes, to me, is shocking. I rather judge him once he has played at least 6 weeks worth of games. Anything less then you are judging a rusty player.

I’m judging him on everything that he’s ever shown. The Newcastle example just sums him up to a tee.

You can keep going with this until you’re red in the face if you like. 

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1 hour ago, StevO said:

Would you play him in the next six games?

I'd not start him next 6 but his shitness mixed with hardwork making him so unpredictable can be useful. Think he'd have been fine starting v newcastle, but he was definitely the wrong sub to see out the game. 

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It's not his fault he is on a big contract and has, no doubt, been advised not to move by his agent.

All that any of us can do is our best. And that is something that the lad always tries to do. The fact that he is maybe not technically good enough for us and should never have been signed is the fault of the set up that signed him, not his.

He can be very frustrating to watch but while he demonstrates the excellent attitude that most of the rest of the team have been missing, he will get no criticism from me.

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5 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

I’m judging him on everything that he’s ever shown. The Newcastle example just sums him up to a tee.

You can keep going with this until you’re red in the face if you like. 

No need to. The only opinion that matters is Carlo's. Big Duncan is also a fan of Niasse. He knows his game. You obviously don't.

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5 minutes ago, Undisputed_blue said:

No need to. The only opinion that matters is Carlo's. Big Duncan is also a fan of Niasse. He knows his game. You obviously don't.

We’ll see when it comes to renewing his contract just how much Carlo wants him. Not to mention we’re actively trying to get him out of the club. You keep telling yourself he’s decent though. 

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4 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

We’ll see when it comes to renewing his contract just how much Carlo wants him. Not to mention we’re actively trying to get him out of the club. You keep telling yourself he’s decent though. 

I suspect Niasse will play an active role until the end of season. What happens during the summer is anyone's guess.

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Just now, Undisputed_blue said:

I suspect Niasse will play an active role until the end of season. What happens during the summer is anyone's guess.

I hope he does... at another club. If we can find a club the superstar deems suitable, of course. And we all know he’ll have his pick of clubs with all that talent. 

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2 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

I hope he does... at another club. If we can find a club the superstar deems suitable, of course. And we all know he’ll have his pick of clubs with all that talent. 

In the meantime I'll be expecting more Niasse game time.

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1 hour ago, Undisputed_blue said:

In the meantime I'll be expecting more Niasse game time.

Not trying to be funny, but as the only person who wants to see him play, what have you seen in him that is more useful than DCL, Richarlison or Kean for him to warranty playing instead of one of those lads?

And, to be funny, have you ever actually seen him play? I’m pretty sure I’ve seen every minute he’s played for the first team, I can promise you, he’s shite. 

Finally, Marcel Brands stood you at the AGM and said he’s trying to get rid of him. 

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On 23/01/2020 at 23:07, StevO said:

Not trying to be funny, but as the only person who wants to see him play, what have you seen in him that is more useful than DCL, Richarlison or Kean for him to warranty playing instead of one of those lads?

And, to be funny, have you ever actually seen him play? I’m pretty sure I’ve seen every minute he’s played for the first team, I can promise you, he’s shite. 

Finally, Marcel Brands stood you at the AGM and said he’s trying to get rid of him. 

Probably because I feel Niasse has been unfairly treated during his contract with Everton. He has already proven he can score premiership goals. His record in the 2017/18 season was a goal every 135 minutes. This season, Richarlison average a goal every 228 minutes and DCL average a goal every 149 minutes.

Perhaps you judged him on appearance similar to judging a book by its cover rather than reading the book itself. If show pony tricks are the order of the day then why aren't there a queue of premiership clubs signing up freestylers on Youtube? The reality is scoring goals is the hardest skill in football. Bolasie had lots of fancy tricks - didn't last long at Everton, did he?

 

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11 minutes ago, Undisputed_blue said:

Probably because I feel Niasse has been unfairly treated during his contract with Everton. He has already proven he can score premiership goals. His record in the 2017/18 season was a goal every 135 minutes. This season, Richarlison average a goal every 228 minutes and DCL average a goal every 149 minutes.

Perhaps you judged him on appearance similar to judging a book by its cover rather than reading the book itself. If show pony tricks are the order of the day then why aren't there a queue of premiership clubs signing up freestylers on Youtube? The reality is scoring goals is the hardest skill in football. Bolasie had lots of fancy tricks - didn't last long at Everton, did he?

 

Truth if ever it were needed stats are bollocks.

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1 hour ago, Undisputed_blue said:

Probably because I feel Niasse has been unfairly treated during his contract with Everton. He has already proven he can score premiership goals. His record in the 2017/18 season was a goal every 135 minutes. This season, Richarlison average a goal every 228 minutes and DCL average a goal every 149 minutes.

Perhaps you judged him on appearance similar to judging a book by its cover rather than reading the book itself. If show pony tricks are the order of the day then why aren't there a queue of premiership clubs signing up freestylers on Youtube? The reality is scoring goals is the hardest skill in football. Bolasie had lots of fancy tricks - didn't last long at Everton, did he?

 

Again, have you seen anything in Niasse’s game, other than stats on a screen, to suggest he should play before DCL, Richarlison or Kean?

No judging a book by its cover from me, he plays for Everton so I want him to do well. 
 

Bolasie was doing just fine until his body let him down and he never got back to that form. 

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3 hours ago, StevO said:

Again, have you seen anything in Niasse’s game, other than stats on a screen, to suggest he should play before DCL, Richarlison or Kean?

No judging a book by its cover from me, he plays for Everton so I want him to do well. 
 

Bolasie was doing just fine until his body let him down and he never got back to that form. 

Bolasie was never doing fine

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6 minutes ago, Undisputed_blue said:

His game was lacking before the injury.

Haha mate, you just brought him up as a player full of tricks who didn’t make it at Everton. Now I’ve fully lost what your point about Bolasie really was. It read to me that he was a good player but didn’t make it because Evertonians didn’t rate him. 

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5 minutes ago, StevO said:

Haha mate, you just brought him up as a player full of tricks who didn’t make it at Everton. Now I’ve fully lost what your point about Bolasie really was. It read to me that he was a good player but didn’t make it because Evertonians didn’t rate him. 

Bolasie was a show pony who couldn't score goals. He had a handful of assists but that's it.

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1 hour ago, Undisputed_blue said:

Bolasie was a show pony who couldn't score goals. He had a handful of assists but that's it.

Yeah, so I’m not sure why you brought him into this in the first place then.
So what was your point about Bolasie and what’s it got to do with Niasse being shit? No one was saying him or anyone else is a show pony. So I’ve no idea what you’re on about. 

8 hours ago, StevO said:

You said: Perhaps you judged him on appearance similar to judging a book by its cover rather than reading the book itself. If show pony tricks are the order of the day then why aren't there a queue of premiership clubs signing up freestylers on Youtube? The reality is scoring goals is the hardest skill in football. Bolasie had lots of fancy tricks - didn't last long at Everton, did he?

 

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Oumar brought a positive attitude to a team that, at the time, didn't appear to give a hoot. Despite a lack of ability, he scored goals through sheer will power and determination. It doesn't matter if some of them were ugly; they all count.

I don't blame him at all for turning down "opportunities" in lower leagues for potentially less pay. Everton signed a contract with him, and our opinion of him can't affect that. I'm looking forward to him scoring his first goal under Carlo. It won't be pretty, but it'll prove he still cares about scoring goals for this club.

Once a blue, always a blue. isn't that what we say? Then why should we criticize a player for wanting to remain a blue? I thank him for it.

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