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5 minutes ago, aaron said:

Ive always said Coleman is a shite defender, great at going forward but shite at the back so why not use Coleman as a winger and Kenny as the RB? Wouldn't be too bad.

The thought had crossed my mind too, would certainly give us more stability and threat down the right hand side

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26 minutes ago, aaron said:

Ive always said Coleman is a shite defender, great at going forward but shite at the back so why not use Coleman as a winger and Kenny as the RB? Wouldn't be too bad.

if his pace is gone he will offer nothing in attack, he can't cross to save his life.  his pace and runs were what made him special.

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I hope he does come back as he is one of my favorite players, but I just think he won't be the same player. His pace, stamina and aggression are what made him such a great right back, after that injury I think he will of lost two of those things.

I don't think he would make a good winger as his crossing was always hit and miss and his passing average. He is best on the over or underlap where his pace really hurt opponents.

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2 hours ago, London Blue said:

I hope he does come back as he is one of my favorite players, but I just think he won't be the same player. His pace, stamina and aggression are what made him such a great right back, after that injury I think he will of lost two of those things.

I don't think he would make a good winger as his crossing was always hit and miss and his passing average. He is best on the over or underlap where his pace really hurt opponents.

The thing with Coleman is that he isn't the sharpest tool and in that regard I don't think he will lose his aggression because I doubt he will think about it too much, unlike some of the others. He will do it and then deal with the consequences rather than consider the risk like most.

 

He certainly shouldn' be played as a winger though. Anyone thinking that should have a long hard look at themselves in the mirror.

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11 minutes ago, Bailey said:

The thing with Coleman is that he isn'tt the sharpest tool and in that regard I don't think he will lose his aggression because I doubt he will think about it too much, unlike some of the others. He will do it and then deal with the consequences rather than consider the risk like most.

 

He certainly shouldn' be played as a winger though. Anyone thinking that should have a long hard look at themselves in the mirror.

Why? He’s been one of the best attacking outlets we’ve had for years and his best performances are usually in the oppositions half. 

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8 hours ago, Bill said:

Why is it I can't get rid of previous Quotes, have tried the clear editor and it only clears the post, the quote box stays there.  As above.

Try posting a blank post, it may reset it for you.

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1 hour ago, Matt said:

Why? He’s been one of the best attacking outlets we’ve had for years and his best performances are usually in the oppositions half. 

Because at FB he gets the space he needs to play. As a winger he won' get the same luxury. Not only that but we should be aiming higher than a RB playing as a winger! 

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9 hours ago, aaron said:

Ive always said Coleman is a shite defender, great at going forward but shite at the back so why not use Coleman as a winger and Kenny as the RB? Wouldn't be too bad.

I get the point, but I think Coleman is good going forward because he’s coming from a deeper position. 

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7 hours ago, Bailey said:

Because at FB he gets the space he needs to play. As a winger he won' get the same luxury. Not only that but we should be aiming higher than a RB playing as a winger! 

I’m not saying it’s ideal or what I want, but it’s a viable option and might be good for Kenny in the long run. 

Just checked the mirror by the way. I’m a handsome bastard after a shave :unsure:

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1 hour ago, Shukes said:

We tried Coleman at right midfield. He doesn’t have the skill set for it. He is a marauder. He works best coming from full back position and building momentum and speed to blast past players.

When he was first tried there he had a good start, but was then quickly found out and moved further back to RB.

It'd be totally wrong to play him as a RM. If he looks shit if he automatically comes back in for Kenny or can't displace Kenny then he can sit on the bench and wait his turn.

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Ive always said Coleman is a shite defender, great at going forward but shite at the back so why not use Coleman as a winger and Kenny as the RB? Wouldn't be too bad.

Because Coleman is not a RW he is a RB and we need to put the days of square pegs in round holes behind us. That and Coleman is far from being a shite defender


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16 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:


Because Coleman is not a RW he is a RB and we need to put the days of square pegs in round holes behind us. That and Coleman is far from being a shite defender

 

He was a shite defender but his defending has come on massively. 

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1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said:

He was a shite defender but his defending has come on massively. 

I think that was because he started RW with a decent RB in Hibbert covering and showing the defensive side and learnt from it. There’s good arguments to playing a position that you then have to support once you’ve developed and solidified your role.  

Again, not saying it’s ideal but to dismiss it completely is daft. 

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40 minutes ago, Matt said:

I think that was because he started RW with a decent RB in Hibbert covering and showing the defensive side and learnt from it. There’s good arguments to playing a position that you then have to support once you’ve developed and solidified your role.  

Again, not saying it’s ideal but to dismiss it completely is daft. 

It’s not daft at all when it was shown that he was quickly worked out as a RW and is why it was stopped. 

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1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said:

It’s not daft at all when it was shown that he was quickly worked out as a RW and is why it was stopped. 

Might be my memory, but wasn’t it at least the first half of the season?

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3 minutes ago, Matt said:

Might be my memory, but wasn’t it at least the first half of the season?

Does it matter how long? The only thing that matters is that it stopped working because his surprise factor could no longer make up for his lack of ability as a true winger. 

I’m not a fan of squeezing players in in other positions just get them in the team. If they can’t get in in their natural positions then they shouldn’t get in at all. 

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2 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

Does it matter how long? The only thing that matters is that it stopped working because his surprise factor could no longer make up for his lack of ability as a true winger. 

I’m not a fan of squeezing players in in other positions just get them in the team. If they can’t get in in their natural positions then they shouldn’t get in at all. 

Just pointing out it was game time, valuable experience. I’m not one for shoving players in for the sake of it, which is why I’ve repeatedly said it’s a viable option but not ideal

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1 hour ago, Gwlad all over said:

Schalke or Palace. I think Burnley will be relegation fodder next season.

He’d get plenty of defending experience then...

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2 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

Sell him please, he’s not good enough

No harm in letting him have a season on loan playing first team footy. Has shown more than garbutt ever did yet is pushed out the door quicker. 

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6 hours ago, Btay said:

No harm in letting him have a season on loan playing first team footy. Has shown more than garbutt ever did yet is pushed out the door quicker. 

He’s not been pushed out the door though has he? 

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We wouldn’t ever have kept Coleman with some of you... his loan to Blackpool was essential for him, Kenny could benefit from the same. Calls to say he’s not good enough are unfounded and ludicrous. 

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It’s like with lookman, we know he’s not going to get a chance here, if foreign teams want him and his stock is high sell while we can. We’re going to lose 10m plus this years wages on lookman, let’s not make the mistake with Kenny.  

 

Kenny has never taken the chance to really shine when he has played.  A lower league like Germany could suit him.

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1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said:

It’s like with lookman, we know he’s not going to get a chance here, if foreign teams want him and his stock is high sell while we can. We’re going to lose 10m plus this years wages on lookman, let’s not make the mistake with Kenny.  

 

Kenny has never taken the chance to really shine when he has played.  A lower league like Germany could suit him.

Thought he proved to be quite a decent back up when he’s stood in. Didn’t set the world alight but wasn’t bad by any means, and he was never going to. 

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4 hours ago, Palfy said:

I can’t remember him disgracing himself when he’s been asked to cover for Coleman, in-fact from memory his crosses into the box were far superior to Coleman’s. 

Defensively he’s a little less than Coleman (who is by no means a stud defender) and offensively he offers nothing other than a decent cross every once in a while.  Average would be the word if use to describe him.

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Talks are ongoing between Everton and Schalke over the loan signing of Jonjoe Kenny, according to Sky sources in Germany. 

Last week we reported that Schalke were leading a clutch of clubs who want Kenny, along with Burnley and Crystal Palace.

Schalke will make a decision in the next three to five days once they see if they can offload some players to raise funds for his addition.

The deal would be on loan with an option to buy. 

 

If true the option to buy says it all.  If true it could also mean we are going to invest in a RB that can challenge seamus because we will need one now.

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Still mentioning Schalke for JJ Kenny, this to me would be a silly move cos I think JJ is an adequate stand in and to move him out and have to buy a replacement is not good business.  I think he's proved to be a decent player when he has been called on to play.

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44 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

It’ll be interesting to see how he performs playing every week. Good luck to him, I think there’s a player there myself. 

Yeah i do as well, silly having to go and spend money on a player who will only do the same job as jonjoe, and play second fiddle to Coleman. !!   Daft I say.

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34 minutes ago, Bill said:

Yeah i do as well, silly having to go and spend money on a player who will only do the same job as jonjoe, and play second fiddle to Coleman. !!   Daft I say.

Assume we'll keep Martina another year as back up. 

Personally would have preferred Kenny given the nod this year and Coleman be the back up. 

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54 minutes ago, Bill said:

Yeah i do as well, silly having to go and spend money on a player who will only do the same job as jonjoe, and play second fiddle to Coleman. !!   Daft I say.

 

15 minutes ago, pete0 said:

Assume we'll keep Martina another year as back up. 

Personally would have preferred Kenny given the nod this year and Coleman be the back up. 

Holgate is the backup. Good enough should the need arise. Can't see us buying a backup right back, terrible investment. 

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43 minutes ago, pete0 said:

Assume we'll keep Martina another year as back up. 

Personally would have preferred Kenny given the nod this year and Coleman be the back up. 

Am I the only one who shudders at that suggestion of Martina being backup for a year?

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16 hours ago, Cornish Steve said:

Am I the only one who shudders at that suggestion of Martina being backup for a year?

His first few games gave him an awful reputation, myself included was calling him a clown, but under Alladyce he done perfectly fine for a back up. Only error he had from that point was the Salah slip which I think people were too harsh on him for, other than that he kept him at bay all game. 

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11 hours ago, Cornish Steve said:

Am I the only one who shudders at that suggestion of Martina being backup for a year?

I thought he was out of contract now and he was going back to the Netherlands, I hope so, he is a long way off the quality of player we need if we're going to break into the top 6. Holgate being able to play RB and RCB seems a good option as back up, and with game time he will improve.

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1 hour ago, Wiggytop said:

I thought he was out of contract now and he was going back to the Netherlands, I hope so, he is a long way off the quality of player we need if we're going to break into the top 6. Holgate being able to play RB and RCB seems a good option as back up, and with game time he will improve.

I’d rather Holgate too, but as emergency backup Martina was fine and nowhere near as bad as people made out. Got more stick because he was free and a Koeman choice than anything else 

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It's sensible player management from the club. Holgate did OK by all accounts at West Brom, he will get playing time as back up RB/CB so a chance for him to test himself at Prem level again. But no point having him and Kenny as back up, so now it's JonJo's turn to see what he can do at a big club in a big league. 

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7 hours ago, Matt said:

I’d rather Holgate too, but as emergency backup Martina was fine and nowhere near as bad as people made out. Got more stick because he was free and a Koeman choice than anything else 

Same here. The guy got some real strange stick, al OST like a shepherd mentioned it and the sheep cake running. He was just a average full back, ok for cover.

I would like better, but would t be too upset with him.

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1 minute ago, Shukes said:

Same here. The guy got some real strange stick, al OST like a shepherd mentioned it and the sheep cake running. He was just a average full back, ok for cover.

I would like better, but would t be too upset with him.

But let's not forget he was asked to play on the left when he was a right full back, I have nothing but respect for him that he was prepared to look like a fish out of water for the team, yet got awful shit for giving it a good go when there was not a lot of choice.

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19 hours ago, pete0 said:

His first few games gave him an awful reputation, myself included was calling him a clown, but under Alladyce he done perfectly fine for a back up. Only error he had from that point was the Salah slip which I think people were too harsh on him for, other than that he kept him at bay all game. 

Exactly Salah has done that to a lot of left backs and remember he's a RB, also from memory Gana didn't cover himself in glory if I'm thinking of the same incident.

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