duncanmckenzieismagic Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 If, and it's a big if, the take over happens they may well have their own man in mind anyway scouse 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 Managers don't just decide based on today's league standing...they decide on history, size of club, wages, resources, potential... That's all I'll say...as Martinez still has my support (although it feels shattered at the moment!). PS. What do you mean, Pete, that Chelsea would pay most Mourinho 's wages?!!! I'm assuming he's not been paid the full whack when he was sacked,similar to Moyes. If he had he could come on a reasonable wage for the years Chelsea have already paid him for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 If Bielsa were in the running, at least he gets his players to hard-press defensively, something we are seriously bad at. Good shout. He is very erratic though. You think Favre is bad for leaving 5/6 games in, Bielsa left after 1 game into a season. He'd (MB) be a short term solution for me. back to this. yes true he did leave but i believe it was transfer dealings, he said don't sell the top players and they did so he left. i don't think he'd have that issue here. but yes he can be a bit erratic. doesn't play a 4231 either which would be a welcome change. 3331 his creation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 250 Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 Interestingly I don't see Billy Bullshit coming out with any statements of support for Martinez Which 'Billy Bullshit' are we talking about ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 Mike Basset would probably do a better job defensively Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 Let's get things into perspective Martinez has brought in some very good talent. He has done more than bad. It's just the little bad that is the issue. Because of his attitude people dont trust him to address his short falls. These shortfalls should be easy enough. A defensive coach - simple as that. You can still be singer songwriter in the band without losing the lead status - just because you have to allow the drummer license to do his thing doesn't make you weak. It makes the band sound better. It's up to him. Get a top defensive coach in and respect his views or fail. Lowensda, rubecula and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted January 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 Let's get things into perspective Martinez has brought in some very good talent. He has done more than bad. It's just the little bad that is the issue. Because of his attitude people dont trust him to address his short falls. These shortfalls should be easy enough. A defensive coach - simple as that. You can still be singer songwriter in the band without losing the lead status - just because you have to allow the drummer license to do his thing doesn't make you weak. It makes the band sound better. It's up to him. Get a top defensive coach in and respect his views or fail. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scouse Posted January 26, 2016 Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 Moyes had to many defensive coaches, Martinez has to many attacking coaches. Dave Watson would be a great shout, |David Weir tho he is now no 1 at rangers would also be a good shout. dlblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted January 28, 2016 Report Share Posted January 28, 2016 1) Villas Boas 2) Emery 3) Di Matteo Please in that order Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted January 28, 2016 Report Share Posted January 28, 2016 After it not working out for Howe when he left Bournemouth for Burnley I think he'd be reluctant to do it again any time soon. The Burnley fan I know hails Howe for their promotion and good standing now - says he laid the foundations. Howe's Mrs supposedly didn't settle up north though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted January 28, 2016 Report Share Posted January 28, 2016 (edited) 1) Villas Boas 2) Emery 3) Di Matteo Please in that order di matteo would be the only one of the 3 who would possibly come here. Villas Boas is winning the league and advancing in CL, he's not coming here where there is no CL. Same with Emery, they are top 5 every year in La Liga and in CL or Europa why would he come to a lower table side in england? i'm all about putting up suggestions but let's be realistic. We got a relegated manager in Roberto who'd just won a cup and before that we got a Championship manager in Moyes. I'm not sure how CL competiting managers are even in the discussion. Edited January 28, 2016 by markjazzbassist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted January 28, 2016 Report Share Posted January 28, 2016 (edited) di matteo would be the only one of the 3 who would possibly come here. Villas Boas is winning the league and advancing in CL, he's not coming here where there is no CL. Same with Emery, they are top 5 every year in La Liga and in CL or Europa why would he come to a lower table side in england? i'm all about putting up suggestions but let's be realistic. We got a relegated manager in Roberto who'd just won a cup and before that we got a Championship manager in Moyes. I'm not sure how CL competiting managers are even in the discussion. Because we shouldn't be a lower table team. Under Moyes we were a solid top 6 team on numerous occasions. The Sevilla of England without the European trophies. Villas Boas would come here IMO PS don't think Zenit will win the league this season they're currently 6th. Edited January 28, 2016 by MC11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted January 28, 2016 Report Share Posted January 28, 2016 Possibly with this squad we might attract a higher calibre of manager....possibly! That's if we could keep the squad together. Even if we couldn't and sold £150m of talent, that much in the kitty might attract a higher calibre of manager. It's all 'pretend play time' talk of course!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted January 28, 2016 Report Share Posted January 28, 2016 Because we shouldn't be a lower table team. Under Moyes we were a solid top 6 team on numerous occasions. The Sevilla of England without the European trophies. Villas Boas would come here IMO PS don't think Zenit will win the league this season they're currently 6th. Yes but the coach we got after all those 5th place finishes was a relegated cup winner, not quite the likes of mourinho simeone blanc ancelotti. I agree with you and want the best but if I take of the blue colored glasses I just don't see the attraction for others managers to come here. Finances stadium are deterrents, only positives are academy and current players but they could be sold or move on. Sorry thought zenit won the league last year, form must've taken a hit due to CL. They won every single match perfect record in the group stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalkpie Posted January 28, 2016 Report Share Posted January 28, 2016 Roy Keane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milesey05 Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 Eddie Howe would jump at the chance. All the Bourmouth fans down here love Martinez so let's swap them around. A true Everton fan in charge you would at least see some passion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 Eddie How is a good shout so far. Realistic too. That's quite an exciting one tbh. But he would need to be given time. And that's the difficulty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milesey05 Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 The Burnley fan I know hails Howe for their promotion and good standing now - says he laid the foundations. Howe's Mrs supposedly didn't settle up north though. i work with the Bournemouth announcer and he said Eddies Mrs would take a lot of persuading to go back up north. I think managing your club you supported as a boy would win though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted January 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 Not slagging burnley off but you can't compare that area to liverpool there's a massive difference in the city's. Especially now a days. Liverpool is more than able to stand on its own as a hot-spot for social and leisure reasons. It's always been about 20 years behind Manchester (in terms of what it can offer) but I do believe that now, Liverpool offers a lot more than its Mancunian neighbor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 i work with the Bournemouth announcer and he said Eddies Mrs would take a lot of persuading to go back up north. I think managing your club you supported as a boy would win though. Are we seriously considering a manager with half a seasons premier league experience who doesn't even have the full support of his wife? If we're considering swapping the manager because we're mid-table and getting knocked out of cup semi finals it better be for a tried and tested all singing all dancing all winning superstar. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rusty747 Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 (edited) Lets put this age thing in to context shall we. At the age of 38 a certain Howard Kendall had almost been fired as Everton manager. At 39 he won the FA Cup and at 40 he did the double of league title and Cup winners cup - if my maths and memory are correct. Edited January 29, 2016 by rusty747 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 Lets put this age thing in to context shall we. At the age of 38 a certain Howard Kendall had almost been fired as Everton manager. At 39 he won the FA Cup and at 40 he did the double of league title and Cup winners cup - if my maths and memory are correct. Comparing our position after twenty-three games in 83/84 to now. Was Kendall's third season also. Back then we were 18th (22 team league), W7 D7 L9 Goals F14 A24 GD -10. Today we're 12th, W6 D11 L6 Goals F40 A34 GD +6. Not going to draw any conclusions from that, you can draw your own, just think it's interesting reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 anyone fancy giving Haf the coaching job? he's got semi-pro experience and knows his way with an analogy, plus sounds like he can get quite riled up so he could do a couple hair dryer talks at the half. Haf you willing to quit your day gig? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 anyone fancy giving Haf the coaching job? he's got semi-pro experience and knows his way with an analogy, plus sounds like he can get quite riled up so he could do a couple hair dryer talks at the half. Haf you willing to quit your day gig? Oh god! He'll love that you've said that! markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 anyone fancy giving Haf the coaching job? he's got semi-pro experience and knows his way with an analogy, plus sounds like he can get quite riled up so he could do a couple hair dryer talks at the half. Haf you willing to quit your day gig? Id start by getting people in to do the jobs i cant do. Thats what ferguson did. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 Id start by getting people in to do the jobs i cant do. Thats what ferguson did. funny you mention that i was thinking about that the other day. the greats all realized their weaknesses and got other coaches for that. SAF the prime example with muelensteen running training. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 Comparing our position after twenty-three games in 83/84 to now. Was Kendall's third season also. Back then we were 18th (22 team league), W7 D7 L9 Goals F14 A24 GD -10. Today we're 12th, W6 D11 L6 Goals F40 A34 GD +6. Not going to draw any conclusions from that, you can draw your own, just think it's interesting reading. Or we could compare Kendall's inability to get a talented squad any higher than mid-table during his second spell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicagoblue Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 Despite our lowly league position, decrepit stadium, and shithouse commercial deals, I still reckon we're a very attractive proposition to many European coaches. We have a very solid squad, with reasonably money for players every season and in the biggest, most watched league in the world. Managers who want to make a name for themselves want to work in England. Not sure that's what we need, but there certainly seems a dearth of quality UK managerial talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 Or we could compare Kendall's inability to get a talented squad any higher than mid-table during his second spell. Spot on. The Kendall & Ferguson shouts make me laugh. Really scraping the barrel and relying on chance. There's been more dead wood in this position than there has been gems -FAR MORE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 Spot on. The Kendall & Ferguson shouts make me laugh. Really scraping the barrel and relying on chance. There's been more dead wood in this position than there has been gems -FAR MORE. How do you judge that? You have no idea how sacked managers would've done had they not been sacked v the guys who took over. Unless you claim some sort of foresight (wouldn't surprise me). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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