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Don't relax yet, he'll win New Hampshire. Loooooong way to go.

 

yep. he didn't try really in Iowa so to do that well was kinda a victory. My candidate Bernie Sanders did amazing considering he was polling at 8% at one point and got 50% tie with Hilary Clinton. Go Bernie Go!

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yep. he didn't try really in Iowa so to do that well was kinda a victory. My candidate Bernie Sanders did amazing considering he was polling at 8% at one point and got 50% tie with Hilary Clinton. Go Bernie Go!

 

Marco Rubio looking favourite for the Republican nomination now with the bookies. Apart from the obvious advantage that's he's not Donald Trump what's he like?

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Marco Rubio looking favourite for the Republican nomination now with the bookies. Apart from the obvious advantage that's he's not Donald Trump what's he like?

 

he's center right an "establishment" republican ala george bush reagan etc. here's a breakdown

 

liberal socialist moderate liberal moderate republican tea party extreme conservative none of the above

bernie sanders hillary clinton marco rubio/jeb bush ted cruz trump

 

 

for a liberal like me if rubio got elected its the best case scenario of democrats losing.

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he's center right an "establishment" republican ala george bush reagan etc. here's a breakdown

 

liberal socialist moderate liberal moderate republican tea party extreme conservative none of the above

bernie sanders hillary clinton marco rubio/jeb bush ted cruz trump

 

 

for a liberal like me if rubio got elected its the best case scenario of democrats losing.

 

Thanks for that Mark, enlightening.

 

Didn't realise Sanders was to the left of Clinton; admire your backing of him but I'd have thought that'd make him pretty much unelectable (being to the left of Clinton I mean, not you backing him :lol:). Pleased also that Rubio as the republican front-runner is somewhat moderate.

 

Maybe the World will still be here in a decade or so!

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I see Donald Trump lost Iowa, we can sleep easily. :rofl:

 

The most scary thing is that, whenever I've posted comments about Donald Trump, usually light-hearted ones, I've been subject to some rather nasty responses from Trump supporters. Frankly, he's an out and out fascist, and, while it's not been widely reported, his supporters have been beating people up. It's mind-blowing that he's even scoring double-digits, let alone winning contests. Why do we not learn lessons from history? This is not going to turn out well.

 

And, for the record, Ted Cruz is even worse.

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The most scary thing is that, whenever I've posted comments about Donald Trump, usually light-hearted ones, I've been subject to some rather nasty responses from Trump supporters. Frankly, he's an out and out fascist, and, while it's not been widely reported, his supporters have been beating people up. It's mind-blowing that he's even scoring double-digits, let alone winning contests. Why do we not learn lessons from history? This is not going to turn out well.

 

And, for the record, Ted Cruz is even worse.

 

agreed on both points, spot on steve. nevada is saturday for democrats i'm hoping Bernie pulls another upset and ties or beats clinton.

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he's center right an "establishment" republican ala george bush reagan etc. here's a breakdown

 

liberal socialist moderate liberal moderate republican tea party extreme conservative none of the above

bernie sanders hillary clinton marco rubio/jeb bush ted cruz trump

 

 

for a liberal like me if rubio got elected its the best case scenario of democrats losing.

 

Honestly, I don't see Rubio as a moderate. By the standards of any European country, or even the US a decade ago, he's quite extreme. There is a moderate candidate, Kasich, but moderates never seem to do well in primaries.

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agreed on both points, spot on steve. nevada is saturday for democrats i'm hoping Bernie pulls another upset and ties or beats clinton.

 

This is a very interesting race. The fundamental divide appears to be age: The older population support Clinton, while the younger population (about 85%, it seems) support Sanders. Surprisingly, the divide is not based on gender. So, it's all about who can get their supporters out to vote in these early contests. If it's a tie, Clinton's big money supporters will win out. (Mind you, the lady, at this point, should be in jail for how she compromised national security.)

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Honestly, I don't see Rubio as a moderate. By the standards of any European country, or even the US a decade ago, he's quite extreme. There is a moderate candidate, Kasich, but moderates never seem to do well in primaries.

 

yes good point although as a former resident of his state i will say he gutted the major cities (ie. revoked state tax money to them) so that he could look like he made Ohio all this money (4 billion surplus or some bogus number he totes around). When in reality he just took money the cities were using to try and get out of the Recession causing them to fall back further to make the State look better for his presidential run. Similar to the State i currently live in, Louisiana which Bobby Jindal did the same thing and now we are facing closing public universities because he gutted it so much.

 

I'm not a fan of Kasich but i lived in his state under his tenure so i may be different than a neutral.

 

 

This is a very interesting race. The fundamental divide appears to be age: The older population support Clinton, while the younger population (about 85%, it seems) support Sanders. Surprisingly, the divide is not based on gender. So, it's all about who can get their supporters out to vote in these early contests. If it's a tie, Clinton's big money supporters will win out. (Mind you, the lady, at this point, should be in jail for how she compromised national security.)

 

agreed. i think the youth (i guess i'm youth at 31) are just fed up with having tens of thousands of dollars of student debt from going to college to work a job at 12 dollars an hour that we could have done without the college. The baby boomers just won't retire and free up jobs, so we are stuck working lower grade jobs with little room to move up while trying to have some semblance of a life with all this debt.

 

Bernie i'm like at least my kids will get free college so no debt and free healthcare (i posted in another thread paid 13k for my family last year on premiums alone) so they will have a better go at adulthood than I did. Plus he wants to increase Social Security which helps my parents and grandparents and eventually me. Sure we pay some more taxes, but i'm middle class so they won't rise much for me, the rich guys get to take the hit finally.

 

That's my take.

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great thanks steve. so are you a US citizen now and can vote? or just your kids?

 

with the supreme court justice passing this is now a massive election to sway the court, presidency, and congress.

 

I thought the current debate was on whether Obama had the time/authority to make an appointment before the election?

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I thought the current debate was on whether Obama had the time/authority to make an appointment before the election?

 

there is precedent, Reagan appointed current justice Kennedy in an election year. So it's completely normal and OK and constiutional for Obama to do so. The Republicans are just angry because they know he'll replace the former Conservative judge with a liberal and sway the court to a 5-4 Liberal Majority. So they want him to hold on, for no legal or reasonable reason. Former Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Conner (a conservative) said Obama has authority and should appoint the next judge immediately because they are needed. Nuff said.

 

He has plenty of time as well. If the repubs block they look like obstructionists and many are up for re-election with the vote for their senate seats. So it could really hurt them.

 

There are 3 old judges that will most likely retire/pass away during the next presidency anyways, Kennedy, Bader-Ginsburg, and Breyer. 2 liberals and conservative (kennedy).

 

Side note: i enjoy politics.

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there is precedent, Reagan appointed current justice Kennedy in an election year. So it's completely normal and OK and constiutional for Obama to do so. The Republicans are just angry because they know he'll replace the former Conservative judge with a liberal and sway the court to a 5-4 Liberal Majority. So they want him to hold on, for no legal or reasonable reason. Former Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Conner (a conservative) said Obama has authority and should appoint the next judge immediately because they are needed. Nuff said.

 

He has plenty of time as well. If the repubs block they look like obstructionists and many are up for re-election with the vote for their senate seats. So it could really hurt them.

 

There are 3 old judges that will most likely retire/pass away during the next presidency anyways, Kennedy, Bader-Ginsburg, and Breyer. 2 liberals and conservative (kennedy).

 

Side note: i enjoy politics.

 

Thanks for that Mark, I'm very interested in politics also but I wouldn't go so far as to say I enjoy it. In fact I hate it for the most part.

 

It's like being ill; you don't like it but you have to engage with it or it'll do what it wants and ignore your wishes.

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great thanks steve. so are you a US citizen now and can vote? or just your kids?

 

with the supreme court justice passing this is now a massive election to sway the court, presidency, and congress.

 

Nope, I'm not a US citizen, which makes me an independent observer. Honestly, I don't see any candidate right now that I would want to vote for, but that's because the two parties have moved to the extremes.

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Thanks for that Mark, I'm very interested in politics also but I wouldn't go so far as to say I enjoy it. In fact I hate it for the most part.

 

It's like being ill; you don't like it but you have to engage with it or it'll do what it wants and ignore your wishes.

 

As it happens, I was once an approved parliamentary candidate for one of the major parties in Britain. We moved to the US in April 1986. In December that year, the popular MP for my natural constituency was killed in a freak accident. He was replaced by a young guy in his 20s. Sometimes I look back and think what might have been, although I probably wouldn't have made too good an MP anyway.

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I'm not sure who to vote for. I typically lean liberal.

 

I like that Bernie doesn't use PAC funds. He seems the most honest, and he definitely has the experience.

 

I used to like Hilary, but she's just become another manufactured politician -- she's the easy choice. Trump is way too brash... Ted Cruz is the worst.

 

I dislike all but Bernie really, but it seems all the hipsters are voting for him; I don't know what to make of that.

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Nope, I'm not a US citizen, which makes me an independent observer. Honestly, I don't see any candidate right now that I would want to vote for, but that's because the two parties have moved to the extremes.

Agreed, and because of that, the whole thing is about picking a side rather than the right candidate.

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https://www.isidewith.com/elections/2016-presidential-quiz

 

I know this was posted somewhere a while ago, but it's relevant to this thread. Very detailed guide to helping people choose their candidate based on their policy proposals rather than the media coverage or slanging matches. Wish many more people would actually use it. I came out as a Sanders fan which was no surprise, but I can't vote (anywhere for that matter, not even the UK!)

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Thinks I'll respond to your post in the other thread about sanders support among the young and hipsters.

 

I could care less who the hipsters vote for and I don't think it's the "cool" candidate. He's an old dude who's Jewish and from Brooklyn but been in Vermont for decades. All of those thing are not with the "cool" trends (i.e. Young atheist Brooklyn) ok he got the Brooklyn lol.

 

I think young people just don't see the same futures there parents did. I know I will never make as much money as they did and I think a lot of millennials and hipsters are in a lot of debt from student loans and medical bills. I also think a lot of our generation has actually left the country and seen Europe and how they work and realized it's not that bad, actually it's quite good and actually a lot of things are better than in America. We want change for everyone and are tired of the elite wealthy getting handouts.

 

Just my take, I think the mass youth support for him is a good thing.

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Why can't you vote in the UK?

I missed an election when I was leaving the UK and since I haven't been back since, nor have a paid taxes there. I'm not really bothered, I don't earn a vote in the UK with not living there or paying tax, I just find it funny that I cannot vote anywhere in the world :)

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I missed an election when I was leaving the UK and since I haven't been back since, nor have a paid taxes there. I'm not really bothered, I don't earn a vote in the UK with not living there or paying tax, I just find it funny that I cannot vote anywhere in the world :)

 

Not even in your own house :P.

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I'm not sure who to vote for. I typically lean liberal.

 

I like that Bernie doesn't use PAC funds. He seems the most honest, and he definitely has the experience.

 

I used to like Hilary, but she's just become another manufactured politician -- she's the easy choice. Trump is way too brash... Ted Cruz is the worst.

 

I dislike all but Bernie really, but it seems all the hipsters are voting for him; I don't know what to make of that.

 

Not even Donald Trump with Sarah Palin as his running mate? Countdown to World War 3. :guns: :guns:

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https://www.isidewith.com/elections/2016-presidential-quiz

 

I know this was posted somewhere a while ago, but it's relevant to this thread. Very detailed guide to helping people choose their candidate based on their policy proposals rather than the media coverage or slanging matches. Wish many more people would actually use it. I came out as a Sanders fan which was no surprise, but I can't vote (anywhere for that matter, not even the UK!)

 

I've walked through a guide like this and was scattered all over the place! Indeed, I did it for the UK election (even though I can't vote - you lose that right once you're out of the country for more than 15 years, apparently) and, again, I was scattered all over (Green Party was slightly higher score than the others). This is what makes it difficult, because no one (if they truly 'think') will agree with one party on everything. Then it comes down to intangibles and personalities, which is why there are so many commercials.

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I missed an election when I was leaving the UK and since I haven't been back since, nor have a paid taxes there. I'm not really bothered, I don't earn a vote in the UK with not living there or paying tax, I just find it funny that I cannot vote anywhere in the world :)

 

Same for me: I cannot vote anywhere. I think it's called "taxation without representation..."

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Donald Trump won South Carolina last night and Hillary Clinton won Nevada. Trump is working on completely destroying the Republican party, which is fine by me, but we can't let him get anywhere near the White House. I think he'll lose 40 states if he is the GOP nominee, but one can't be too careful. I vote in Washington, DC, which always goes democrat, but the folks in Ohio, Florida and Virginia need to take this really seriously and make sure they get out to vote, even if their vote is simply "Not Trump."

 

Jeb! dropped out last night, which is hilarious because he had something like a billion dollars behind him and it meant nothing.

 

Personally, in the primary I'll vote Bernie, but will hold my nose and vote for Clinton in the general (assuming she's the nominee).

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Donald Trump won South Carolina last night and Hillary Clinton won Nevada. Trump is working on completely destroying the Republican party, which is fine by me, but we can't let him get anywhere near the White House. I think he'll lose 40 states if he is the GOP nominee, but one can't be too careful. I vote in Washington, DC, which always goes democrat, but the folks in Ohio, Florida and Virginia need to take this really seriously and make sure they get out to vote, even if their vote is simply "Not Trump."

 

Jeb! dropped out last night, which is hilarious because he had something like a billion dollars behind him and it meant nothing.

 

Personally, in the primary I'll vote Bernie, but will hold my nose and vote for Clinton in the general (assuming she's the nominee).

I'm the same Keith. I'll keep voting Bernie till general and sadly I don't know if he can win the primary's.

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I'm the same Keith. I'll keep voting Bernie till general and sadly I don't know if he can win the primary's.

 

Lots of institutional and party headwinds against him. We'll see though. For him to even be this close is quite a shock considering where he started.

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If I could vote, my first choice would probably be John Kasich. Otherwise it would be Bernie Sanders. As you can tell, character means far more to me than policies. WHY does someone pursue the policies they do?

 

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/19/opinions/john-kasich-hug-presidential-parini/

 

I would refuse to vote for the fascist Donald Trump or the lying bully Ted Cruz or the out-and out criminal Hillary Clinton, even if I were able.

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What was the result of he question asked in parliament about banning Trump from UK? Anyone know what happened. Apparently it was thrown out because they thought he would not win.

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I am sick of hearing about Trump. I've even added it to the mute section of Twitter so tweets do not appear if they mention him. It seems there's more coverage in the UK about the US election than the EU referendum.

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Anyone see the footage of the Secret Service guy choke slamming a reporter at the Trump rally?

 

Apparently the reporter stood 18 inches outside the barrier, was pushed back into the designated area, responded with a "Fuck you" and the Agent choke slammed him. It's pretty bad.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/security-at-trump-event-choke-1375771344773174.html

 

Edit: The GIF at the bottom is the 'slam'

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the republicans screwed themselves. they thought their standard guys would handily beat trump so they never did opposition research (dig up dirt on the guy) or anything, they were so uber-confident they lost. now they are realizing they are going to be stuck with Trump and he's not going to give a flying Fuck what the republican party wants to do policy wise, he's gonna do whatever he wants. He already said the Speaker of the house Paul Ryan and he will get along and if not, Ryan is in a world of trouble in a bad way. Already threatened the guy. They made their bed, now they don't want to lie in it. They are going to be non-existent after the next 2 elections, they'll lose this one to HIllary and the next to Hillary and then be an afterthought.

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I think HRC is going to run away with it. I just can't see Trump or Sanders winning and the other Republican candidates are a joke.

 

I actually like Kasich, but he just doesn't have enough charisma, so I don't think he'd have a lot of sway in Congress. Maybe a good VP?

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Can Trump really get elected? Does anyone think its possible?

 

yes. the coasts and cities will vote Democrat but if he's able to get enough of middle america and the south he could win it. sad thing is people hate hillary so much they would vote for Trump as a "not hillary" vote.

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yes. the coasts and cities will vote Democrat but if he's able to get enough of middle america and the south he could win it. sad thing is people hate hillary so much they would vote for Trump as a "not hillary" vote.

 

Is the reverse not a possibility also though? People voting Clinton as a "not Trump" vote.

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Is the reverse not a possibility also though? People voting Clinton as a "not Trump" vote.

 

yes but more people hate her for all the scandals she and bill have been through and then just plain sexism. men don't want a woman president. it's america, there's a lot of country ass uneducated morons, like A LOT of them.

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Can Trump really get elected? Does anyone think its possible?

 

Let's hope so. lol. Not really, but literally nothing can be worse than Hillary Clinton. Seems like the only sane candidate ofr the 4 remaining ones is Ted Cruz.

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Let's hope so. lol. Not really, but literally nothing can be worse than Hillary Clinton. Seems like the only sane candidate ofr the 4 remaining ones is Ted Cruz.

 

Described earlier by MJB as "tea party extreme conservative" so sane is probably a bit of a stretch, though admittedly just one person's view.

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Described earlier by MJB as "tea party extreme conservative" so sane is probably a bit of a stretch, though admittedly just one person's view.

 

yes. he's the least liked senator in congress. no one likes him. if you look up articles on the guy the repubs don't want him either. he basically hates his own party and says he's anti-government. so he's not getting support from them and they don't want him because he doesn't have their interests.

 

the repubs best bet is to get cruz and trump to tank each other and have rubio or kasich be the nominee. they are both moderate and would win over the hillary haters. sadly trump is starting to run away with it and i think he will win it.

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Let's hope so. lol. Not really, but literally nothing can be worse than Hillary Clinton. Seems like the only sane candidate ofr the 4 remaining ones is Ted Cruz.

 

Ted Cruz would be a total disaster. Anyone who's ever worked with him is campaigning against him. Personally, I can't stand him. Among my four children who can vote, they each support a different candidate, but none of them support Ted Cruz. One of the Republican voters in my family supports John Kasich. He's pretty much stayed above the fray.

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Via the broadcast link from a federal penitentiary.

Steve I keep hearing that too. That the repubs are waiting till she's the nominee till they release the investigation and jail her. But I have to believe her family ties and connections she has already paid off needs to be paid off.

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Via the broadcast link from a federal penitentiary.

 

Steve I keep hearing that too. That the repubs are waiting till she's the nominee till they release the investigation and jail her. But I have to believe her family ties and connections she has already paid off needs to be paid off.

 

This keeps being alluded to but I've honestly no idea what you guys are talking about; what's she supposed to have done?

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This keeps being alluded to but I've honestly no idea what you guys are talking about; what's she supposed to have done?

 

when Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State for Obama she used a private email server in addition to her government account. Turns out she took most emails on the private server. The previous SoS did the same thing but since it's an election thing now the repubs in Congress asked for the Server to see if she handled Classified Information on non-government server. After many hearings in front of Congress all the emails were released. Nothing has come of it (but bad press) because there wasn't anything that was Classified AT THE TIME that she emailed (she used the government one). But now those emails have been retroactively classified saying stuff changed and now the email is classified cause it contains whatever intel.

 

So some people believe the repubs have found evidence or proof of breaking the law on the server and are just waiting to pounce. i don't know, since the emails are all released and the agency investigating said there is no wrong doing. But the congress could hold more hearings and basically continue a bad news cycle and have her look bad in the press.

 

The media has painted her as 'untrustworthy' who would do such a sketchy thing. But the repub SOS colin powell did the same thing and he said the investigation is ridiculous. just politcs.

 

Side Note: Apparently the government email really sucks.

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