nyblue23 Posted February 19, 2019 Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 Slightly off-topic, but this is a primary reason why I think it’s so important (crucial even) to elect someone to the far left and stop pandering to moderates who are burdened by the wills of corporate interest groups, who can’t help but put their bottom lines above environmental issues: http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/02/book-excerpt-the-uninhabitable-earth-david-wallace-wells.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 6 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: he's not a practicing jew though matt, he has stated he is agnostic or athiest (can't remember which now) and is just jewish by birth in essence. i don't see that as an issue. My good man, have you forgotten where you live? Atheism not a problem? The Dems were using that in 2016, the GOP will go to town on it. He needs to come out as a direct descendant of Abraham ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 Hope this guy gets to participate in the debates, he has a lot to contribute to the conversation nyblue23 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyblue23 Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 45 minutes ago, Chach said: Hope this guy gets to participate in the debates, he has a lot to contribute to the conversation I like him from a 10-minute perusal of his campaign page. A lot really. That said, context is everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 8 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: yeah i don't want her there yet, she's too young and inexperienced. honestly i don't know who either i just mean to say he needs a VERY strong Vice president on his ticket because he is old, if he does get one the age will be a non-issue because people are comfortable with the vice. most vice presidents are just on the ticket to win one part of the voting block, i don't want that. he's not a practicing jew though matt, he has stated he is agnostic or athiest (can't remember which now) and is just jewish by birth in essence. i don't see that as an issue. You don’t think the right wing voters and candidates won’t use it against him? I doubt the true Democrats in general would but I wouldn’t be surprised if there was unfortunately. I hope my concerns are misplaced. Being godless in the US is probably even worse for him, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyblue23 Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 3 hours ago, Matt said: You don’t think the right wing voters and candidates won’t use it against him? I doubt the true Democrats in general would but I wouldn’t be surprised if there was unfortunately. I hope my concerns are misplaced. Being godless in the US is probably even worse for him, no? Meh. Anti-semitism and anti-agnosticism may be pretty equal at this point. Church attendance has dropped rapidly over the last couple decades, as my out of work pastor father could tell you. We’re down to 37% weekly attendees (it’s a miracle), and while some cultural religious non-attendees would still never vote for an atheist or agnostic, I personally know a bunch of Christians who would rather vote for someone of another religion. It’s not a non-issue, but it’s not a disqualifier anymore I don’t think. Matt and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 2 hours ago, nyblue23 said: Meh. Anti-semitism and anti-agnosticism may be pretty equal at this point. Church attendance has dropped rapidly over the last couple decades, as my out of work pastor father could tell you. We’re down to 37% weekly attendees (it’s a miracle), and while some cultural religious non-attendees would still never vote for an atheist or agnostic, I personally know a bunch of Christians who would rather vote for someone of another religion. It’s not a non-issue, but it’s not a disqualifier anymore I don’t think. Agreed. People seem to forget Jesus himself advocates for separation of church and state “give to ceasar what is Caesar’s, give to God what is Gods”. I’m a Christian and would have no issue voting for a Jew Muslim agnostic atheist etc. also the largest population is millennials, we outnumber the boomers so the issue is just mobilizing that vote. Stats on millennials show they care less and less about religion and voting for causes with it (abortion etc). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 Hope you guys are right. There’s only been 3 years since the last big decision and race etc played a pretty hefty part, I don’t see much having changed in that time... Chach 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 Just now, Matt said: Hope you guys are right. There’s only been 3 years since the last big decision and race etc played a pretty hefty part Yeah thing is sanders policies on the blue collar stuff is actually more beneficial for those people and those jobs. Plus hes not polarizing like Hilary who flip flopped on so many issues. SAnders has literally said the same things for decades. Only sketchy thing is his wife’s former arrangement with a university. Sanders is also the poorest or second poorest senator, so no rich guy taglines. The stuff the right wingers will attack him for is socialism (if you’re young this most likely doesn’t bother you, if you’re a boomer you flash back to the propaganda from your childhood commies), his wife, and then his Vice President If they have dirt on them. He’s about as clean as it gets in politics. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 46 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: Yeah thing is sanders policies on the blue collar stuff is actually more beneficial for those people and those jobs. Plus hes not polarizing like Hilary who flip flopped on so many issues. SAnders has literally said the same things for decades. Only sketchy thing is his wife’s former arrangement with a university. Sanders is also the poorest or second poorest senator, so no rich guy taglines. The stuff the right wingers will attack him for is socialism (if you’re young this most likely doesn’t bother you, if you’re a boomer you flash back to the propaganda from your childhood commies), his wife, and then his Vice President If they have dirt on them. He’s about as clean as it gets in politics. Hope you’re right. I remember doing the online questionnaire thing years ago and he would’ve been my preferred candidate by 40% over the others, so I hope he gets it markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 17 hours ago, nyblue23 said: Ever the moderate you are, haha. I’ll vote for pretty much whoever the hell dems end up nominating, but I really do hope it’s someone who brings some fresh ideas to the office, as we haven’t had a truly progressive president since Carter. Haha, don't get it twisted. I don't like Trump, and unless he's impeached, he'll be on the ballot in 2020. I will not vote for him, so the only other option is a Democrat (Independents won't matter). I think O'Rourke would bring some fresh ideas in, and he also seems to be able to bring people together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyblue23 Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 4 hours ago, Matt said: Hope you guys are right. There’s only been 3 years since the last big decision and race etc played a pretty hefty part, I don’t see much having changed in that time... Race absolutely played a part, but Republicans are Zionists, so being of the Jewish race is far less an issue for them than being brown. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, nyblue23 said: Race absolutely played a part, but Republicans are Zionists, so being of the Jewish race is far less an issue for them than being brown. Find it so demoralising that we're needing to have this conversation still, while antisemitism is apparently still rife in the party over here you'd least expect racism from. The future looks bleak globally, don't know what can turn it around. nyblue23, markjazzbassist and pete0 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyblue23 Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 17 minutes ago, MikeO said: Find it so demoralising that we're needing to have this conversation still, while antisemitism is apparently still rife in the party over here you'd least expect racism from. The future looks bleak globally, don't know what can turn it around. It’s still very much a thing over here, too, but not so much with the mainstream. The so-called “alt-right” who are responsible for riots in Charlottesville, Virginia and Portland, Oregon among other cities are extremely anti-Semitic, and they definitely have a presence online and in fringe culture, but they’re not so much influencing elections. That said, few things bother me more than when people try to equate antisemitism in this country with systemic racism towards black and brown folks. They’re not even on a remotely level playing field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 hour ago, MikeO said: Find it so demoralising that we're needing to have this conversation still, while antisemitism is apparently still rife in the party over here you'd least expect racism from. The future looks bleak globally, don't know what can turn it around. Multi cultural integration and the abolition of faith schools so that kids can mix freely with kids from different cultures and faiths, and see for themselves that people are not different and that will be the building blocks for the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 47 minutes ago, Palfy said: Multi cultural integration and the abolition of faith schools so that kids can mix freely with kids from different cultures and faiths, and see for themselves that people are not different and that will be the building blocks for the future. Great in theory but there's no sign of that happening, and nobody (minority aside) behind the concept. In today's nationalist climate the tabloids talk about "these people" and amplify the differences rather than try to point to the far greater amount of similarities, and unfortunately huge swathes of the public swallow the tabloid's rhetoric without question. I won't go on because I'll only invoke Godwin's law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, MikeO said: Great in theory but there's no sign of that happening, and nobody (minority aside) behind the concept. In today's nationalist climate the tabloids talk about "these people" and amplify the differences rather than try to point to the far greater amount of similarities, and unfortunately huge swathes of the public swallow the tabloid's rhetoric without question. I won't go on because I'll only invoke Godwin's law. I agree with you Mike and the tabloids pray on the fact that most people are institutionalised racist because of the environment they have been brought up in, that’s not a slur on any individual knowingly acting in a racist or nationalistic way that’s just how the society we live in is educating kids, and faith schools have huge part to play in keeping the status quo the same, so let all cultures faiths and colours mix as kids then we can start breaking the cycle of telling kids they are different from kids else where. And that is not trying to get rid off religion but religion should be taught at home if the parents are of that nature and not in schools were you segregate kids from mixing at a young age were they can make bonds that they can take through to their adult life. nyblue23 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 Smart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 Yang has no chance, no one even knows who he is. People like trump and Bloomberg are in the public eye constantly, which is the only way to be relevant as a non politician running for a political appointment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said: Yang has no chance, no one even knows who he is. People like trump and Bloomberg are in the public eye constantly, which is the only way to be relevant as a non politician running for a political appointment. Of course he has no chance of winning, he's there to shift policy direction. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47389621 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 Functionally illiterate... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 28, 2019 Report Share Posted February 28, 2019 The “master negotiator” has failed again with NKorea. He can add that to an ever increasing list of deals he’s failed at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted February 28, 2019 Report Share Posted February 28, 2019 I actually agree with him backing out on this one, but I don't really think we should be "great friends" with North Korea anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted February 28, 2019 Report Share Posted February 28, 2019 13 minutes ago, sibdane said: I actually agree with him backing out on this one, but I don't really think we should be "great friends" with North Korea anyway. Neither did Trump until recently... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted February 28, 2019 Report Share Posted February 28, 2019 Starving and killing their own. Sounds more like May. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47472282 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 On 06/03/2019 at 15:41, MikeO said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47472282 It barely made the news. Sad to say, but most don't really care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 Let me just say that I don't sense at all any less commitment and devotion to the president from his supporters, none at all. If anything, I would say their support is stronger today than it was at the outset, which is quite terrifying. Matt and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 4 hours ago, Cornish Steve said: Let me just say that I don't sense at all any less commitment and devotion to the president from his supporters, none at all. If anything, I would say their support is stronger today than it was at the outset, which is quite terrifying. agreed 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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