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1 minute ago, sibdane said:

How dare you guys make fun of our president. Don't y'all know how precious his hair is?

Like all snowflakes, he'd just dissolve and be lost forever. 

Shame really.... 

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3 minutes ago, Matt said:

The Onion, HIGNFY and Daily Mash have come out with some brilliant satirical pieces. I'm just annoyed they had the material to work with.

Love The Mash Report on TV, so clever and bloody hilarious.

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Just now, MikeO said:

Love The Mash Report on TV, so clever and bloody hilarious.

Only saw a few extracts, nowhere near as good as the articles. Comes across as far too painful sometimes, even for me.

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Just now, Matt said:

Like all snowflakes, he'd just dissolve and be lost forever. 

Shame really.... 

2020 is looking scary. I used to think he wouldn't make it this long; now I'm worried he'll win re-election. What is wrong with this country that I love so much?

Oh yeah, bigots. 

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16 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

This is like a soap opera, not the government of the USA.

I've mentioned the wording before in this thread but I seriously think the Statue of Liberty (ironically a gift from France) needs to be demolished.

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Not any more.

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2 hours ago, Matt said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46198297

just read the tweets. I have no words. I’m finally dumbfounded. 

I am amazed at how long Macron got away with calling Trump an idiot in public (at the UN, Rememberance day, ...).  Seems Trump finally snapped; will be a huge boost for Macron in France.

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I was just looking at some polling numbers on Trump's approval rating in relation to the economy. Somehow, he's manage to go up a couple of points to ~53% This kind of shocks me considering that the DOW has significantly dropped since the beginning of the year. Experts point to employment rates and job numbers, but that's been improving since Obama.

He's doing poorly in other areas like immigration and foreign policy though.

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1 hour ago, sibdane said:

I was just looking at some polling numbers on Trump's approval rating in relation to the economy. Somehow, he's manage to go up a couple of points to ~53% This kind of shocks me considering that the DOW has significantly dropped since the beginning of the year. Experts point to employment rates and job numbers, but that's been improving since Obama.

He's doing poorly in other areas like immigration and foreign policy though.

the market crash is imminent.  my brother works in finance,  for the last 3 decades there has been a crash.  1987 1991 2001 2008.  that's 5-6 years average.  4 on the low to 10 on the high.  we are on year 10 currently, so either the economy is magically fixed and it will never crash again or the crash is imminent.  the market is volatile because of this idiotic trade war with China. I just hope it happens during his time in office so he gets the blame and takes the stick for it.

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This is obscene. If anyone is in danger because of immigration into America, it's the immigrants! The best thing the president could do to make American citizens safer is to welcome as many legal and illegal immigrants into the country as soon as possible.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/06/19/two-charts-demolish-the-notion-that-immigrants-here-illegally-commit-more-crime/?utm_term=.c53650fcbf3e

 

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4 hours ago, Cornish Steve said:

This is obscene. If anyone is in danger because of immigration into America, it's the immigrants! The best thing the president could do to make American citizens safer is to welcome as many legal and illegal immigrants into the country as soon as possible.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/06/19/two-charts-demolish-the-notion-that-immigrants-here-illegally-commit-more-crime/?utm_term=.c53650fcbf3e

 

Why not just make the process to enter more personal and, therefore easier, and massively reduce the need for illegal immigration?

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the US budget runs out tomorrow.  Trump wanted the congress to approve a spending bill that includes 5 billion for his border wall with mexico.  democrats said no, even republicans said no and passed a spending bill with no border wall money.  Trump now says he won't sign it, the government will shut down.  Repubs are furious as most had already left for holiday vacation and will need to come back for further votes.  The man is an idiot.  Not even the repubs want the border wall.  

 

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/20/politics/donald-trump-shutdown-border-wall-funding/index.html

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53 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

the US budget runs out tomorrow.  Trump wanted the congress to approve a spending bill that includes 5 billion for his border wall with mexico.  democrats said no, even republicans said no and passed a spending bill with no border wall money.  Trump now says he won't sign it, the government will shut down.  Repubs are furious as most had already left for holiday vacation and will need to come back for further votes.  The man is an idiot.  Not even the repubs want the border wall.  

 

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/20/politics/donald-trump-shutdown-border-wall-funding/index.html

Alternative funding for the wall https://www.gofundme.com/TheTrumpWall

7.000.000 so far.  What a country..

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28 minutes ago, holystove said:

Alternative funding for the wall https://www.gofundme.com/TheTrumpWall

7.000.000 so far.  What a country..

wow, bunch of right wing nutters there.  they will bitch to the high heavens about raising taxes but more than willing to kick in money for a wall that defense specialists have already said will do nothing to avert people from coming here illegally.

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11 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

wow, bunch of right wing nutters there.  they will bitch to the high heavens about raising taxes but more than willing to kick in money for a wall that defense specialists have already said will do nothing to avert people from coming here illegally.

I thought Mexico were going to pay for it:huh:.

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52 minutes ago, MikeO said:

Are Americans beginning to wise up? Is there a stand-out Democrat alternative for the next election?

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It's looking pretty bleak for him. The Market is dropping points every day, and the government shutdown won't help with that at all.

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Isn’t this like the third time things have come to a halt under him? Pretty sure I remember reading him saying that I’d never happen under him and that it was just planning by the Democrats. 

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18 minutes ago, Matt said:

Isn’t this like the third time things have come to a halt under him? Pretty sure I remember reading him saying that I’d never happen under him and that it was just planning by the Democrats. 

there's never been a shutdown under his watch, they always passed it and he gave it.  the house is going to go to democrat control come jan 1 so he knows this is his last shot with the all repub house and senate hence him pushing this issue.  trouble is he can't do math, you need 60 votes in the senate to approve a bill, there is a simple majority 51 to 49.  no dems will vote yes, so it's dead in the water in the senate.  he will try to put it on them but they will just say hey everyone (repubs included) already passed it and you said you wouldn't sign it (the bill with no border wall), it's on you.

 

come january he's fucked because he will have to work with a split congress and that means compromise, i expect him to do a whole lot of nothing.

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10 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

there's never been a shutdown under his watch, they always passed it and he gave it.  the house is going to go to democrat control come jan 1 so he knows this is his last shot with the all repub house and senate hence him pushing this issue.  trouble is he can't do math, you need 60 votes in the senate to approve a bill, there is a simple majority 51 to 49.  no dems will vote yes, so it's dead in the water in the senate.  he will try to put it on them but they will just say hey everyone (repubs included) already passed it and you said you wouldn't sign it (the bill with no border wall), it's on you.

 

come january he's fucked because he will have to work with a split congress and that means compromise, i expect him to do a whole lot of nothing.

Could’ve sworn there was a shutdown because of budget or something. Anyway, fuck him 

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39 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

matt you are right, thank mike.  sorry i was wrong.  trump loves the shutdowns because he thinks they will flinch and use it as a negotiation technique.  conservatives love them too because they just hate the government full stop.

Who is likely to run for the democrats and do they have a chance of being in the hearts of the American people, also can another Republican run for the nomination against Trump and if so is there anyone who could take him on, or do we just need to brace ourselves for another term.

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1 hour ago, Palfy said:

Who is likely to run for the democrats and do they have a chance of being in the hearts of the American people, also can another Republican run for the nomination against Trump and if so is there anyone who could take him on, or do we just need to brace ourselves for another term.

democrats - bernie sanders, joe biden (obamas VP), and then a bunch of up and comers.  no idea if they will win americas hearts, the party is ran by hillary types so they will want more of a neo-liberal centrist type candidate which sucks.  they screwed with sanders last election after all.  i don't have a whole lot of hope.

 

repubs - yes someone can run against him, the party won't allow it i don't think but a couple guys have said they want to.  end of the day i don't think it will happen.  

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On 22/12/2018 at 03:38, markjazzbassist said:

democrats - bernie sanders, joe biden (obamas VP), and then a bunch of up and comers.  no idea if they will win americas hearts, the party is ran by hillary types so they will want more of a neo-liberal centrist type candidate which sucks.  they screwed with sanders last election after all.  i don't have a whole lot of hope.

 

repubs - yes someone can run against him, the party won't allow it i don't think but a couple guys have said they want to.  end of the day i don't think it will happen.  

I think Beto O'Rourke could be one to watch.

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The situation described in this report is a total disgrace. Do people realize the extent to which the president rides roughshod over the law? The restraining influences in the administration are leaving, voluntarily or being fired, and now the president is looking to abandon the independence of the Federal Reserve Bank. We're reaching a dangerous tipping point.

https://www.newsweek.com/cage-congressman-citizen-migrants-border-teargas-1269621

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5 hours ago, Cornish Steve said:

The situation described in this report is a total disgrace. Do people realize the extent to which the president rides roughshod over the law? The restraining influences in the administration are leaving, voluntarily or being fired, and now the president is looking to abandon the independence of the Federal Reserve Bank. We're reaching a dangerous tipping point.

https://www.newsweek.com/cage-congressman-citizen-migrants-border-teargas-1269621

He has all the hallmarks of a dictator, if he was around in the late 30s he would have formed an alliance with Hitler. 

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4 hours ago, Chach said:

It’s an old boys and girls club.  Look it up and you will see every one of them went to Yale or Harvard law.  

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On 23/12/2018 at 05:34, Palfy said:

He has all the hallmarks of a dictator, if he was around in the late 30s he would have formed an alliance with Hitler. 

People think I'm overreacting, and maybe I am, but I do believe we're closer to experiencing a dictator than we realize. With just a few strategic decisions (pardoning any family or supporters who are indicted as a result of ongoing probes, appointing more and more "friendly" judges, and finding a way to limit the power of Congress), the president could assume something close to absolute power. His supporters would rally in the streets and, with so many guns in this country, wreak havoc. So far, the American system has reined him in, but he's going to push the limits as much as he can. In the end, especially if he can manufacture a crisis, he'll get away with it in the name of patriotism/nationalism, "traditional values", "the need for national security", and "getting things done".

Sadly, more of the world is beginning to embrace so-called strongmen (see India, for example), and they are becoming too paly-paly (Trump, Putin, Erdogan, etc.). This is a lesson of history we just never learn.

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5 hours ago, Cornish Steve said:

People think I'm overreacting, and maybe I am, but I do believe we're closer to experiencing a dictator than we realize. With just a few strategic decisions (pardoning any family or supporters who are indicted as a result of ongoing probes, appointing more and more "friendly" judges, and finding a way to limit the power of Congress), the president could assume something close to absolute power. His supporters would rally in the streets and, with so many guns in this country, wreak havoc. So far, the American system has reined him in, but he's going to push the limits as much as he can. In the end, especially if he can manufacture a crisis, he'll get away with it in the name of patriotism/nationalism, "traditional values", "the need for national security", and "getting things done".

Sadly, more of the world is beginning to embrace so-called strongmen (see India, for example), and they are becoming too paly-paly (Trump, Putin, Erdogan, etc.). This is a lesson of history we just never learn.

I wish I could say you're over-reacting. I really do.

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