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If he was deliberately giving the female astronaut who corrected him the middle finger, then  it maybe wrong but I can’t help but think fair play mate there must be loads of people who have wanted to do that publicly but never had the bollocks. 

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10 hours ago, Palfy said:

If he was deliberately giving the female astronaut who corrected him the middle finger, then  it maybe wrong but I can’t help but think fair play mate there must be loads of people who have wanted to do that publicly but never had the bollocks. 

If you were being talked to with "the World" listening and the person talking to you made an incorrect claim on your behalf you wouldn't correct them? I would. And if I was the "interviewer" I'd apologise for getting my facts wrong and have a word with my researcher later; why would anyone want to be rude to the innocent party?:dontknow:

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20 minutes ago, MikeO said:

If you were being talked to with "the World" listening and the person talking to you made an incorrect claim on your behalf you wouldn't correct them? I would. And if I was the "interviewer" I'd apologise for getting my facts wrong and have a word with my researcher later; why would anyone want to be rude to the innocent party?:dontknow:

I don’t wish to be rude to you Mike but come on lighten up mate, has your PC side completely taken over your sense of humour, I found it quite amusing as have many people especially in the world of satire. 
It’s not because he was wrong or she corrected him, but the fact he was sneakily trying to give her the finger, moments like that are priceless in the world of comedy that will be laughed at for years to come, and the reason won’t even matter just that fact he did it. 

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15 minutes ago, Palfy said:

I don’t wish to be rude to you Mike but come on lighten up mate, has your PC side completely taken over your sense of humour, I found it quite amusing as have many people especially in the world of satire. 
It’s not because he was wrong or she corrected him, but the fact he was sneakily trying to give her the finger, moments like that are priceless in the world of comedy that will be laughed at for years to come, and the reason won’t even matter just that fact he did it. 

The day I "lighten up" when it comes to Trump I'll top myself.

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16 hours ago, Palfy said:

That would be doing him a huge favour, yet he wouldn’t realise it, we need him to keep tweeting he hurts himself more by doing so. 

I wish that were true. His supporters eat up his garbage and aren't affected by the "controversial" tweets. The comments on his tweets are disheartening. It's a lot of bickering back and forth on both sides, and it can get pretty nasty. 

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2 hours ago, Sibdane said:

I wish that were true. His supporters eat up his garbage and aren't affected by the "controversial" tweets. The comments on his tweets are disheartening. It's a lot of bickering back and forth on both sides, and it can get pretty nasty. 

Sounds like Rusty and myself discussing Brexit 😀

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10 minutes ago, MikeO said:

Is he really in trouble?

 

Technically yes, but nothing will happen. The best that can be hoped is that this impeachment inquiry sways voters to vote against him in the 2020 election. I can see him getting a second term though. There are still 17 Democrats in the running, and the election is in a year; their field is overcrowded, and it's not helping them. 

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On 21/11/2019 at 14:07, markjazzbassist said:

his followers are ardent conspiracy theory believers.  they believe there is a "deep state" of career politicians trying to remove him from office.  they believe any effort to undermine Trump is not fact or reality, but instead the "deep state".  they are fucking nuts

 

Mark has it here. There's no evidence that would convince a Trump voter. 

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On 21/11/2019 at 19:07, markjazzbassist said:

his followers are ardent conspiracy theory believers.  they believe there is a "deep state" of career politicians trying to remove him from office.  they believe any effort to undermine Trump is not fact or reality, but instead the "deep state".  they are fucking nuts

 

2 hours ago, Keith B said:

 

Mark has it here. There's no evidence that would convince a Trump voter. 

Isn’t it very scary that there are millions of people like that all over the world, who have been brainwashed or brainwashed themselves into believing one thing when the evidence clearly shown another..

This world is becoming a two state world, made up of people in a sane state of mind and those in a insane state, and the latter seems to be taking over, the lunatics really are running the asylum. 

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7 hours ago, Palfy said:

 

Isn’t it very scary that there are millions of people like that all over the world, who have been brainwashed or brainwashed themselves into believing one thing when the evidence clearly shown another..

This world is becoming a two state world, made up of people in a sane state of mind and those in a insane state, and the latter seems to be taking over, the lunatics really are running the asylum. 

*cough*Gana*cough*

Just kidding, but it is scary. 

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1 hour ago, Sibdane said:

They won't in fear of Trump loyalists boycotting their products.

I wonder how much of their sales were made up of supporters of an evil wannabe dictator with a weird coloured face?

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The impeachment vote is tonight, and I can't wait. I'm hoping a few Republicans swing in the direction of impeachment in the House. 

The Senate will be a different ballgame. The Senate majority leader, McConnell, has already come and said that he's not impartial. What a snake. 

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9 minutes ago, Sibdane said:

The impeachment vote is tonight, and I can't wait. I'm hoping a few Republicans swing in the direction of impeachment in the House. 

The Senate will be a different ballgame. The Senate majority leader, McConnell, has already come and said that he's not impartial. What a snake. 

So are there any consequences at all if Representatives pass it and then the Senate doesn't?

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1 hour ago, MikeO said:

So are there any consequences at all if Representatives pass it and then the Senate doesn't?

Nope. The Senate is where the actual trial would be and not getting a 2/3rds majority would mean nothing happens. It was just go down on as a mark on Trump's record basically. 

This is more a move by Democrats to appeal to their base, but I do think that they're right, and Trump should be impeached. 

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2 minutes ago, MikeO said:

The Senate majority leader, McConnell, has already come and said that he's not impartial. What a snake.

But he's going to stand up and say, “I solemnly swear (or affirm, as the case may be,) that in all things appertaining to the trial of the impeachment of [Donald Trump], now pending, I will do impartial justice according to the Constitution and laws: So help me God.” and not mean it?

Astounding. There's a first, a politician who admits he's going to lie even before he does it!

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13 minutes ago, MikeO said:

But he's going to stand up and say, “I solemnly swear (or affirm, as the case may be,) that in all things appertaining to the trial of the impeachment of [Donald Trump], now pending, I will do impartial justice according to the Constitution and laws: So help me God.” and not mean it?

Astounding. There's a first, a politician who admits he's going to lie even before he does it!

https://www.npr.org/2019/12/17/788924966/mcconnell-i-m-not-impartial-about-impeachment 

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1 hour ago, MikeO said:

So are there any consequences at all if Representatives pass it and then the Senate doesn't?

that's what happened with Clinton.  He was impeached but acquitted.  Whereas if the senate confirms then you're formally impeached.

 

so it will just be a black mark against Trump like it was for Clinton.  Something to use in the election cycle.  His voters are unwavered, they think it's the "deep state" conspiring to get this noble statesman removed.  he's done so much for our country how dare they!  yes they are fucking nuts.

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58 minutes ago, Sibdane said:

 

3 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

that's what happened with Clinton.  He was impeached but acquitted.  Whereas if the senate confirms then you're formally impeached.

 

so it will just be a black mark against Trump like it was for Clinton.  Something to use in the election cycle.  His voters are unwavered, they think it's the "deep state" conspiring to get this noble statesman removed.  he's done so much for our country how dare they!  yes they are fucking nuts.

I can't understand how a country that is so (compared to the UK) devoutly Christian is OK with people in authority openly saying (effectively) that they're going to lie under oath. That's perjury surely, so they should be punished even if Trump isn't.

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3 minutes ago, MikeO said:

 

I can't understand how a country that is so (compared to the UK) devoutly Christian is OK with people in authority openly saying (effectively) that they're going to lie under oath. That's perjury surely, so they should be punished even if Trump isn't.

That's what you would think, right? 

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29 minutes ago, MikeO said:

 

I can't understand how a country that is so (compared to the UK) devoutly Christian is OK with people in authority openly saying (effectively) that they're going to lie under oath. That's perjury surely, so they should be punished even if Trump isn't.

great question mike and this part is important.  as evangelicals they believe their faith is above all else, government included.  so by Trump saying he's a christian, they give him carte blanche because they believe he's "doing the will of the lord".  he basically gets a free pass, the Bush family did the same thing.   i remember people at church saying "he prays every morning, what a guy" and i'm like he's killing tons of people illegally in iraq doesn't that bother you?  who cares if he prays!  well, i don't it question him, "the lord works in mysterious ways...".  they just accept that whatever he does is ok.  only half analogy i can give is a hard core party voter, like your family is Labour all your life and you just vote labour regardless and go with whatever they say policy wise, or if it changes, then contradicts, it doesn't matter, you're labour and that's that. thick and thin, labour.

 

sucks for people of the christian faith like myself who aren't nutjobs and aren't evangelicals because it gives us a bad name and reputation.

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12 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

great question mike and this part is important.  as evangelicals they believe their faith is above all else, government included.  so by Trump saying he's a christian, they give him carte blanche because they believe he's "doing the will of the lord".  he basically gets a free pass, the Bush family did the same thing.   i remember people at church saying "he prays every morning, what a guy" and i'm like he's killing tons of people illegally in iraq doesn't that bother you?  who cares if he prays!  well, i don't it question him, "the lord works in mysterious ways...".  they just accept that whatever he does is ok.  only half analogy i can give is a hard core party voter, like your family is Labour all your life and you just vote labour regardless and go with whatever they say policy wise, or if it changes, then contradicts, it doesn't matter, you're labour and that's that. thick and thin, labour.

 

sucks for people of the christian faith like myself who aren't nutjobs and aren't evangelicals because it gives us a bad name and reputation.

Important point here. It's more about voting along party lines than for the person who is in charge. My dad doesn't like Trump, but you will never see him vote for a Democrat over a Republican. 

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3 hours ago, MikeO said:

Watching it live the one thing I like is the fact that the house listens to people speaking without the infantile heckling we have over here. 

No idea why that is allowed over here. Corbyn did his best to get rid but it didn't last long. Worst thing is all the voters would have seen their tory cunt MPs laugh and cheer at not giving nurses a pay rise and fucking the workers and students yet still voted for them. 

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This will only hurt his ego, though he’s that delusional he’ll probably take it as a good thing. It’ll certainly help his election chances further, it’s solidifying the divide and his supporters will only see this as the left trying to make waves rather than what it actually means. 

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39 minutes ago, Matt said:

This will only hurt his ego, though he’s that delusional he’ll probably take it as a good thing. It’ll certainly help his election chances further, it’s solidifying the divide and his supporters will only see this as the left trying to make waves rather than what it actually means. 

 

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(Sorry for the late response I have neglected to login for a while)

On 18/09/2019 at 06:43, Cornish Steve said:

I’m a big fan of AOC, too. She’s one smart cookie and should go far. As for others in the squad, I worry about their antiSemitism. 

She will almost certainly be President in the future, whip smart and an (ostensible) authenticity that seems to be lacking in politics at the moment. 

On 18/09/2019 at 02:33, StevO said:

I see your politicians are mostly old white men, I see you population as being all kinds of mixed races. I believe your government should represent its people, and from the outside looking it it doesn’t look that way. I may be very very wrong, but I’m saying what I see. 

Just not true mate, the US congress is 22% BAME. African Amercians are proportionally represented. Yes, racism is a stain in most western countries but they are now demonstrably the least racist countries in the world due to their diversity.

On 16/09/2019 at 14:31, Palfy said:

But who you are does represent your political view, as does your colour religion sexuality and your location, that does make it more diverse if we didn’t use those factors there would be less diversity, I fail to understand your argument,  the last power house who tried to take away those factors that made us diverse and different were the Germans when they wanted to create the arian state where everyone was the same. 

You have certainly failed to understand my argument, the Nazi's engaging in white identity politics was exactly the type of idpol I was referring to in the post you responded to, see below.

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On 19/12/2019 at 01:11, markjazzbassist said:

great question mike and this part is important.  as evangelicals they believe their faith is above all else, government included.  so by Trump saying he's a christian, they give him carte blanche because they believe he's "doing the will of the lord".  he basically gets a free pass, the Bush family did the same thing.   i remember people at church saying "he prays every morning, what a guy" and i'm like he's killing tons of people illegally in iraq doesn't that bother you?  who cares if he prays!  well, i don't it question him, "the lord works in mysterious ways...".  they just accept that whatever he does is ok.  only half analogy i can give is a hard core party voter, like your family is Labour all your life and you just vote labour regardless and go with whatever they say policy wise, or if it changes, then contradicts, it doesn't matter, you're labour and that's that. thick and thin, labour.

 

sucks for people of the christian faith like myself who aren't nutjobs and aren't evangelicals because it gives us a bad name and reputation.

Surprised this hasn't been posted given the way Trump has been frothing at the mouth over it (he froths so much though), such an excellent piece from what I imagine is a very authoritative source?

https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2019/december-web-only/trump-should-be-removed-from-office.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/12/christianity-today-trump-removal/603952/

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2 hours ago, Chach said:

(Sorry for the late response I have neglected to login for a while)

She will almost certainly be President in the future, whip smart and an (ostensible) authenticity that seems to be lacking in politics at the moment. 

Just not true mate, the US congress is 22% BAME. African Amercians are proportionally represented. Yes, racism is a stain in most western countries but they are now demonstrably the least racist countries in the world due to their diversity.

You have certainly failed to understand my argument, the Nazi's engaging in white identity politics was exactly the type of idpol I was referring to in the post you responded to, see below.

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Jeez Chach that has been a long time, it feels like Trump bar screaming about his impeachment has been very subdued and not his normal condescending self, it feels like he’s been advised to rein it in a bit and not alienate him self further until his impeachment trial is over, does it feel that way in State’s or aren’t we getting the much news on his latest antics. 

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2 hours ago, Chach said:

Surprised this hasn't been posted given the way Trump has been frothing at the mouth over it (he froths so much though), such an excellent piece from what I imagine is a very authoritative source?

https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2019/december-web-only/trump-should-be-removed-from-office.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/12/christianity-today-trump-removal/603952/

In classic trump move he called the publication “far left, liberal and progressive”.  It was founded by billy graham a die hard evengelical pastor and was the bastion of the right for decades.  One article denouncing trump and it’s far left.  Sadly his minions just lap it up and believe it.  They are sheep and he is their shepherd.  No critical thinking, no thinking for themselves, no questioning authority. Just blind obedience.

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56 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

In classic trump move he called the publication “far left, liberal and progressive”.  It was founded by billy graham a die hard evengelical pastor and was the bastion of the right for decades.  One article denouncing trump and it’s far left.  Sadly his minions just lap it up and believe it.  They are sheep and he is their shepherd.  No critical thinking, no thinking for themselves, no questioning authority. Just blind obedience.

Mark what can you do mate, if they can’t see for themselves you’re never convince them. 

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2 hours ago, Palfy said:

Wish we had the option with Boris, take it easy mate and Happy new year Mark 

We head into a morally bankrupt new decade all over the World with our two countries at the forefront. Lessons of (relatively recent) history forgotten; if I was a religious person I'd say God help us but I'm not so I have no idea where the hope is. I fear for my grandchildren.

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17 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

In classic trump move he called the publication “far left, liberal and progressive”.  It was founded by billy graham a die hard evengelical pastor and was the bastion of the right for decades.  One article denouncing trump and it’s far left.  Sadly his minions just lap it up and believe it.  They are sheep and he is their shepherd.  No critical thinking, no thinking for themselves, no questioning authority. Just blind obedience.

At least some Christian leaders are taking a principled stand though which I am sure is important for the sanity of thoughtful Christians who aren't blind to the immorality of Trump.

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On 18/12/2019 at 19:12, MikeO said:

But he's going to stand up and say, “I solemnly swear (or affirm, as the case may be,) that in all things appertaining to the trial of the impeachment of [Donald Trump], now pending, I will do impartial justice according to the Constitution and laws: So help me God.” and not mean it?

Astounding. There's a first, a politician who admits he's going to lie even before he does it!

At least he is being honest about being partial. It at least elevates him above the level of Bercow.

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1 minute ago, Sibdane said:

More referring to this as the possible catalyst. 

There’s so many catalysts collecting on this particular dumpster fire. One of the reasons I’m desperate to stay in Switzerland; clowns to the left of us, jokers to the right...

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2 minutes ago, Sibdane said:

More referring to this as the possible catalyst. 

I live and work in Dubai and we have become used to this sort of thing over the years. But this does have a different 'feeling' to it and I have to agree. Things may escalate.

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3 minutes ago, RPG said:

At least he is being honest about being partial. It at least elevates him above the level of Bercow.

There is no "at least" in this situation. One of his job responsibilities is to be impartial. 

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1 minute ago, RPG said:

I live and work in Dubai and we have become used to this sort of thing over the years. But this does have a different 'feeling' to it and I have to agree. Things may escalate.

Likewise on the feeling. Obviously aware of everything going on in the Middle East, but this does feel different. Hopefully it doesn't lead to worse, but I don't trust Trump to attempt to deescalate it. 

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Just now, Sibdane said:

There is no "at least" in this situation. One of his job responsibilities is to be impartial. 

So was our former speaker of the House of Commons. He claimed to be impartial when he clearly wasn't. The 'at least' referred to your man at least admitting his failings.

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2 minutes ago, RPG said:

So was our former speaker of the House of Commons. He claimed to be impartial when he clearly wasn't. The 'at least' referred to your man at least admitting his failings.

I wish he viewed it as a failing. There is no way McConnell thinks he's in the wrong and is just appealing to Trump's supporters (who are also more than likely to support him). 

Granted, I haven't been on this planet long, but I've never seen a president with more of a cult-like following than Trump, and that includes the folks working in the capital. 

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