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3 hours ago, Chach said:

Oh right, that's why I was confused I would have thought most people with a vague interest in politics would know who the minority leader was in their own state. (I know my own, not so much the other states)

She actually did considerably better than previous democratic candidates with a 5% swing to her, from what I've read you have issues with voter suppression and she ran a very effective campaign to combat it. 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/stacey-abrams-census-voting-rights-vice-president-953173/

 

I couldn't tell you the names of majority or minority leaders in the state, sorry. They mostly seem irrelevant, and I never watch TV. There was a lot of hype around Stacy Abrams during the governor election, but she didn't do particularly well. She came across as very naive, hence my earlier comment. The same was true of John Ossoff, who also stood in a well-publicized election and lost. Yes, there was considerable voter suppression, but I doubt it would have changed the outcome.

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6 hours ago, Cornish Steve said:

I couldn't tell you the names of majority or minority leaders in the state, sorry. They mostly seem irrelevant, and I never watch TV. There was a lot of hype around Stacy Abrams during the governor election, but she didn't do particularly well. She came across as very naive, hence my earlier comment. The same was true of John Ossoff, who also stood in a well-publicized election and lost. Yes, there was considerable voter suppression, but I doubt it would have changed the outcome.

You keep saying she didn't do particularly well but have you looked at the numbers?

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Now look at 2014

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23% increase in voter turnout, if I had to guess I'd say she mobilised both sides. One side maybe out of spite.

with only 50k votes in it, I would say it definitely affected the outcome.

“Kemp’s actions during the election were textbook voter suppression. His actions were strategic, careless and aimed at silencing the voting power of communities of color in the state.” Consider these numbers.

• In the three months leading up to election day, more than 85,000 voters were purged from rolls under Kemp. During 2017 668,000 voters were purged, according to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

GOP stole it, no wonder she refused to concede.

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17 hours ago, Chach said:

You keep saying she didn't do particularly well but have you looked at the numbers?

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Now look at 2014

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23% increase in voter turnout, if I had to guess I'd say she mobilised both sides. One side maybe out of spite.

with only 50k votes in it, I would say it definitely affected the outcome.

“Kemp’s actions during the election were textbook voter suppression. His actions were strategic, careless and aimed at silencing the voting power of communities of color in the state.” Consider these numbers.

• In the three months leading up to election day, more than 85,000 voters were purged from rolls under Kemp. During 2017 668,000 voters were purged, according to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

GOP stole it, no wonder she refused to concede.

The most memorable thing about that election was just how poor Brian Kemp was as a candidate. He's the one who boasted he would drive around in his truck, gun in hand, hunting for illegal immigrants. Then he blatantly rigged the election. He was an unpopular candidate, but people in Georgia tend to vote party over candidate. Not always, but usually. Amazingly, in Cobb County, one of the wealthiest in the state, a Democrat won the seat. Very good candidates will win; Stacy Abrams did not.

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7 hours ago, Cornish Steve said:

The most memorable thing about that election was just how poor Brian Kemp was as a candidate. He's the one who boasted he would drive around in his truck, gun in hand, hunting for illegal immigrants. Then he blatantly rigged the election. 

This is the prime difference between the right and the left, the left organise marches and carry placards. The right (who are also often rural) get into positions of power and stack the system in their favour.

Not sure I agree she is a bad candidate on account of her not winning when they are purging the electoral roll of people who would vote for her but lets just agree to disagree.

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On 10/03/2020 at 06:11, Chach said:

This is the prime difference between the right and the left, the left organise marches and carry placards. The right (who are also often rural) get into positions of power and stack the system in their favour.

Not sure I agree she is a bad candidate on account of her not winning when they are purging the electoral roll of people who would vote for her but lets just agree to disagree.

One of the most intriguing suggestions I've read is for Joe Biden to choose John Kasich (a Republican) as his VP. It's not a bad idea.

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10 hours ago, Cornish Steve said:

One of the most intriguing suggestions I've read is for Joe Biden to choose John Kasich (a Republican) as his VP. It's not a bad idea.

I'm a fan of Kasich. That would be an interesting pick. 

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Covid-19 "hoax" to "national emergency" in how many days?

The man needs professional help, and I mean personal medical help; he has all the political help he needs, must be ignoring it.

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7 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

he's been in contact with someone who has it from brazil, many people believe Trump has COVID-19

If that’s true he will be accusing the Russians of an assassination attempt o his life by germ warfare.

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2 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

Not sure he'll be blaming his handlers. More likely to throw that accusation at the Iranians or something.

Or the Mexicans because if he'd built his wall it would've stopped the virus getting over the border.

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29 minutes ago, TallPaul1878 said:

Orange Man bad. Beep boop beep!

I don't see him as "bad"; I just see him as a fool and a narcissist. As I mentioned a few posts back, he's in serious need of psychological help, and I'm not joking about it I'm perfectly serious.

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On 15/03/2020 at 00:32, MikeO said:

I don't see him as "bad"; I just see him as a fool and a narcissist. As I mentioned a few posts back, he's in serious need of psychological help, and I'm not joking about it I'm perfectly serious.

He's implying you have Trump Derangement Syndrome and Trump has done nothing wrong and you can't see straight because of your hatred of him.

It's pretty much the only response to genuine criticism of him now because he's so far gone with the handling of this virus that there's no defence. 

 

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A couple of questions for our ( good old boys) American blues. 
1) What is the general consensus on how Trump has dealt with the Virus. 
2) If many Americans lose their lives ( and I pray that they don’t) could that cost Trump a second term if felt he could have handled it a lot better, or will it have no bearing and he will be re-elected no matter what happens. 

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2 hours ago, Palfy said:

A couple of questions for our ( good old boys) American blues. 
1) What is the general consensus on how Trump has dealt with the Virus. 
2) If many Americans lose their lives ( and I pray that they don’t) could that cost Trump a second term if felt he could have handled it a lot better, or will it have no bearing and he will be re-elected no matter what happens. 

My experience talking to family and friends over there is; depends on your existing political alignment. It won’t harm his chances at all.

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33 minutes ago, Matt said:

My experience talking to family and friends over there is; depends on your existing political alignment. It won’t harm his chances at all.

👍 Pretty much as I thought to many he can do no wrong.  

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1 hour ago, Palfy said:

👍 Pretty much as I thought to many he can do no wrong.  

I’m not sure it’s that. I think it’s because this isn’t something he started and, even though he’s made some stupid comments (which people are numb too, even expect) and made bad decisions, that’s been true of a lot of leaders. Plus, whilst he’s been slow to react, there are efforts being made which will be fuel to support him  

I hate that all this has a political side though to be honest. It shows such ignorance, pettiness and overall misunderstanding of politics, timelines and the nature of life. It’s brought out the best of a lot of people, but once it’s subsided next year (I don’t see things being resolved until then) it’s going to become a tool for politicians to bicker and fight more, and people seem to have short memories.

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28 minutes ago, Matt said:

I hate that all this has a political side though to be honest. It shows such ignorance, pettiness and overall misunderstanding of politics, timelines and the nature of life.

I do agree that it’s not helpful when political opponents use it as a weapon to beat each other with whilst we are still fighting it, they should be working together for the good of everyone. 
But when the people who hold the power to make a difference are getting it wrong, then they should be criticised in the hope it makes them do better to say nothing would be just as damaging imo. 

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3 minutes ago, Palfy said:

I do agree that it’s not helpful when political opponents use it as a weapon to beat each other with whilst we are still fighting it, they should be working together for the good of everyone. 
But when the people who hold the power to make a difference are getting it wrong, then they should be criticised in the hope it makes them do better to say nothing would be just as damaging imo. 

Criticizing is absolutely the right thing to do, but it shouldn’t ever be a tool for oneupmanship which it will be, and already is to a degree. 

When i get 30 mins on the computer I’ll be having a big rant about all this!

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5 minutes ago, Matt said:

Criticizing is absolutely the right thing to do, but it shouldn’t ever be a tool for oneupmanship which it will be, and already is to a degree. 

When i get 30 mins on the computer I’ll be having a big rant about all this!

Not to big Matt my spirits need lifting mate😂

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5 minutes ago, Palfy said:

Not to big Matt my spirits need lifting mate😂

After reading some threads and posts, I’ve become infuriated by the sheer lack of perspective of some, on both sides of the topic and I need to get it off Mum chest. 

Unfortunately my replacement phone is mental and infuriating even for short posts, so when i get time I’m getting on the computer to rant. Then I’ll be happy and positive 

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5 minutes ago, Matt said:

After reading some threads and posts, I’ve become infuriated by the sheer lack of perspective of some, on both sides of the topic and I need to get it off Mum chest. 

Unfortunately my replacement phone is mental and infuriating even for short posts, so when i get time I’m getting on the computer to rant. Then I’ll be happy and positive 

Fuck something tells me I’m in the shit. 

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5 minutes ago, Palfy said:

Fuck something tells me I’m in the shit. 

Me too, on self reflection, so don’t worry. I won’t name names because that’s not the objective, I just need a brain dump

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10 hours ago, Palfy said:

A couple of questions for our ( good old boys) American blues. 
1) What is the general consensus on how Trump has dealt with the Virus. 
2) If many Americans lose their lives ( and I pray that they don’t) could that cost Trump a second term if felt he could have handled it a lot better, or will it have no bearing and he will be re-elected no matter what happens. 

1) Consensus is about 50/50 right now. 

2) I think it depends on where we are come closer to election time. If we're not showing any progress but other countries are then I suspect that will sway a few of the middle-of-the-road Republicans. 

I do blame Trump for his slow response and treating it as a hoax when it came out, but then you also have some other folks who aren't taking this pandemic seriously. My state just now went into "shelter-in-place" mode, and it's already been three months. Should've happened when we got the first few cases. We're right in the middle of travel hotspots (Florida & New Orleans).

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45 minutes ago, Sibdane said:

1) Consensus is about 50/50 right now. 

2) I think it depends on where we are come closer to election time. If we're not showing any progress but other countries are then I suspect that will sway a few of the middle-of-the-road Republicans. 

I do blame Trump for his slow response and treating it as a hoax when it came out, but then you also have some other folks who aren't taking this pandemic seriously. My state just now went into "shelter-in-place" mode, and it's already been three months. Should've happened when we got the first few cases. We're right in the middle of travel hotspots (Florida & New Orleans).

I think being slow to react and not learning from those that are doing better and those that aren’t, is beyond contemptible it’s the same virus no matter what country you live in and will be devastating for those countries that don’t take the tough decisions faster. 
Trump for me acts like he’s invincible because he’s the leader of the most powerful country in the world, again he scorns advice from the medical professionals in your country, when they recommended people try to protect themselves and others by wearing a mask,  he puts the advice down by saying he wouldn’t wear a mask and tells the country you don’t have to wear one, what idiot would say that in all honesty, yet his wife tweets the complete opposite. 
She must be thinking what a dick I’ve married. 
Stay safe Sibdane New Orleans has I believe the most positive case per head than anywhere else in the State’s and is a ticking time bomb. 

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11 hours ago, Palfy said:

A couple of questions for our ( good old boys) American blues. 
1) What is the general consensus on how Trump has dealt with the Virus. 
2) If many Americans lose their lives ( and I pray that they don’t) could that cost Trump a second term if felt he could have handled it a lot better, or will it have no bearing and he will be re-elected no matter what happens. 

1.  He’s been horrible.  But it’s all partisan, liberals think he’s been bad, conservatives approve of anything he does and tow the party line regardless.

2. This is a strange one.  The people that are dying the stereotypically conservatives (aka old people).  I don’t think he’s shifted opinion on him with the job he’s done but if it gets really bad all those “it’s a hoax it will blow over next week” sound clips will be playing constantly come election time.

 

but another wrinkle is the election.  My state Ohio canceled our primary and is doing only mail in ballots.  This greatly favors conservatives As poor folks aren’t paying postage and going online to Print off a ballot (need access to internet, need printer, need post stamps).  All those work against the poor and middle class especially in the depression we are about to be in.  If the general election is the same way I think he will win no problem. 

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2 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

1.  He’s been horrible.  But it’s all partisan, liberals think he’s been bad, conservatives approve of anything he does and how the party line regardless.

2. This is a strange one.  The people that are dying the stereotypically conservatives (aka old people).  I don’t think he’s shifted opinion on him with the job he’s done but if it gets really bad all those “it’s a hoax it will blow over next week” sound clips will be playing constantly come election time.

 

but another wrinkle is the election.  My state Ohio canceled our primary and is doing only mail in ballots.  This greatly favors conservatives As poor folks aren’t paying postage and going online to do all the legwork to vote.  If the general election is the same way I think he will win no problem. 

Things could fall into his lap when it comes to the primaries, stay safe Mark. 

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21 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

1.  He’s been horrible.  But it’s all partisan, liberals think he’s been bad, conservatives approve of anything he does and tow the party line regardless.

2. This is a strange one.  The people that are dying the stereotypically conservatives (aka old people).  I don’t think he’s shifted opinion on him with the job he’s done but if it gets really bad all those “it’s a hoax it will blow over next week” sound clips will be playing constantly come election time.

 

but another wrinkle is the election.  My state Ohio canceled our primary and is doing only mail in ballots.  This greatly favors conservatives As poor folks aren’t paying postage and going online to Print off a ballot (need access to internet, need printer, need post stamps).  All those work against the poor and middle class especially in the depression we are about to be in.  If the general election is the same way I think he will win no problem. 

Hearing small murmurs that the election could possibly not happen... I really hope that's not the case. That would be Trump's dream come true.

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15 minutes ago, Sibdane said:

Hearing small murmurs that the election could possibly not happen... I really hope that's not the case. That would be Trump's dream come true.

No way could it go ahead with current restrictions in place, but you'd hope by November things will be sorted. The rallies and stuff you could do without anyway if needed.

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