markjazzbassist Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 We have 2 weeks off for the international break, who knows who will get injured during that period (sad but true). After the shambolic display agaisnt Arsenal it's time for a change of formation (but we won't see it). Here's what I want to see and what we will see Want aka attack the hell out of that shit back line. Robles Coleman Jags Mori Baines Barry Gerry Barkley Lennon Mirallas Lukaku what we'll really see Robles Coleman Jags Mori Baines McCarthy Barry Lennon Barkley Cleverley Lukaku Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 (edited) We have 2 weeks off for the international break, who knows who will get injured during that period (sad but true). After the shambolic display agaisnt Arsenal it's time for a change of formation (but we won't see it). Here's what I want to see and what we will see Want aka attack the hell out of that shit back line. Robles Coleman Jags Mori Baines Barry Gerry Barkley Lennon Mirallas Lukaku what we'll really see Robles Coleman Jags Mori Baines McCarthy Barry Lennon Barkley Cleverley Lukaku Gerry as a centre midfielder? Maybe push Barry and Barkley together in the middle and play Gerry behind Rom, but no way would I have Gerry as a centre midfielder. Edited March 21, 2016 by Hafnia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted March 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Gerry as a centre midfielder? Maybe push Barry and Barkley together in the middle and play Gerry behind Rom, but no way would I have Gerry as a centre midfielder. have you ever watched barca? they play a 3 midfield but only 1 is a central player, busquest. INiesta and rakitic roam and create. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rusty747 Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 (edited) I fear we are going to get well and truly twatted here. United will be basking in the glory of their victory over City and have just started believing that fourth is still possible. We will have 2 weeks to lick our wounds, feel sorry for ourselves and convince ourselves that the league doesn't matter too much provided we win the FA Cup. 5-0 to United. Edited March 21, 2016 by rusty747 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Lukaku v Smalling is the key. Smalling was MOM against City but he is prone to panic and throw in a reckless tackle. If Rom pressures him, particularly in the penalty area, I can see us getting a penalty and Smalling a yellow or red. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeQuince Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Gerry as a centre midfielder? Maybe push Barry and Barkley together in the middle and play Gerry behind Rom, but no way would I have Gerry as a centre midfielder. Barry is still suspended, anyhow. Hopefully he's enjoying his extended rest! I actually like the idea of having Gerry as one of two roaming midfielders with Ross. But, I like it against the Tony Pulis teams. Even though United isn't the United of old, they still command more respect in midfield than that. We would get exploited for our defensive deficiencies. Now, if Roberto forced all of our players to work hard defensively to win back the ball, we could talk about it against teams like ManUre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted March 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Barry is still suspended, anyhow. Hopefully he's enjoying his extended rest! I actually like the idea of having Gerry as one of two roaming midfielders with Ross. But, I like it against the Tony Pulis teams. Even though United isn't the United of old, they still command more respect in midfield than that. We would get exploited for our defensive deficiencies. Now, if Roberto forced all of our players to work hard defensively to win back the ball, we could talk about it against teams like ManUre. dang he got a 3 match ban? i thought it was a yellow then red isn't that only a 1 match ban? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 dang he got a 3 match ban? i thought it was a yellow then red isn't that only a 1 match ban? Two match ban. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 have you ever watched barca? they play a 3 midfield but only 1 is a central player, busquest. INiesta and rakitic roam and create. Have I ever watched Barca? Maybe that's the problem with Martinez - he thinks watching Barca means we can be Barca... As for the 3 central midfielders (not 1) Google todocampista. Deulofeu isn't one - he's an "attacking midfielder" chicagoblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted March 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Have I ever watched Barca? Maybe that's the problem with Martinez - he thinks watching Barca means we can be Barca... As for the 3 central midfielders (not 1) Google todocampista. Deulofeu isn't one - he's an "attacking midfielder" which is what iniesta and rakitic are as well, hence my formation! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 which is what iniesta and rakitic are as well, hence my formation! Todocampista - jack of all trades can play central midfield at any depth. Deulofeu is not a central midfielder, he can't tackle for a start. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted March 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Todocampista - jack of all trades can play central midfield at any depth. Deulofeu is not a central midfielder, he can't tackle for a start. that's fine i don't need them to. my formation has 4 defenders and a sitter in barry. baines and coleman don't need to bomb on, just defend. we have 5 attackers. there are plenty of formations without 2 sitter mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elston Gunnn Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 my formation has 4 defenders and a sitter in barry. Barry is suspended. http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2016/03/12/two-match-ban-for-barry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalkpie Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 For the record I hate the international break. Bring on these red wankers!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baba Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Lukaku v Smalling is the key. Smalling was MOM against City but he is prone to panic and throw in a reckless tackle. If Rom pressures him, particularly in the penalty area, I can see us getting a penalty and Smalling a yellow or red. I think that if Rom gets to see any of the ball it'll be a step in the right direction! Only touches he had on Saturday were when he became frustrated and started to drop deep looking for it - meaning then that we had nobody in the middle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elston Gunnn Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 Two comments from Roberto's post-Arsenal reaction interest me, as they relate to our next match. (1) “Unless you can show you are a player to drive Everton forward, it will be difficult to see how you can stay in the side." (2) “The competition for places is as good as it’s ever been." Now, admittedly, there may be little reason to take anything he says seriously. But just in case he was actually angry, what to make of these 2 statements? The first seems a warning that several, even many, of the usual starters may not start v. ManU. And the second seems to say he has solid options at many/most positions, so no one is guaranteed to start. Taken together, these statements suggest we might see changes to the starting lineup in the next match. For me, McCarthy, Funes Mori, and Barkley should be dropped. Maybe these 3 will produce sparkling performances over the international break, but even then I'd prefer Roberto back up his threat. Do we really have vigorous "competition for places"? Ok, well, let's see if a few new faces will produce more actual, relentless effort in the next match. Robles Coleman Jagielka Somebody?? Baines/Oviedo Stones Gibson Deulofeu Kone Mirallas Lukaku Lennon for Deulofeu at 55-50 minutes. Cleverley on when Gibson runs out of gas. McCarthy or Besic on late if by some miracle we're winning. Strange? Yes. Weaker than our usual starters? I don't know. Is there or is there not real "competition for places"? For all his mediocre play, isn't Kone in fact more likely than Barkley to be in the box for one of Deulofeu's crosses? Surely Mirallas should start. Can't Gibson "pick a pass"? Somebody to pair with Jagielka? Galloway? You're right, that's crazy, so make it Holgate or Pennington. Or Funes Mori, if he scores 2 or 3 headers against Chile and Bolivia. Roberto will probably make only 1 change from Arsenal, bringing Osman in, because the usual suspects will undoubtedly have shown in international competition that they are the players to "drive Everton forward" and because "the competition for places is as good as it's ever been," i.e., not so good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 Lennon was one of the better performers against Arsenal. Dropping him would be a very negative statement to the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elston Gunnn Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 Lennon was one of the better performers against Arsenal. Dropping him would be a very negative statement to the team. Yes, you're probably right. So replace Kone with Lennon in my starting lineup. Move Lennon to RW for Deulofeu at 60 minutes, bring on Niasse or Kone to play behind Lukaku. My weird lineup has no chance to be the starters. I am simply taking Roberto at his word. But he was probably simply blathering again, and will not actually make real changes to challenge his players. Osman, maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 I would love to see a much changed team. Give them a real kick up the arse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rusty747 Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 Well, lets be honest, there is nothing left to play for in the league so I would be happy to play several youngsters and/or recent bench warmers to give them a chance and to give certain first choice players a kick up the arse. We can lose every game to the end of the season and not get relegated and we can win every game to the end of the season and not get Europe so lets use this opportunity to find out who wants it, who stays and who goes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 Well, lets be honest, there is nothing left to play for in the league so I would be happy to play several youngsters and/or recent bench warmers to give them a chance and to give certain first choice players a kick up the arse. We can lose every game to the end of the season and not get relegated and we can win every game to the end of the season and not get Europe so lets use this opportunity to find out who wants it, who stays and who goes! At a million pounds per final position in the league? No way. We should be pushing for the highest finish possible. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Well, lets be honest, there is nothing left to play for in the league. Progress is not only made season to season, its made across seasons. If the coaching staff and players thought like you we'd be non league in 5 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalkpie Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 (edited) Progress is not only made season to season, its made across seasons. You are right. Any supposed progress has gone down the toilet mate. Let's see this progress: 2013-2014: 5th 2014-2015: 11th 2015 - 2016: 12th (at the moment) Would you like to see the stats as well? We also have the luxury of looking back at what Roberto did at Wigan (tactically and otherwise), and his history seems to be very consistent other than the one-off season we had of the team he inherited with Moyes. Is it any coincidence that we only conceded 39 goals that entire season? We're at 41 right now with 9 games remaining. Is that progress for you? Is 4 home wins in the better part of a year progress enough for you? Let's give Roberto five years, and let's see what top tier players we will hold onto at the conclusion of the five. Edited March 24, 2016 by chalkpie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 I recall last year around January when we had the Mirallas penno incident - he was scared enough to make dramatic changes to how we played, he allowed the defenders to clear their lines and we got away from danger. I remember thinking "is he going to do what is right to get out of trouble rather than obey his own arrogant pride" - he did. Roll on another year and the same pattern emerges, he just can't help himself, he surely realised the value of defend first and then play. He needs to feel the heat to make the right calls. I'm sorry but he is like the bloke who can't be told - he will use the cushion of points to "show case" his footballing priniciples - when that cushion goes he will then hit the emergency button. Twice in this season we have had periods where we got into the chasing pack and it turned out that the team looked like they had their pipe and slippers thinking they were the dutch team of the 70's.... so nearly a very good manager - but most certainly an arrogant, stubborn fool who has lost most of his credibility with fans, players and the media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 You are right. Any supposed progress has gone down the toilet mate. Let's see this progress: 2013-2014: 5th 2014-2015: 11th 2015 - 2016: 12th (at the moment) Would you like to see the stats as well? We also have the luxury of looking back at what Roberto did at Wigan (tactically and otherwise), and his history seems to be very consistent other than the one-off season we had of the team he inherited with Moyes. Is it any coincidence that we only conceded 39 goals that entire season? We're at 41 right now with 9 games remaining. Is that progress for you? Is 4 home wins in the better part of a year progress enough for you? Let's give Roberto five years, and let's see what top tier players we will hold onto at the conclusion of the five. Which is two places higher than we were at this stage last season and we're seven points better off. We'd lost twelve games last year and this we've only lost nine. Now that's progress! Chach 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalkpie Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Which is two places higher than we were at this stage last season and we're seven points better off. We'd lost twelve games last year and this we've only lost nine. Now that's progress! Stop making sense! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rusty747 Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 (edited) I still think we may need to go one pace back (playing the youngsters/ reserves) for a few games to go 2 paces forwards - revitalising current first team starters. If we just shamble along to the end of the season without at least trying new personnel and systems then it will have been a wasted opportunity. I understand the argument about a million £ per finishing place but do we want to maximise revenue this season or finish top of the league next season? Edited March 24, 2016 by rusty747 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted March 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 here we go, besic looks to be fully fit again having played both bosnia matches. my updated lineups Want aka attack the hell out of that shit back line. Robles Coleman Jags Mori Baines Besic Gerry Barkley Lennon Mirallas Lukaku what we'll really see Robles Coleman Jags Mori Baines McCarthy Besic Lennon Barkley Cleverley Lukaku Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chach Posted April 1, 2016 Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 Hopefully that guy who dressed up as the grim reaper at Goodison is making the journey to Old Trafford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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