johnh Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 Incidentally, while the EU were playing silly beggars and spouting poison at May, they were also introducing the latest round of austerity for Greece. This is the same EU who have decided that they are not going to penalise Germany for exceeding EU guidelines on Current Account surplus by more than 40%. Making the rich richer, PeteO, and the poor poorer, the EU are experts at it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 Incidentally, while the EU were playing silly beggars and spouting poison at May, they were also introducing the latest round of austerity for Greece. This is the same EU who have decided that they are not going to penalise Germany for exceeding EU guidelines on Current Account surplus by more than 40%. Making the rich richer, PeteO, and the poor poorer, the EU are experts at itFunny enough we are the next worse country (after Greece) for making the rich rich and poor poorer. And that has nothing to do with the EU, if anything the EU has slowed down our push for complete austerity. So how is Corbyn not a choice compared to May? https://m.facebook.com/UnityMarchUK/photos/a.989592134455649.1073741828.987436641337865/1350445985036927/?type=3&source=48 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 (edited) Funny enough we are the next worse country (after Greece) for making the rich rich and poor poorer. And that has nothing to do with the EU, if anything the EU has slowed down our push for complete austerity. So how is Corbyn not a choice compared to May? https://m.facebook.com/UnityMarchUK/photos/a.989592134455649.1073741828.987436641337865/1350445985036927/?type=3&source=48 Pete, its not just Corbyn v May. It is which party is capable of forming a government which is capable of running the country. Labour are not competent at the moment. Diane Abbot as Home Secretary sums it up. Please explain how the EU has slowed down a push for complete austerity. I was never aware of a push for complete austerity. Edited May 6, 2017 by johnh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 Pete, its not just Corbyn v May. It is which party is capable of forming a government which is capable of running the country. Labour are not competent at the moment. Diane Abbot as Home Secretary sums it up. Please explain how the EU has slowed down a push for complete austerity. I was never aware of a push for complete austerity. One incompetent person, doesn't justify voting for rulers who hid paedophiles and covered up Hillsborough, and are now doing their best to destroy the country's people. They put money in to projects in City's outside of London, Manchester, and Birmingham. Liverpool would be derelict without the EUs help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 Pete, I've posted this before. The EU's 'help' was them returning some of our own money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 Pete, I've posted this before. The EU's 'help' was them returning some of our own money.money that was taken out of the area by Parliament, and put back into the areas that needed it by the EU. Evil bastards.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 Matt, I agree the EU are bastards but not sure about evil. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted May 7, 2017 Report Share Posted May 7, 2017 Matt, I agree the EU are bastards but not sure about evil. If i had a quid for every time you deflected from an argument rather than answered it. I could the fund the NHS by 350 million a week MikeO and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted May 8, 2017 Report Share Posted May 8, 2017 If i had a quid for every time you deflected from an argument rather than answered it. I could the fund the NHS by 350 million a week Chach, I didn't see a question mark in Matt's post. I think he was making a statement not asking a question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted May 8, 2017 Report Share Posted May 8, 2017 A question for Holystove. In a previous post, you said that Germany had no special powers in the EU and were just one of 27 nations. You state above, that after the London meeting, Juncker phoned Merkel at 7.30 am the day after the dinner. Presumably, he spent the whole morning on the phone speaking to the heads of government of the other 26 members. My guess is that he did not, he only contacted his boss (oops, sorry) Merkel. My question is this: If Germany have no special powers, why did he decide to phone only Merkel? From a EU-constitutional-law point of view, Germany is just one of 27. Procedurally, Germany, althought the biggest EU-member state, can be blocked on any issue. Why did Juncker phone Merkel? I don't know.. I assume he has a great relationship with her as they have been working together for decades now, in the same political group .. Did he call any other MS27-leader? Maybe he hoped May would be more inclined to listen to Merkel than to him? Merkel is an impressive political leader who believes in a strong EU. She seems like a natural ally of Juncker. I am quite certain that from now on Macron will be one of the first people he calls on politically sensitive issues. The real question is, could they have decided something in that phone call that would have an effect on all member-states.. easy answer: no. Matt, Chach and MikeO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted May 8, 2017 Report Share Posted May 8, 2017 Thanks for answering Holystove. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-39872211 Matt and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-39872211 i love his/her/their work, very thought provoking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 Imagine the good fortune to have not one but two of his pieces painted on your property.I watched a daytime episode of a tv show where four auctioneers value something and make an offer, someone bought in a banksy piece for £30k, they literally cut out a segment of a brick wall about 3 metres wide by 2 high to bring in to the show for a valuation. They turned down an offer of £240k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 Imagine the good fortune to have not one but two of his pieces painted on your property. I watched a daytime episode of a tv show where four auctioneers value something and make an offer, someone bought in a banksy piece for £30k, they literally cut out a segment of a brick wall about 3 metres wide by 2 high to bring in to the show for a valuation. They turned down an offer of £240k. This was brilliant also... https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2013/oct/14/banksy-sells-original-paintings-new-york-booth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 This was brilliant also... https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2013/oct/14/banksy-sells-original-paintings-new-york-booth Bastard he could have done that when I was there!! Amazing artist and mind his creativity is unbelievable tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted May 14, 2017 Report Share Posted May 14, 2017 (edited) This was brilliant also... https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2013/oct/14/banksy-sells-original-paintings-new-york-booth This is in the Guardian, so it's not true a joke and quite frankly a crime against humanity Edited May 14, 2017 by Chach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted May 18, 2017 Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 This is in the Guardian, so it's not true a joke and quite frankly a crime against humanity Same as these... https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/14/robert-mercer-cambridge-analytica-leave-eu-referendum-brexit-campaigns https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/07/the-great-british-brexit-robbery-hijacked-democracy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 Same as these... https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/14/robert-mercer-cambridge-analytica-leave-eu-referendum-brexit-campaigns https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/07/the-great-british-brexit-robbery-hijacked-democracy I know, I was satirising a certain forums members argument as being genetic in nature Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 I know, I was satirising a certain forums members argument as being genetic in nature So do I . Chach 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 odd, slightly funny, coincidence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/05/the-art-of-negotiation/ This, by a former UK senior diplomat. We can only hope it's Davis who does the negotiating (who isn't much better, but at least seems an intelligent person). I think Keir Starmer is the one that could get the best deal for the UK and EU... don't think he'll be at the table though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 Interesting read this (and not pro or anti, just interesting, bloody commie BBC )... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/The_hardest_border Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound 10 u10 uur geledenMeer Wise Labour owl says this is the young turning out to oppose Brexit a year late (Turnout 18-24% as high as 72%). I wonder what people make of this tweet. I tend to disagree as Labour isn't the anti-brexit party.. but a lot of people seem to agree with this point of view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 I don't agree either, the Lib Dems were the only main anti Brexit party and they didn't do much, still well down on the Clegg election. Bit sad to see Clegg go actually. Made a mistake trying to get his party in power and has never recovered from it. Lowensda, holystove and Romey 1878 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 I don't agree either, the Lib Dems were the only main anti Brexit party and they didn't do much, still well down on the Clegg election. Bit sad to see Clegg go actually. Made a mistake trying to get his party in power and has never recovered from it. If they hadn't joined when they were given the olive branch from the tories, I genuinely believe they'd have made the following election a 3 horse race. They tarnished their reputation and like you said. have suffered massively from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 If they hadn't joined when they were given the olive branch from the tories, I genuinely believe they'd have made the following election a 3 horse race. They tarnished their reputation and like you said. have suffered massively from it. Which is why I wasn't sad to see Clegg get booted out on his arse. He got exactly what he deserved. Lowensda 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 Which is why I wasn't sad to see Clegg get booted out on his arse. He got exactly what he deserved. From his point of view he probably thought he could have some sway and make a difference. It was a difficult decision that only looks terrible in hindsight. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 10, 2017 Report Share Posted June 10, 2017 From his point of view he probably thought he could have some sway and make a difference. It was a difficult decision that only looks terrible in hindsight. Which he did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 10, 2017 Report Share Posted June 10, 2017 From his point of view he probably thought he could have some sway and make a difference. It was a difficult decision that only looks terrible in hindsight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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