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1 hour ago, pete0 said:

Think LibDems are geeing up to prop the tory party up again. Very strange tactics they've got atm,they don't seem to be very Liberal or Democratic at all.

Don't see them taking that route again, it nearly destroyed them the last time and their remain position will be the polar opposite of the "new" Tories, who will all be "out" lemmings rather than the previous incarnations of the party who were allowed to think for themselves.

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1 hour ago, MikeO said:

Don't see them taking that route again, it nearly destroyed them the last time and their remain position will be the polar opposite of the "new" Tories, who will all be "out" lemmings rather than the previous incarnations of the party who were allowed to think for themselves.

They're ran by a remain tory. They get to bargain for remain in return to voting all other things tory, win win for the secret blue ties hiding there. 

For me I just don't see why the LibDems have let them take control of their party. Other than remain I don't see any policies that align. 

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3 minutes ago, pete0 said:

They're ran by a remain tory. They get to bargain for remain in return to voting all other things tory, win win for the secret blue ties hiding there. 

For me I just don't see why the LibDems have let them take control of their party. Other than remain I don't see any policies that align. 

Completely get the scepticism but if they can force some sanity into the in/out debate I'd vote for them strategically. Sadly I'm in a rock solid Tory seat so out of my hands (another reason why PR needs to be adopted).

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Just now, MikeO said:

Completely get the scepticism but if they can force some sanity into the in/out debate I'd vote for them strategically. Sadly I'm in a rock solid Tory seat so out of my hands (another reason why PR needs to be adopted).

Who is the Tory leader that has taken over.

 

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2 hours ago, MikeO said:

Completely get the scepticism but if they can force some sanity into the in/out debate I'd vote for them strategically. Sadly I'm in a rock solid Tory seat so out of my hands (another reason why PR needs to be adopted).

Same as me Mike I’ve got James Gray as my MP, what a wally he is. 

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3 hours ago, MikeO said:

Completely get the scepticism but if they can force some sanity into the in/out debate I'd vote for them strategically. Sadly I'm in a rock solid Tory seat so out of my hands (another reason why PR needs to be adopted).

Politically I'm probably closest to Green, then LibDems but atm I do think Corbyn is the only real option especially if he can kick out the centralists. I'd love us to adopt a similar government to the Scandinavians. People orientated rather than the exploitation crap we have disguised as capitalism. 

3 hours ago, memmaclub2 said:

Who is the Tory leader that has taken over.

 

Jo Swinson.

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7 minutes ago, Matt said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-50213548

i wish I could embed a Groundhog Day gif whilst on my phone. 

"This House can no longer keep this country hostage," he told MPs, saying Parliament had become "dysfunctional".

But the PM said he would persist with his efforts to get an early election, telling MPs that "one way or another" the current deadlock had to be broken.

From the man who was one of the prime movers in helping create the deadlock earlier in the year. 

For you Matt...

Image result for groundhog day gif

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What annoys me most about this whole debacle is that when you watch it on TV it's always the same twenty odd members that speak or raise points of order; there are 600+ (including my MP) that just sit on their hands and do as they're told.

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I think the GE is a mistake for the Tories. Ultimately Labour and Lib Dems can lose but still win and form a Govt.  

Tories have no partners in Parliament now that they stabbed the DUP in the back. There are going to be lots of independents and smaller parties winning seats than normal (in my opinion) and the Lib Dems are likely to perform very well given their very clear stance on Brexit. They may even take my vote depending on their other policies. 

Whilst the polls are in their favour, I just can't see Johnson convincing enough people to vote for him given that he is a duplicitous twat and the front benches are full of similar sorts. 

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On 25/10/2019 at 10:34, MikeO said:

I say it again  Mike  Brexit is all bollocks

 

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On 28/10/2019 at 23:27, MikeO said:

What annoys me most about this whole debacle is that when you watch it on TV it's always the same twenty odd members that speak or raise points of order; there are 600+ (including my MP) that just sit on their hands and do as they're told.

That'd be the cabinet members and shadow cabinet members.

They use back benchers to raise fringe issues and gauge public opinion. Like some back bencher talking about fracking or child abuse. Stuff that doesn't really matter to them but the voters might have issues with.

Living in a safe seat is when you see your representative just sitting on their hands because they know they'll get elected by their tribal voter base and can literally do nothing for the rest of their life

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On 04/11/2019 at 07:32, TallPaul1878 said:

That'd be the cabinet members and shadow cabinet members.

Disagree completely, quite the opposite unless the front benchers were forced in to speaking; it was Dominic Grieve, Hillary Benn, Jess Phillips, Kenneth Clarke, Jo Swinson and Ian Black to name a few off the top of my head. The front benches were largely empty or mute most of the time and Rees-Mogg even had a lie down at one point he was so bored.

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1 hour ago, pete0 said:

Key point he makes about Scum readers being treated as if they're thick as pig shit by brexit influences whereas remain used facts. 

My dad many years ago (talking 40 odd) used to know the guy who was the chief racing columnist for them and he said it was editorial policy across the "paper" for their writers to write assuming their buyers had the reading skills of a twelve year old. I'm sure they've amended that policy over the years, it's probably closer to six year olds now, and that's being harsh on many a six year old.

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Just finished reading that 68000 Polish have left this country in the last year, due to the possibility of us leaving the EU a majority of skilled workers now working in Germany, who’s productivity and growth are benefiting by being able to attract the most skilled workers in Europe, whilst we are languishing due to the threat of Brexit. 
And Boris proclaims we will be stronger on our own, the speech was miss written it should have read struggling on our own. 

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18 minutes ago, Palfy said:

Just finished reading that 68000 Polish have left this country in the last year, due to the possibility of us leaving the EU a majority of skilled workers now working in Germany, who’s productivity and growth are benefiting by being able to attract the most skilled workers in Europe, whilst we are languishing due to the threat of Brexit. 
And Boris proclaims we will be stronger on our own, the speech was miss written it should have read struggling on our own. 

That and the cost of living over here being that high that the net income just isn't worth it. 

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1 hour ago, Palfy said:

The Sex Pistols went to court and won when they were told they couldn’t promote their never mind the bollocks LP in public. 
They proved that bollocks was not an offensive word. 

You're not wrong!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Never_Mind_the_Bollocks,_Here's_the_Sex_Pistols#Title,_packaging_and_obscenity_case

Chairman of the magistrates (no doubt through gritted teeth)...

"Much as my colleagues and I wholeheartedly deplore the vulgar exploitation of the worst instincts of human nature for the purchases of commercial profits by both you and your company, we must reluctantly find you not guilty of each of the four charges."

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Since Brexit is apparently binary, and if you’re still a believer, and don’t believe that it hasn’t evolved into something that into more than “leave means leave”, then I assume you’re in the same boat as this guy? 
 

 

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1 hour ago, Matt said:

Since Brexit is apparently binary, and if you’re still a believer, and don’t believe that it hasn’t evolved into something that into more than “leave means leave”, then I assume you’re in the same boat as this guy? 
 

 

Wondered what had happened to the Monster Raving Loonies, thanks for clarifying it for me Matt.

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Now the years of uncertainty begins, begging and being held to ransom would seem to be the future for Britain, being dictated to by the EU were we have no choice but to accept there demands, and now the USA as well who will be trying to flood us with substandard food and overly expensive drugs.

 The next few years will be the years that crush the Tories as there lies start to come to the fore over Brexit. 

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8 minutes ago, Palfy said:

Now the years of uncertainty begins, begging and being held to ransom would seem to be the future for Britain, being dictated to by the EU were we have no choice but to accept there demands, and now the USA as well who will be trying to flood us with substandard food and overly expensive drugs.

 The next few years will be the years that crush the Tories as there lies start to come to the fore over Brexit. 

Trump can't wait to be your pimp.  I personally am looking forward to the pound plummeting so i can finally get over to Goodison.

 

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6 minutes ago, Palfy said:

Now the years of uncertainty begins, begging and being held to ransom would seem to be the future for Britain, being dictated to by the EU were we have no choice but to accept there demands, and now the USA as well who will be trying to flood us with substandard food and overly expensive drugs.

 The next few years will be the years that crush the Tories as there lies start to come to the fore over Brexit. 

Wish I could find the article that I read a few days ago about a financial analyst who's made his clients a fortune predicting exchange rates in the last few years, he's only a twenty-something. He said (rightly) that the £ would be strong against the €/$ following a Tory win but has also predicted that the £ would dip below parity against the € in the near future, we'll see. Personally I'm changing up £1000 to €uros tomorrow to cover next year's holiday, gamble but think it's worth taking.

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5 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

Trump can't wait to be your pimp.  I personally am looking forward to the pound plummeting so i can finally get over to Goodison.

 

😂 we will be a 3rd world country soon so don’t leave it to long 😉

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7 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

Trump can't wait to be your pimp.  I personally am looking forward to the pound plummeting so i can finally get over to Goodison.

When my dad was doing business trips to America in the 1960's he was getting $4 to £1:). From your perspective though I hope you get your trip.

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4 minutes ago, MikeO said:

Wish I could find the article that I read a few days ago about a financial analyst who's made his clients a fortune predicting exchange rates in the last few years, he's only a twenty-something. He said (rightly) that the £ would be strong against the €/$ following a Tory win but has also predicted that the £ would dip below parity against the € in the near future, we'll see. Personally I'm changing up £1000 to €uros tomorrow to cover next year's holiday, gamble but think it's worth taking.

You sound like a trader Mike I might have some of that. 

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1 hour ago, MikeO said:

Wish I could find the article that I read a few days ago about a financial analyst who's made his clients a fortune predicting exchange rates in the last few years, he's only a twenty-something. He said (rightly) that the £ would be strong against the €/$ following a Tory win but has also predicted that the £ would dip below parity against the € in the near future, we'll see. Personally I'm changing up £1000 to €uros tomorrow to cover next year's holiday, gamble but think it's worth taking.

I’m waiting for the £ to tumble so I don’t get bent over if I move my pention back

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7 hours ago, Matt said:

I’m waiting for the £ to tumble so I don’t get bent over if I move my pention back

I can't see the £ moving too much now. Maybe a little stronger even if Brexit progresses as it now should. Though it might be worth hedging your bets with your pension and splitting between £ and $ if that is an option.

I am keeping mine in $ as my future is outside UK and my retirement currency is fairly constant to the $. With interest rates so low in UK it is a very low risk bet to have a gamble with next year's holiday money though.

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Mike, in the 1960's the exchange rate was $2.80 to the £1.  I know this because I worked for a Caterpillar Dealer and we had to buy US manufactured products in US dollars.  It was $2.80 for many years and is burned on my brain.

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19 minutes ago, johnh said:

Mike, in the 1960's the exchange rate was $2.80 to the £1.  I know this because I worked for a Caterpillar Dealer and we had to buy US manufactured products in US dollars.  It was $2.80 for many years and is burned on my brain.

The dollar is about 1:1 with the CHF at the moment. I could make a fortune moving over there, but the idea of never really being sure my daughter will come back from school is just too much for me to cope with. 

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24 minutes ago, johnh said:

Mike, in the 1960's the exchange rate was $2.80 to the £1.  I know this because I worked for a Caterpillar Dealer and we had to buy US manufactured products in US dollars.  It was $2.80 for many years and is burned on my brain.

Memory must be playing tricks on me John, or maybe dad was! He was a PanAm "VIP" so always enjoyed his trips there and always bought us back brilliant gifts like baseball jackets, New York Mets ones I remember in particular although he always said his favourite city was Chicago. Happy memories apart from my mum crying whenever she got off the phone to him. She did get to go with him once though and they had a helicopter ride off the top of a skyscraper in NY and a week in Barbados after; we stayed with my aunt and were picked up by a chauffeur in a limo to take us to meet them when they got back to Heathrow. Amazing thinking about it now.

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7 minutes ago, MikeO said:

Memory must be playing tricks on me John, or maybe dad was! He was a PanAm "VIP" so always enjoyed his trips there and always bought us back brilliant gifts like baseball jackets, New York Mets ones I remember in particular although he always said his favourite city was Chicago. Happy memories apart from my mum crying whenever she got off the phone to him. She did get to go with him once though and they had a helicopter ride off the top of a skyscraper in NY and a week in Barbados after; we stayed with my aunt and were picked up by a chauffeur in a limo to take us to meet them when they got back to Heathrow. Amazing thinking about it now.

Nice memeory

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3 hours ago, MikeO said:

I own a Villa in Spain and go there regularly, and in the next year or two plan to spend longer stays, I would definitely sign up if given the opportunity to be a associate member of the EU and join the block. 

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