Hafnia Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Thinking about it, apart from pride, finishing 2nd isn't that bad. We're apparently playing whoever finishes second in group F (Iceland, Portugal, Austria or Hungary) and I fear none of them. Its the game after that... likely to be france. I fear hodgson more. Doesnt he look like an arrogant defiant prick? He has to be too clever for his own good. Its like he does it to annoy us on purpose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted June 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 What Haf said. Portugal are always going to be tricky for us and then you get hit with the hosts. That's a VERY tough start to the knockout stages. We'd get battered by a team like France. It was VITAL to finish top and we fluffed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 England's problem for a few years now is their total inability to play against teams who park the bus. On the few occasions that the opposition get numbers forward and lose possession, England are incapable of breaking at speed. They pass the ball around backwards and sideways until the opposition have all their players back behind the ball. Contrast that with Germany who, if they break up an attack in their own half, then three passes later they are up to the opposition penalty area. Hodgson is to blame. Like Martinez it appears that possession is the holy grail and anyone who gives possession away when trying a long ball (Rooney excluded) is in big trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Its the game after that... likely to be france. I fear hodgson more. Doesnt he look like an arrogant defiant prick? He has to be too clever for his own good. Its like he does it to annoy us on purpose. At that point it's the quarters, every team is going to be tough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 England's problem for a few years now is their total inability to play against teams who park the bus. On the few occasions that the opposition get numbers forward and lose possession, England are incapable of breaking at speed. They pass the ball around backwards and sideways until the opposition have all their players back behind the ball. Contrast that with Germany who, if they break up an attack in their own half, then three passes later they are up to the opposition penalty area. Hodgson is to blame. Like Martinez it appears that possession is the holy grail and anyone who gives possession away when trying a long ball (Rooney excluded) is in big trouble. The key is to have players who if a team camp out we can hit them with one of 2 options. 1. A player who will dribble and commit the defenders and make something happen. Like messi does for Barca. Our man to do that is Barkley... roy doesnt like him. 2. A big target who we can cross the ball to in the box when surrounded by defenders... step forward Andy Carroll... roy doesnt like him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted June 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 1. A player who will dribble and commit the defenders and make something happen. Like messi does for Barca. Our man to do that is Barkley... roy doesnt like him. In my opinion, he's the only midfielder capable of doing this in the squad. Sterling is...just Sterling. Lallana is too slight and slow, Rooney has lost pace to beat a man and Henderson is just weak. Alli can do it, when he wants to but he prefers to sit back and dictate the passing game. He does make VERY good runs though and is a willing runner, he just doesn't do it enough with the ball at his feet IMO. Ross can. Ross isn't perfect and he is going to lose to ball once in a while but he's better than what's currently out there. Now, I do have my reservations about Kane and it's all about the service (this argument again). At Spurs, it's on a plate for him and the guys behind him know how he plays, the likes of Eriksen, Lamela and Alli feed him constantly. They get the ball to him fast and allow him to do his thing, which is finishing. He's a true, out and out confidence striker who will hit everything and anything first time (if he could). With England, he's being made to work for it and it shows he can't do that sort of work. But, you put someone like Barkley behind him, I genuinely think you'd see the Kane we've been used to the league. At present, he has Sterling (no final ball), Sturridge (selfish style striker), Lallana (accuracy is dire), Rooney (too occupied) and Wilshere (dire)....he isn't getting the service and it's blatant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted June 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Another thing that annoys me. Stones has been publicly slated by Roy and the fucking England media/pundit bandwagon, for taking risks as a defender. Erm......Chris Smalling? Does it all the time. Doesn't get lambasted. The bias is getting laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Something will come out about Hodgson and his treatment of players... barkley the main one. Something not right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Please take a minute to read this interview... this was immediately after a man of the match performance from barkley in 2014. A very telling insight. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/10876927/England-2-Ecuador-2-Ross-Barkley-brought-back-down-to-earth-after-Roy-Hodgson-criticises-his-decision-making.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted June 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Barkley would play every match if he had left Everton last season to sit on the bench at Man City or Chelsea. He'd be a "big club" player and totally indispensable. England have their favourites, they always have and it's always been a problem that has ultimately cost them tournament after tournament. Problem is, when you're not at a 'big' club, you're not as marketable. I'm absolutely convinced that this is another reason as to why the team you play for has precedence over form/ability. Otherwise Danny Drinkwater (unfashionable player and team) would be the first player on that team sheet. The FA are money makers, Hodgson is a yes man. Who can make them more money? Sterling (not sure why), Wilshere (unjustifiable inclusion) and Henderson (Liverpool captain). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Another thing that annoys me. Stones has been publicly slated by Roy and the fucking England media/pundit bandwagon, for taking risks as a defender. Erm......Chris Smalling? Does it all the time. Doesn't get lambasted. The bias is getting laughable. Like last night when he chested the ball back to Hart... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted June 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Like last night when he chested the ball back to Hart... Yes. Exactly. I'm sure Roy will see it as 'top defending'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Why Wales are the better team...http://www.newsweek.com/wales-england-euro-2016-sport-472677 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Sterling is only in the side to sell replica England shirts to Man City fans. And because his name makes for creative headlines: "Sterling job", "Sterling Pounds..", ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 (edited) Townsend with his direct runs and delivery would have seen us in a better position imo rather than taking Thelma from Scooby Do and love him or hate him Andy Carol should have gone he'd have caused teams massive problems from set pieces in the last 20 mins and dragged defenders from pillar to post creating space for others Wilshire isn't fit enough and far to rusty and after a few decent qualification games I just don't get the hype around him Lallana has looked twice the player bar his end product Saying that I've no faith in Roy never have never will, well done to Wales though with a fairly bang average side overall they play as a unit and team but with the new format finishing second could be a blessing in disguise Wales could potentially get a tougher draw looking at the groups. If we win on Monday we will likely play France who out of the "expected" sides Spain Germany and Italy I'd rather play them out of the "big four" Edited June 21, 2016 by EFC-Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Now I'm waiting for the after-match comments about England: only unbeaten team in the group, better to finish second because easier route next round, etc. etc. finishing second could be a blessing in disguise Wales could potentially get a tougher draw looking at the groups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Spain v Italy in the last sixteen! Who'd have predicted that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Spain v Italy in the last sixteen! Who'd have predicted that? was going to post. the shitty bracket system they have cause a knockout round "final". if you look at how they have it mapped out with 2nd places and 3rd places and who they play, there's no rhyme or reason to it. instead of highest seeded 3rd places to lowest, it's best 3rd place of these 3 groups makes this spot. what the F is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Because England and Spain didn't win their group, France, Germany, England, Spain and Italy are now all on the same side of the bracket. If Portugal don't win their group, they will join those 5 countries. (Belgium is on the other side of the bracket; losing to Italy might have been the best thing ever). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 You state it as if it's an excuse or something but it's potentially true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efc1111 Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 One plays for Manchester United, the other plays for plucky little, overachieving Everton. That's the problem.Plus Woy took Smalling from non-league to Fulham when he was manager there, and loves him like a proud Dad or Grandad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 I see Ibrahimovic is retiring after the Euro's. Judging by the way he's played so far he's already retired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 I see Ibrahimovic is retiring after the Euro's. Judging by the way he's played so far he's already retired. Swedish manager retiring as well after Euro 2016. What's the point of making this public now? Just wait til after you're out of the tournament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Swedish manager retiring as well after Euro 2016. What's the point of making this public now? Just wait til after you're out of the tournament. Ibrahimovic loves the attention so that'll be why he's announced it. Lowensda 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Italy are always winning Group E so they're probably not playing with their best players; they're all focusing on Spain already and I don't think they care much about their last game in Group E. If Ireland beat them tonight, Ireland will advance because at the very least Ireland will be one of the best third place teams. Could be a real chance for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Zoltan Geraaaaaaaaaaaaa! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Zoltan Geraaaaaaaaaaaaa! As it stands we get Iceland and Portugal go home; don't really care who we play but to see Ronaldo on his way would make me piss my pants laughing. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Zoltan Geraaaaaaaaaaaaa! Didn't realise he was 37, always liked him when he played in England, were we not linked at one stage? Checking it myself we were, at times between 06/08. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 As it stands we get Iceland and Portugal go home; don't really care who we play but to see Ronaldo on his way would make me piss my pants laughing. that's worth watching the game alone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Portugal defense is awful . Great game for the neutral. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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