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1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said:

except something did because kev mirallas apologized.  they have moved on and dealt with it internally so unsy is just sweeping it under the rug so they all can move on.

He apologised for getting frustrated. Not for walking out of training, which sounds like it didn’t even happen. 

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Not really. It’s u usual for a player to publicly apologise just because he gets frustrated. .... unless of course he is the only player to ever have got frustrated?

i think the fact he apologises suggest he felt a need to apologise for his actions, not for being frustrated. It may have been something as petty as kicking a water bottle in frustration or storming back to the changing room..... we may never know!

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27 minutes ago, Shukes said:

Not really. It’s u usual for a player to publicly apologise just because he gets frustrated. .... unless of course he is the only player to ever have got frustrated?

i think the fact he apologises suggest he felt a need to apologise for his actions, not for being frustrated. It may have been something as petty as kicking a water bottle in frustration or storming back to the changing room..... we may never know!

So you agree he didn’t apologise for walking out of training. Nice one! ;) 

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Its possible Mirralles stormed out of training and Schneiderlin followed him to maybe sort him out, rather than storming out.

 

This would explain the story about both leaving the training pitch and also explain the reason Mirralles apologised and Schneiderlin has not (and should not).

 

We will never really know.

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2 minutes ago, markiediow said:

Its possible Mirralles stormed out of training and Schneiderlin followed him to maybe sort him out, rather than storming out.

 

This would explain the story about both leaving the training pitch and also explain the reason Mirralles apologised and Schneiderlin has not (and should not).

 

We will never really know.

Some good speculation here, but we'll probably never know.

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Whether or not the reported incident is true, I don’t want to see Schneiderlin anywhere near the first team until his attitude changes. His recent performances, and especially the red card incident, betray a “couldn’t care less” attitude. That must change. 

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Simplest way of interpreting this situation is that unsworth had plenty of opportunities to dismiss the incident up till yesterday. He didn't.

Schneiderlin has been piss poor in attitude and performance. So too has mirallas... plus a few others btw. 

Unsworth used yesterday to put the matter to bed - nothing else.  Somehow people believe that if a manager denies something then it didn't happen.... sometimes that may be the case but more often it' political.

All I know is I expect to see 11 players out There with the same attitude as niasse, davies or dcl.  Too many passengers amongst our supposed elite players. 

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Simplest way of interpreting this situation is that unsworth had plenty of opportunities to dismiss the incident up till yesterday. He didn't.
Schneiderlin has been piss poor in attitude and performance. So too has mirallas... plus a few others btw. 
Unsworth used yesterday to put the matter to bed - nothing else.  Somehow people believe that if a manager denies something then it didn't happen.... sometimes that may be the case but more often it' political.
All I know is I expect to see 11 players out There with the same attitude as niasse, davies or dcl.  Too many passengers amongst our supposed elite players. 

That’s the way I read it as well . Unsworth just trying to put the matter to bed, Schneiderlin’s performances of late are speaking volumes
Hats off to peteO , not sure whether he’s cried this in or whether he was right all along!


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Our most overrated player for years. Came with a big reputation and has never had the ability or desire to live up to it. Even when he looked a better player, it was largely because we were so desperate for some light. 

I dont know what it is with this guy, but he just doesn’t seem to have the heart for it. 

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32 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:


That’s the way I read it as well . Unsworth just trying to put the matter to bed, Schneiderlin’s performances of late are speaking volumes
Hats off to peteO , not sure whether he’s cried this in or whether he was right all along!

 

Cheers Dunc, broken clock and all that.

Would rather have been proven wrong, but he's had enough chances now and hopefully we won't see much more of him going forward. 

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Just now, pete0 said:

Cheers Dunc, broken clock and all that.

Would rather have been proven wrong, but he's had enough chances now and hopefully we won't see much more of him going forward. 

He’s never been forward, he would get a nosebleed and take the rest of the match to get back!

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16 minutes ago, Shukes said:

Our most overrated player for years. Came with a big reputation and has never had the ability or desire to live up to it. Even when he looked a better player, it was largely because we were so desperate for some light. 

I dont know what it is with this guy, but he just doesn’t seem to have the heart for it. 

I just can't understand why he is still playing. Remember what Vinny Sam ways was like when he came to us? Utterly disinterested and fucking awful? Reminds me of him. I read someone post 'he needs to be in a team that keeps the ball'. Well I look forward to Man City or Barca coming in for him in January then! 

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I just can't understand why he is still playing. Remember what Vinny Sam ways was like when he came to us? Utterly disinterested and fucking awful? Reminds me of him. I read someone post 'he needs to be in a team that keeps the ball'. Well I look forward to Man City or Barca coming in for him in January then! 

He looked like a Rolls Royce of a player last year but based on this season the Vinny Samways comparisons are not wide of the mark


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Just now, duncanmckenzieismagic said:


He looked like a Rolls Royce of a player last year but based on this season the Vinny Samways comparisons are not wide of the mark

 

One of those beat up Rolls Royce that top gear drive to Russia on £250?

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2 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:


He looked like a Rolls Royce of a player last year but based on this season the Vinny Samways comparisons are not wide of the mark

 

To me it has to be mental with him, not up for the fight. 

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1 hour ago, Paddock said:

Unsworth said he went off as he was injured- needed injections in his toe to play which makes his selection even more bizarre.

Jesus - why? 

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31 minutes ago, nogs said:

Jesus - why? 

 

Maybe I never made that clear- he needed injections to start the game not at half time if you realised I meant that then-

Because why risk an injured player like that especially one who is massively out of form when he has Davies or the lad from the ezzies to play there.

Schneiderlin has been awaful, if he needs injections to play and there’s players to cover, why on earth would you a) risk him getting injured more and b ) expect him to get back in form when he’s not 100%.

 

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11 minutes ago, Paddock said:

 

Maybe I never made that clear- he needed injections to start the game not at half time if you realised I meant that then-

Because why risk an injured player like that especially one who is massively out of form when he has Davies or the lad from the ezzies to play there.

Schneiderlin has been awaful, if he needs injections to play and there’s players to cover, why on earth would you a) risk him getting injured more and b ) expect him to get back in form when he’s not 100%.

 

Yeah that's what I thought you meant. He shouldn't be in the 11 fit, nevermind with a knackered toe! 

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1 minute ago, nogs said:

Yeah that's what I thought you meant. He shouldn't be in the 11 fit, nevermind with a knackered toe! 

Exactly yet he picks him and this is the type of thing that worries me with Unsworth- he shouldn’t of started regardless but to start him when he needed injections to play just makes an all round bad situation worse.

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Loads of players play with pain/steroid injections. It's been common practice for years upon years.

As for his form, I thought he was quality when he came in last season. The standard was clear to see. Based on how the team is doing this season, it' hard to judge a player fairly at the moment.

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7 minutes ago, Newty82 said:

Loads of players play with pain/steroid injections. It's been common practice for years upon years.

As for his form, I thought he was quality when he came in last season. The standard was clear to see. Based on how the team is doing this season, it' hard to judge a player fairly at the moment.

Course they do but why risk him if there’s no need to. If he was our only striker or had been playing out his skin I could understand it but if he’s not fit AND out of form, why do it. If he’s struggling anyway he’s hardly going to find his form at 80% fit is he.

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12 minutes ago, Paddock said:

Course they do but why risk him if there’s no need to. If he was our only striker or had been playing out his skin I could understand it but if he’s not fit AND out of form, why do it. If he’s struggling anyway he’s hardly going to find his form at 80% fit is he.

True.

The only thing I can think of when things like this happen is that they must be showing something in training to be getting picked. Something more than others in the same position.

I dunno. I give up second guessing Everton at the moment!!!

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6 minutes ago, Newty82 said:

True.

The only thing I can think of when things like this happen is that they must be showing something in training to be getting picked. Something more than others in the same position.

I dunno. I give up second guessing Everton at the moment!!!

I wonder if it was maybe an opportunity for redemption after the things that have been going on in the press. Plus I guess he was one of the only players to be away on international break?

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8 minutes ago, StevO said:

Maybe Unsworth wants to rush him back because in form or not he’s still our best midfielder?

If that's the case we're fucked. And on the basis of form over the past three months, it is also blatantly not true. 

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9 minutes ago, StevO said:

Maybe Unsworth wants to rush him back because in form or not he’s still our best midfielder?

I thought he was doing alright in the first half in between Siggy and Gueye. When I say alright, that is in comparison to the rest of the team not compared to the level of performance he should be showing.

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1 minute ago, nogs said:

If that's the case we're fucked. And on the basis of form over the past three months, it is also blatantly not true. 

Nogs, I said “in form or not” which implies if he is in form or if he is not in form. I didn’t say he is playing well. 

But when th competition for places in midfield is McCarthy (injured), Davies (also out of form), Besic (not good enough) and Beni (just a kid who doesn’t need that pressure yet), maybe Unsworth thinks Morgan is the best option? I know I do. 

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1 minute ago, Bailey said:

I thought he was doing alright in the first half in between Siggy and Gueye. When I say alright, that is in comparison to the rest of the team not compared to the level of performance he should be showing.

Exactly, I agree with that. We know he can be so much better than he has been this season, we saw th standard he set last year. But he won’t get to that standard if he's sat on the couch at home. 

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3 hours ago, StevO said:

Exactly, I agree with that. We know he can be so much better than he has been this season, we saw th standard he set last year. But he won’t get to that standard if he's sat on the couch at home. 

I don't agree at all. You can put up with a player having a few games when they are below par. When it turns into months, they should not be playing. I don't even think it's a case of him being out of form, I don't think his heart is in it. He is making individual errors, his work rate is poor, and when he is on the pitch, we play badly. I'm not singling him out by the way, I think the same can be said for several of our squad. But he keeps getting picked. And if you keep picking badly out of form players, you set yourself to lose. If he wants to prove he can do better, he should be doing it in the U23s now, he's had every chance in the first team and has still been shite. 

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39 minutes ago, nogs said:

I don't agree at all. You can put up with a player having a few games when they are below par. When it turns into months, they should not be playing. I don't even think it's a case of him being out of form, I don't think his heart is in it. He is making individual errors, his work rate is poor, and when he is on the pitch, we play badly. I'm not singling him out by the way, I think the same can be said for several of our squad. But he keeps getting picked. And if you keep picking badly out of form players, you set yourself to lose. If he wants to prove he can do better, he should be doing it in the U23s now, he's had every chance in the first team and has still been shite. 

The problem, of course Nogs, is that if you apply this rule to Morgan, you must do to the others too. Then who do you pick? Because most of our team is out of form and/or playing below par.

I suppose if you are the manager, you still feel inclined to pick your better players.

It's a tough one. He must be showing that his heart is in it in training. Unsworth wouldn't pick him if he wasn't trying.

Like 7 or 8 players at the moment, he needs to find his mojo. So do you drop them all or just keep plugging away hoping that it will click?

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Just now, Newty82 said:

The problem, of course Nogs, is that if you apply this rule to Morgan, you must do to the others too. Then who do you pick? Because most of our team is out of form and/or playing below par.

I suppose if you are the manager, you still feel inclined to pick your better players.

It's a tough one. He must be showing that his heart is in it in training. Unsworth wouldn't pick him if he wasn't trying.

Like 7 or 8 players at the moment, he needs to find his mojo. So do you drop them all or just keep plugging away hoping that it will click?

Exactly Newts. We need to understand why they aren' performing first. Morgan doesn' appear to be the heartiest, maybe he just doesn' like a scrap but then again he has come from league 1 so I don' see how that can be.

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3 minutes ago, Bailey said:

Exactly Newts. We need to understand why they aren' performing first. Morgan doesn' appear to be the heartiest, maybe he just doesn' like a scrap but then again he has come from league 1 so I don' see how that can be.

He maybe isn't the best option when you are needing a scrap to get results. To me, he seems to have quite a laidback, calm style of play.

Like I've said before, it's hard to judge any player at the moment.

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16 hours ago, nogs said:

I don't agree at all. You can put up with a player having a few games when they are below par. When it turns into months, they should not be playing. I don't even think it's a case of him being out of form, I don't think his heart is in it. He is making individual errors, his work rate is poor, and when he is on the pitch, we play badly. I'm not singling him out by the way, I think the same can be said for several of our squad. But he keeps getting picked. And if you keep picking badly out of form players, you set yourself to lose. If he wants to prove he can do better, he should be doing it in the U23s now, he's had every chance in the first team and has still been shite. 

We are picking 11 players out of form though. Hence why we see a different 11 every game. No one is playing well. But this is a player who has played at a consistently high level for about for years prior to this season. I don’t think many of our other have been at that level for as long. 

Williams has been terrible, even Baines (I hate to say it) has been a shadow of himself, Keane has been poor, Davies has struggled, Gana hasn’t been at his best, none of our forward players have been good at all apart from probably Niasse and flashes of Rooney. 

I don’t see why Morgan is getting singled out when the rest have been shite too. Because of an off the field issue? They happen all the time, we just don’t hear about them. 

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15 hours ago, Newty82 said:

The problem, of course Nogs, is that if you apply this rule to Morgan, you must do to the others too. Then who do you pick? Because most of our team is out of form and/or playing below par.

I suppose if you are the manager, you still feel inclined to pick your better players.

It's a tough one. He must be showing that his heart is in it in training. Unsworth wouldn't pick him if he wasn't trying.

Like 7 or 8 players at the moment, he needs to find his mojo. So do you drop them all or just keep plugging away hoping that it will click?

Hah that’s what I meant. 

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15 hours ago, Newty82 said:

He maybe isn't the best option when you are needing a scrap to get results. To me, he seems to have quite a laidback, calm style of play.

Like I've said before, it's hard to judge any player at the moment.

I think his calm style of play is what we need though. I see too much panic when the ball gets anywhere near our defence. Calm is a positive for me. 

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1 hour ago, StevO said:

We are picking 11 players out of form though. Hence why we see a different 11 every game. No one is playing well. But this is a player who has played at a consistently high level for about for years prior to this season. I don’t think many of our other have been at that level for as long. 

Williams has been terrible, even Baines (I hate to say it) has been a shadow of himself, Keane has been poor, Davies has struggled, Gana hasn’t been at his best, none of our forward players have been good at all apart from probably Niasse and flashes of Rooney. 

I don’t see why Morgan is getting singled out when the rest have been shite too. Because of an off the field issue? They happen all the time, we just don’t hear about them. 

Nothing to do with the off the field stuff for me. Before that, I thought he stood out as one of our worst performers so far, alongside Klaasen, Williams Sigurdsson, Martina and Keane. I've seen nothing from him so far to change my mind. 

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That’s fair enough mate. We all see what we see and make our opinions based on that. For me he’s not been at his own high standards but he’s not the worst. 

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2 hours ago, Bill said:

Have to agree with Steve, you can't single one out when they have all been poor.

I'm not, I'm singling out 6. With Holgate, Jags, Gana not too far behind ;)

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5 hours ago, nogs said:

Decent article. Shows again how wrong-headed our summer recruitment was. It mentions Rooney, Klaasen and Sigurdsson as players who need people in front of them to pass to - so what exactly was the thinking?? 

Did you also notice how 'he who only passes sideways or backwards' Gana is the outfield player with the most passes into the final 3rd? Interesting.

Also, shocking how Pickford is the player who, by far, has the most passes into the final 3rd. Maybe we should be trying more to play it from the back instead of allowing the GK to hoof it up to the non existent big lads up top?!

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35 minutes ago, Newty82 said:

Did you also notice how 'he who only passes sideways or backwards' Gana is the outfield player with the most passes into the final 3rd? Interesting.

Also, shocking how Pickford is the player who, by far, has the most passes into the final 3rd. Maybe we should be trying more to play it from the back instead of allowing the GK to hoof it up to the non existent big lads up top?!

4 out of 5 unsuccessful! 

 

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