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9 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

It was a very cool finish. Probably good that he didn't have long to think about what he was going to do.

Left foot as well. Too many times he has run around the ball to try and dink with the outside of his right 

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On 28/10/2019 at 08:35, Btay said:

Took his goal well to be honest. Snuck under the radar a bit this year but 10 games 5 goals @ a goal every 120 minutes... 

One of them was 90% over the line to start with, 2 against a lower league side and the one at the weekend, whilst an excellent run and good technique on his weak foot, was poor from the keeper. 

I think he has had less impact than last season if I am honest and I have been disappointed with him, albeit as I have been with the lot of them. 

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2 hours ago, Bailey said:

One of them was 90% over the line to start with, 2 against a lower league side and the one at the weekend, whilst an excellent run and good technique on his weak foot, was poor from the keeper. 

I think he has had less impact than last season if I am honest and I have been disappointed with him, albeit as I have been with the lot of them. 

If he gets 15 goals this season at the expense of him looking a bit better I'd take it. 

He has had the best run of goals I can remembering him having and shouldn't have been dropped for the game at Brighton. More nonsensical actions by Silva. 

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1 minute ago, Aidan said:

If he gets 15 goals this season at the expense of him looking a bit better I'd take it. 

He has had the best run of goals I can remembering him having and shouldn't have been dropped for the game at Brighton. More nonsensical actions by Silva. 

Yeh I kind of agree but he has only scored 2 in the league. If he gets 13 more in the league I am with yer. 

As for being dropped, it was the West Ham game where Richarlison played well so I understand him sticking with that team for Brighton.

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2 minutes ago, Bailey said:

Yeh I kind of agree but he has only scored 2 in the league. If he gets 13 more in the league I am with yer. 

As for being dropped, it was the West Ham game where Richarlison played well so I understand him sticking with that team for Brighton.

Don't sell him short he has 3! In 6 starts + 2 subs he's managed a goal around every 180 minutes. 

That's an improvement... So far! 

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8 hours ago, Aidan said:

 

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Love that he got 2, I really want to see him finishing that first chance though. That’s a strikers bread and butter and although his goals have improved he needs to keep working on his finishing. There’s a player in there.

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On 12/12/2019 at 21:25, Aidan said:

 

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This needs to be put into some context.

1. He scored a goal that was half way over the line already.

2. He had a monster game last weekend.

If you take out those points which I am sure everyone would agree are anomalies the stats change to:

Shots: 2.2

Shot Conversion: 13%

Aerial Duels: 6.0

xG: 0.39 (this drops to 0.28 if you only include games he started).

I can't easily enough find the touches in the box but I expect it would be a similar pattern.

 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Bailey said:

This needs to be put into some context.

1. He scored a goal that was half way over the line already.

2. He had a monster game last weekend.

If you take out those points which I am sure everyone would agree are anomalies the stats change to:

Shots: 2.2

Shot Conversion: 13%

Aerial Duels: 6.0

xG: 0.39 (this drops to 0.28 if you only include games he started).

I can't easily enough find the touches in the box but I expect it would be a similar pattern.

 

 

 

The only context that matters is that we played Chelsea last weekend, beat them 3-1 and DCL scored twice after having a brilliant game. The Chelsea game did actually happen, it doesn't just disappear. Just like his poor games won't that will lower any statistics over the season.

Why do you have such an aversion to giving anything any credit? (Unless it's our opposition). 

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I think Bailey on this occasion is just tempering people’s expectations of DCL as he did state he had a monster game last week. I always love DCLs commitment and effort but am far from convinced about him being our long term solution. I also would like to see Kean get some more playing time even if it was a consistent 20 mins at the end of game (if the game allows).

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1 hour ago, Bailey said:

This needs to be put into some context.

1. He scored a goal that was half way over the line already.

2. He had a monster game last weekend.

If you take out those points which I am sure everyone would agree are anomalies the stats change to:

Shots: 2.2

Shot Conversion: 13%

Aerial Duels: 6.0

xG: 0.39 (this drops to 0.28 if you only include games he started).

I can't easily enough find the touches in the box but I expect it would be a similar pattern.

 

 

 

Or we could support our player and not try to devalue him in any way possible. I don’t think anyone here thinks he is a world beater. 
But at the same time, many can see that he is simply progressing each year, getting better each year. 
 

Didn't Tosun score a goal the other week, that DCL was right in position to score? Wasn’t it the same for Richarlisons goal? 
So in the same respect... doesn’t that mean his stats could possibly be even better?

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If DCL had any sort of natural finishing ability, he'd easily be a top 5 forward.

However, if he had any natural finishing ability, then he likely wouldn't have the off ball talent/work ethic he has (and still be playing for Everton).

We can only hope that he keeps developing the goal scoring ability and becomes the Gem we need, since his trajectory has undeniably been up.

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44 minutes ago, Shukes said:

Can we do the same with Kean to make it fair and subjective?

If we did, we would be saying Kean is an absolute flop. Tosun isn’t fit to be in the English northern premier. 

I’d rather support them all! 😉

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16 minutes ago, barryj said:

I’d rather support them all! 😉

Exactly mate. Let them grow and improve with us. Every player doesn’t have to be world class by the time they are 25. If they can steadily improve and hit a few extra goals each year, then great. 
 

We don’t have to buy success, we can grow talent and nurture them.

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4 hours ago, Shukes said:

Exactly mate. Let them grow and improve with us. Every player doesn’t have to be world class by the time they are 25. If they can steadily improve and hit a few extra goals each year, then great. 
 

We don’t have to buy success, we can grow talent and nurture them.

When he said all, I think that includes those over 25 as well😉, but you are right players generally thrive if they are supported. 

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15 minutes ago, Palfy said:

When he said all, I think that includes those over 25 as well😉, but you are right players generally thrive if they are supported. 

It’s true mate. The moment Kean puts one away the stadium is going to erupt. When that happens, that lad will take off. Once you hear that Goodison roar, your home for life.

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29 minutes ago, Shukes said:

It’s true mate. The moment Kean puts one away the stadium is going to erupt. When that happens, that lad will take off. Once you hear that Goodison roar, your home for life.

I’m really looking forward to him scoring as I’ve just got a real gut feeling hes going to be immense and he just needs that first goal to feel like he’s part of the club. 

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55 minutes ago, barryj said:

I’m really looking forward to him scoring as I’ve just got a real gut feeling hes going to be immense and he just needs that first goal to feel like he’s part of the club. 

I was so willing that shot against the shite to go in. Would have made it 3-4 and he would have been on fire.

Its coming. Won’t be long before he’s off the mark.

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12 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

The only context that matters is that we played Chelsea last weekend, beat them 3-1 and DCL scored twice after having a brilliant game. The Chelsea game did actually happen, it doesn't just disappear. Just like his poor games won't that will lower any statistics over the season.

Why do you have such an aversion to giving anything any credit? (Unless it's our opposition). 

The stats were comparing the past two seasons to what has happened this season. I am just giving a bit more context to those stats because without context they mean little especially when you are comparing less than half a season against 2 full seasons. At the end of the season those ups and downs will even themselves out, but at the moment they will skew the picture. 

I also don't know why you don't think I have given him credit seeing as I said he played really well last week both in the thread and inside the very post you quoted.

11 hours ago, Shukes said:

Or we could support our player and not try to devalue him in any way possible. I don’t think anyone here thinks he is a world beater. 
But at the same time, many can see that he is simply progressing each year, getting better each year. 
 

Didn't Tosun score a goal the other week, that DCL was right in position to score? Wasn’t it the same for Richarlisons goal? 
So in the same respect... doesn’t that mean his stats could possibly be even better?

I'm not devaluing him and I am just trying to bring more context to the stats given especially given that they cover different periods of time as I mentioned above.

Personally I haven't seen a lot of improvement but as last weekend showed, we haven't exactly been playing to his strengths as much as we could, so hopefully we will continue to see him grow.

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So you can admit that if Tosun and Richarlison hasn’t taken those chances in front of him he may have two more goals, and his stats may well be even better.

The stats are skewed due to those two incidents, I agree.

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1 hour ago, Shukes said:

So you can admit that if Tosun and Richarlison hasn’t taken those chances in front of him he may have two more goals, and his stats may well be even better.

The stats are skewed due to those two incidents, I agree.

Come on Shukes you can say that about anything. You don't know what would have happened. You can guess but you don't know for sure. It's like saying if the defender hadn't been in the way then it would have been an assist or if the keeper hadn't saved it then it would have been a goal. 

I didn't post the original post about the stats, I just provided reasons as to why they will be skewed at this stage of the season. At the end of the season, we will have a much clearer picture to compare him on.

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1 hour ago, Bailey said:

Come on Shukes you can say that about anything. You don't know what would have happened. You can guess but you don't know for sure. It's like saying if the defender hadn't been in the way then it would have been an assist or if the keeper hadn't saved it then it would have been a goal. 

I didn't post the original post about the stats, I just provided reasons as to why they will be skewed at this stage of the season. At the end of the season, we will have a much clearer picture to compare him on.

Exactly you can’t have to suit your agenda that which never happened. 

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Are we back to the cherry picking and selective use of stats to support an opinion of a player?

For me our club has had identity problems going back a few years now.  Anyone who hasn't watched "howards way" needs to....  our club wins trophies when we have 11 passionate players pulling together and no passengers. 

We were the best team I've seen us be in 1985 with Sharp and Gray - 2 traditional number 9s. Then we bought lineker - a pure goalscorer and we failed (maybe losing Big Nev was the reason but we had all our eggs in the lineker basket).   

We tried with Coffee, another finisher but ultimately self centred player and won nothing....  then in 1995 we won the FA cup with rideout and big Dunc. 

Since then we operated in the bargain basement but looked more of a team with a Marcus Bent type striker.  We had a goalscorer in Lukaku but ultimately that's all he was.

We are where we are now... we have DCL, Tosun, Niasse, and Kean.....  DCL is by far the best athlete and looks a perfect strike partner for a finisher.  Let's see how he does, the Chelsea game was a great performance to build from. 

 

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3 hours ago, Bailey said:

Come on Shukes you can say that about anything. You don't know what would have happened. You can guess but you don't know for sure. It's like saying if the defender hadn't been in the way then it would have been an assist or if the keeper hadn't saved it then it would have been a goal. 

I didn't post the original post about the stats, I just provided reasons as to why they will be skewed at this stage of the season. At the end of the season, we will have a much clearer picture to compare him on.

I know mate, I’m just fishing haha 😉

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2 hours ago, Palfy said:

Exactly you can’t have to suit your agenda that which never happened. 

I agree to an extent, but last week was not skewed at all, DCL did that all on his own. It wasn’t luck, or the ball hitting him and going in, it was all down to him. 
 

So what I’m saying is it’s not fair to skew facts to suit your agenda. DCL scores two last week and deserved them. DCL scores a goal that was virtually over the line, but it was still his. ( remember Lukaku cough ). If a striker doesn’t go for that and it bounces on the line and spins out, we crucify him.

Its a game of fine margins and you have to be subjective, or you will get people like me calling you out on it. 

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Just now, Bailey said:

Consider me reeled in! 😂

Haha hard to get you to vote too. 
Now Palfy on the other hand, just sees an empty net and jumps in!

Wheres Paddock when you need him. He used to bite like a shark! 

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1 minute ago, Shukes said:

Haha hard to get you to vote too. 
Now Palfy on the other hand, just sees an empty net and jumps in!

Wheres Paddock when you need him. He used to bite like a shark! 

So what you are saying is that in respect of this site, I am the frigid one, Palfy is the tease and Paddock is the slag :)

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Just now, Shukes said:

I agree to an extent, but last week was not skewed at all, DCL did that all on his own. It wasn’t luck, or the ball hitting him and going in, it was all down to him. 
 

So what I’m saying is it’s not fair to skew facts to suit your agenda. DCL scores two last week and deserved them. DCL scores a goal that was virtually over the line, but it was still his. ( remember Lukaku cough ). If a striker doesn’t go for that and it bounces on the line and spins out, we crucify him.

Its a game of fine margins and you have to be subjective, or you will get people like me calling you out on it. 

I don’t really pay to much attention to stats but if your a forward or keeper for that matter goals are always going to be your friend or enemy. 
For DCL he was my motm last week not just for the goals but for the 2nd half, it was the best 45 minutes I have ever witnessed from him, and I didn’t need stats to tell me that, and hopefully that game was his coming of age game, and gives him the confidence all strikers need in front of goal, because he’s got everything else in his arsenal. 

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2 hours ago, Palfy said:

I don’t really pay to much attention to stats but if your a forward or keeper for that matter goals are always going to be your friend or enemy. 
For DCL he was my motm last week not just for the goals but for the 2nd half, it was the best 45 minutes I have ever witnessed from him, and I didn’t need stats to tell me that, and hopefully that game was his coming of age game, and gives him the confidence all strikers need in front of goal, because he’s got everything else in his arsenal. 

Well that just took my thunder. 
prefer it when you argue haha.

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Really put himself about chasing, harassing, and bullying the Man Utd defence all game today. Got back into our area to make clearances, and ends the game doing a job in midfield. Not bad for the few shillings we paid for the lad.

 

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Great to see so many speak highly of Dom's performance today.

Ferguson obviously has a very close relationship with him, and seems to be allowing the team to play around his strengths.

Amazing what giving him a partner to play with is doing for him at the minute. We've proved that we look like a dangerous team when the opposition gives us space - the real test now is how we can break teams down who look to limit that space in behind - and it will be intersting to see how DF plans on doing this if he is still around for those games.

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51 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

Fantastic performance today , again , who would have thought he was perfectly suited to a 4-4-2 ? 🤷🏻‍♂️

Anyone who understands football 😉

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Thought he was great again today, there were a couple of times the Utd defenders were whinging about him and his presence ( ie hitting them like a good CF should and letting them know they have a game on their hands ) 

The lad is only going to improve and be a key player for us 

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16 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

It is utterly ridiculous the amount of headers he wins.

He's a player I really want to do well. He never puts anything less than 100% in and he comes across as someone that genuinely realises how lucky he is to be playing for Everton and wants to repay the faith shown in him. 

To put it into context DCL has won the 2nd most headers in the Premier league for a CF this season per 90 minutes (for those who have played 10+ games), second to Haller of WHU.

DCL 6.8 won -  8.2 lost

Haller 7.3 won - 8.2 lost

Also worth a mention that Haller is 3cm taller than DCL, and for what it's worth is also 3 years older. Interestingly, they both have 5 league goals, although Haller has played a substanital 460 minutes more than DCL.

The 3rd best in the air is Joelinton at 6.6 won - 7.9 lost, and the less said about him the better.

After that the stats drop down to less than 4.3 won a game - so these 3 are clearly the most dominant striekrs in the air in the league, and/or have teams who aim to set up to play the long ball to the striker.

He has always been good in the air, even as a 20 year old lad he was battling experienced premier league CBs and dominating them. As of late has upped his work rate and determination even more than it was - all he needs to do now is work on his finishing and his positioning, but he still has a long way to go.

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54 minutes ago, Aidan said:

To put it into context DCL has won the 2nd most headers in the Premier league for a CF this season per 90 minutes (for those who have played 10+ games), second to Haller of WHU.

DCL 6.8 won -  8.2 lost

Haller 7.3 won - 8.2 lost

Also worth a mention that Haller is 3cm taller than DCL, and for what it's worth is also 3 years older. Interestingly, they both have 5 league goals, although Haller has played a substanital 460 minutes more than DCL.

The 3rd best in the air is Joelinton at 6.6 won - 7.9 lost, and the less said about him the better.

After that the stats drop down to less than 4.3 won a game - so these 3 are clearly the most dominant striekrs in the air in the league, and/or have teams who aim to set up to play the long ball to the striker.

He has always been good in the air, even as a 20 year old lad he was battling experienced premier league CBs and dominating them. As of late has upped his work rate and determination even more than it was - all he needs to do now is work on his finishing and his positioning, but he still has a long way to go.

Impressive. But are you sure we can really count these statistics because DCL has longer hair than Haller, so he's got a slight advantage there for getting his head to the ball.

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41 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

Impressive. But are you sure we can really count these statistics because DCL has longer hair than Haller, so he's got a slight advantage there for getting his head to the ball.

I'm glad you pointed this out... I also think his studs were 2mm longer in one of those games so take that out as well 😉

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The thing that probably impresses me the most is how well he uses his body. Sometimes he doesn't actually challenge for the ball but he just holds off the defender so that he can turn or so that it can then go through to someone else. Richarlison isn't bad at it either. 

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You can we he works really hard on his conditioning. He’s in great shape and that reflects with the running he does. 
 

like others I was always frustrated with him as I just didn’t think he’d ever score enough goals. Long may his form continue.

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I’ve always praised his work rate and fight and always criticised his poor finishing and goals return, he may have turned the corner on the last 2 comments I hope he has only time will tell. 
But I will always maintain a striker will be judged on his goals, and we have this season been the worse team for goals scored from chances created, and that leads me to believe that if we had a better finisher we would probably have the league’s top scorer to date this season. 
I still want Ancelotti to bring that player in to make sure more of our chances are converted, because it’s the regular scoring of goals that wins you games not the most chances. 

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