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Davies was everywhere across the field, DC-L mostly stayed out wide.

But it's the mids job to defend that side, not forward. Like blaming rom for williams cock up, he's not there to defend.

 

Davies should have covered for baines

 

Also Pete I agree baines is done. Bench player next year bring in Robertson from hull when they drop.

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But it's the mids job to defend that side, not forward. Like blaming rom for williams cock up, he's not there to defend.

 

Davies should have covered for baines

 

Also Pete I agree baines is done. Bench player next year bring in Robertson from hull when they drop.

on paper we were 433, in reality it was 4123 with Ross and Tom having free roles.

 

I'm not having a go at him, it's his first game back after an injury against a side that scraps. He did well, when he had the ball. Off the all he didn't offer much of anything

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Baines was shocking other than a cracking pass to Rom he didn't do anything, never made any runs to give DCL space or options and just hugged the touch line. Reminded me a bit of Gary Neville at the end of his career. Second to everything.

Really??? I thought Baines was excellent today.

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Hardly noticed him other than his goal if I'm honest.

He ran the line in front of us you k ow Mark and he was excellent. Strong in the tackle, laced the full back a few times and was dragged back.

 

He done really well for me.

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He ran the line in front of us you k ow Mark and he was excellent. Strong in the tackle, laced the full back a few times and was dragged back.

He done really well for me.

Fair enough, Pad, he just didn't really get on my radar from our midfielders.

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DCL played as the left sided forward, it was his responsibility to cover the left back. Ross had the same job on the right.

Davies played centrally, in front of the other two midfielders.

 

Just saying.

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I'm with you on this Romey, thought the game passed him by

To be fair though he is playing out of position

 

 

 

 

 

Fair enough Dunc, as I've said, everyone sees it different, but he was right in front of us all first half and got a torrent of abuse off their full back and Markovic. He rolled him twice and was away and was dragged back, he was busy all half looking for the ball never shying away and scored a goal.

 

Thought he done well myself.

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Really??? I thought Baines was excellent today.

Completely agree. As good as he has ever been.

 

Baines can only get forward when he can trust that the player in front of him has clear control of the ball and won't give it away. With the players ahead of him this season he hasn't had that. I bet that if Barkley played left Baines would be more confident going forward.

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Got his first goal, pleased for him, also was impressed that he has some steel about him. Looks bigger than 5'7''.

 

He is so much bigger than that. It's funny you mention it. I was looking him up and the info said that height, along with being 142lbs, which is hard to believe. I'm 5'10" and roughly 160lbs. so I see his combo being a little counterintuitive. When you look at photos with him and Barkley celebrating you can see they're roughly the same height. Google tells me Barkley is 6'2". I think DCL's info is just old via Wikipedia or something because he's certainly taller and heavier than those numbers.

 

I'm excited for his future, he's impressed me thus far. Especially considering he came here in August.

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Played well today. Was always trying to beat his man and looks strong even though he's so skinny.

 

If he puts on some muscle mass; the right balance in order to maintain his speed and athleticism, he'll be really dangerous. I'm sure the physio staff is thinking the same thing. He still looks very much adolescent in the upper body, but his legs are pretty much filled out. He has the desire to scrap but once he has the tools he'll be even better.

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He is so much bigger than that. It's funny you mention it. I was looking him up and the info said that height, along with being 142lbs, which is hard to believe. I'm 5'10" and roughly 160lbs. so I see his combo being a little counterintuitive. When you look at photos with him and Barkley celebrating you can see they're roughly the same height. Google tells me Barkley is 6'2". I think DCL's info is just old via Wikipedia or something because he's certainly taller and heavier than those numbers.

 

I'm excited for his future, he's impressed me thus far. Especially considering he came here in August.

 

(Sir) Charles Barkley is 6'6'', Ross Barkly is barely 6 foot. Trust me. DCL dosn't look 5'7'', I'll get a second opinion on this.

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Barkley is around 6'2, there's a picture of him next to Benitez (5'9) when he was 14 and he's a good two inches taller at that age...

 

Lewin looks a similar height he towered over Jags in the interview after the game

 

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=dominic+calvert+lewin&biw=360&bih=253&prmd=nvi&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwji8YbC4OTSAhVnLMAKHa17DdwQ_AUICSgD#tbm=isch&q=calvert+lewin+barkley&*&imgrc=CaPfcTT9KynIBM:

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Really struggling to see what Koeman sees in him, totally baffles me ho he is starting above Mirallas

 

 

 

Agreed, he's one for the future I think.

 

Mirallas should have defo started today. He's a derby type plyer.

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Agreed, he's one for the future I think.

 

Mirallas should have defo started today. He's a derby type plyer.

I agree with you both. If you want to play two up top then yeh, but wide or in that half and half role like he was today then there is no way he should be starting ahead of Mirallas.

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Really struggling to see what Koeman sees in him, totally baffles me ho he is starting above Mirallas

 

 

 

I don't think he's a wide man. He puts a shift in but I think he plays more centrally pre senior team.

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Which makes it all the more baffling why he is keeping Mirallas out of the side

 

 

 

Basically, somehow, Mirrales has given successive managers a reason not to play him. The 2 managers are chalk n cheese...I'm afraid there has to be something in that. Might be a trust thing. Dunno.

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Managers don't seem to rate Mirralas for some reason.

 

Basically, somehow, Mirrales has given successive managers a reason not to play him. The 2 managers are chalk n cheese...I'm afraid there has to be something in that. Might be a trust thing. Dunno.

 

I just think managers are worried that fans can't spell his name right so they leave him on the bench to avoid tension.

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Basically, somehow, Mirrales has given successive managers a reason not to play him. The 2 managers are chalk n cheese...I'm afraid there has to be something in that. Might be a trust thing. Dunno.

Every 4th game he comes good. The first one is is completely missing, other 2 he's ok but nothing special, and 4th he looks amazing. Just think the managers want more consistency.

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Every 4th game he comes good. The first one is is completely missing, other 2 he's ok but nothing special, and 4th he looks amazing. Just think the managers want more consistency.

 

What consistency is he getting from DCL? Consistently not offering much beyond effort?

 

I'm just not seeing why he should be in the side at the moment. I don't watch him and think "there's a player to get excited about". I've been watching a player that gives his all but will ultimately lose the ball because he doesn't have the skill set or strength to play that position.

 

Now, that's not his fault, and I'm not blaming him for it, just making the observation.

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There were a few occasions yesterday when he turned out of a crowded box and came away with the ball.

He did ok.

He definitely shows signs of potential.

Has pace.

Can take a player on, as demonstrated yesterday.

He can also finish.

 

The manager can see all of this and with the effort he puts in, has decided he is a more justifiable player than Mirralas.

 

That said, a derby is not the right place to breed potential and Mirralas would have brought experience.

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I really respect Koeman's willingness to give young players a chance. What's the point of having the best U23 side in the country if it doesn't feed the first team? He has clearly seen something he likes in DCL and is giving him every chance. The hard thing for fans is you have to take the rough with the smooth with a policy of blooding youth. With hindsight, it didn't work yesterday, the kids weren't up to the challenge at Anfield and the set up didn't help either. But look, Williams, Jags, Baines and Barry aren't going to win us derbies in the future. Davies, DCL, Holgate, Pennington, Lookman, Kenny might. If they can learn from the experience and improve, there's a positive to take from an otherwise shoddy performance.

 

In the short term tho I'd say it's time to bench DCL for a few games and give Lookman another go.

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What consistency is he getting from DCL? Consistently not offering much beyond effort?

 

I'm just not seeing why he should be in the side at the moment. I don't watch him and think "there's a player to get excited about". I've been watching a player that gives his all but will ultimately lose the ball because he doesn't have the skill set or strength to play that position.

 

Now, that's not his fault, and I'm not blaming him for it, just making the observation.

 

i think he's frustrated and knows this is a "trial year" so to speak with a lot of the players, he seen what kev can do and isn't too impressed. put lookman in and he was alright for a couple and then found out he needed a little more work to be ready. he hasn't seen DCL yet. put him in and had a great game and goal just like lookman. thought i will stick with that. i fully expect after the downer of last match to see Mirallas or Lookman or someone else in there against united.

 

he's just getting acquanted with the new signings since DCL was injured.

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I really respect Koeman's willingness to give young players a chance. What's the point of having the best U23 side in the country if it doesn't feed the first team? He has clearly seen something he likes in DCL and is giving him every chance. The hard thing for fans is you have to take the rough with the smooth with a policy of blooding youth. With hindsight, it didn't work yesterday, the kids weren't up to the challenge at Anfield and the set up didn't help either. But look, Williams, Jags, Baines and Barry aren't going to win us derbies in the future. Davies, DCL, Holgate, Pennington, Lookman, Kenny might. If they can learn from the experience and improve, there's a positive to take from an otherwise shoddy performance.

 

In the short term tho I'd say it's time to bench DCL for a few games and give Lookman another go.

It's definitely a good thing that he gives our academy a chance but at the same time he owes it to the players to make sure he gives them the opportunity to perform.

 

DCL isn't a winger and playing Pennington in an unfamiliar system against one of the most attacking teams in the league and away from home isn't the way to do it. I don't think that is an unfair comment to make and it's not after timing as I mentioned it in the Funes Mori thread (I think it was that one).

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It's definitely a good thing that he gives our academy a chance but at the same time he owes it to the players to make sure he gives them the opportunity to perform.

DCL isn't a winger and playing Pennington in an unfamiliar system against one of the most attacking teams in the league and away from home isn't the way to do it. I don't think that is an unfair comment to make and it's not after timing as I mentioned it in the Funes Mori thread (I think it was that one).

I agree completely. I'm not a fan of 3-4-3, just because Chelsea have made it work I don't see why we have to copy. The team he put out at Anfield just looked imbalanced all over

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