EFC-Paul Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 18 minutes ago, pete0 said: Did he not blindly give the ball away in our half? Did he look lost when filling in at right back? In general is there anyone positionally worse than him? I couldn't name a single one. Did Palace give him much to do defensively? Once that I can remember and he isn'tt the only one nor will he be the last I can't remember him covering at right back tbh and if he did he's not going to be comfortable there it's not his natural position Sorry Pete that's nonsense the lads role isn'tt to stay static Infront of the back four it's to cover ground brake up play and intercept which he couldn't do as well as he does just shielding the defence They had their moments but they will always play down either side through either Zaha or Wan-Bissaka so those sides would naturally take the brunt of their forward play The lad has proven himself time and time again to be a massive asset to our side and there isn'tt many better at that role in this league MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 4 hours ago, pete0 said: Yesterday was good best performance. But he was still shit. Out of interest do the people who sit around you share your view? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 hour ago, pete0 said: Did he not blindly give the ball away in our half? Did he look lost when filling in at right back? In general is there anyone positionally worse than him? I couldn't name a single one. Did Palace give him much to do defensively? Yes, they did. For me he was our MOTM because of the way he got round the pitch putting in tackles and breaking play up. If you want to talk about giving the ball away, let's talk about the starting front four who I thought were poor on the ball. And this positional stuff you bang on about - I honestly have no idea what you are on about. I think someone else (Matt?) has said it, but you don't make more interceptions and tackles than anyone else on the pitch by being out of position! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, nogs said: Yes, they did. For me he was our MOTM because of the way he got round the pitch putting in tackles and breaking play up. If you want to talk about giving the ball away, let's talk about the starting front four who I thought were poor on the ball. And this positional stuff you bang on about - I honestly have no idea what you are on about. I think someone else (Matt?) has said it, but you don't make more interceptions and tackles than anyone else on the pitch by being out of position! If you did you'd have to change your name to something beginning with p. Most his takles a from behind or the side as he's out of position! Agree the front four were all guilty of losing the ball, but at least they're over the half way line. Shukes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, nogs said: Yes, they did. For me he was our MOTM because of the way he got round the pitch putting in tackles and breaking play up. If you want to talk about giving the ball away, let's talk about the starting front four who I thought were poor on the ball. And this positional stuff you bang on about - I honestly have no idea what you are on about. I think someone else (Matt?) has said it, but you don't make more interceptions and tackles than anyone else on the pitch by being out of position! He’s telekinetic! nogs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, pete0 said: If you did you'd have to change your name to something beginning with p. Most his takles a from behind or the side as he's out of position! Agree the front four were all guilty of losing the ball, but at least they're over the half way line. A) I don't think that are. If the majority of his tackles were from behind he'd be sent off every other game. b.) doesn't having the ability to chase down a player and win the ball just prove what his main attributes are, i.e. tenacity and energy? Bottom line is, no he's not a great ball playing midfielder. But when he plays like he did yesterday, I think he's an asset to the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 23 minutes ago, nogs said: A) I don't think that are. If the majority of his tackles were from behind he'd be sent off every other game. b.) doesn't having the ability to chase down a player and win the ball just prove what his main attributes are, i.e. tenacity and energy? Bottom line is, no he's not a great ball playing midfielder. But when he plays like he did yesterday, I think he's an asset to the team. I've never disputed his energy, I say he should be a runner not a footballer. I don't see what he added. If anything I thought Gomes showed exactly what we've been missing. Calm and controlled.. Other than when he got tackled by a ghost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 7 hours ago, Wiggytop said: Thought so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted October 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 9 hours ago, pete0 said: He switched off again and very easily could've cost us a goal. He covered for Coleman slotting in at right back but looked completely lost, genuinely never seen a football player with so little positional sense in my life. Palace played very little through the middle so Gana and Gomes were largely untroubled in the defensive side, most the balls were over their head or to the wing. When Palace went forward it was rare they committed players, they had come for a draw. Saying Gana was great yesterday is like praising the Keeper when they've not had a save to make. Easy day in the office. Not sure what to say about that to be honest ! Paddock 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 17 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: Not sure what to say about that to be honest ! "Wibble" would seem to be the best option. Paddock, Matt and nogs 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 9 hours ago, pete0 said: Did he not blindly give the ball away in our half? Did he look lost when filling in at right back? In general is there anyone positionally worse than him? I couldn't name a single one. Did Palace give him much to do defensively? 1. I think once yes.... les than every other single player, including Picks. 2. No 3. Richarlison played up front. Look at his position stats. 4. Yes, they have us a lot of problems. Hit the bar, had a penalty, another ripped onto the bar. Saha was a real handful. next? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 Pete.... is he still the worst player to wear an Everton shirt? Have recent performances maybe pushed him ahead of Stephen Hughes or Mitch Ward? Btw.... I'm not a psychologist but your stance on gomes was predictable. He wasn't overtly great enough to stand out. Did enough for his debut and showed some nice glimpses..... but you are backing that horse big time aren't you.... like you are super scout who's seen something no one else in football could see. If Gomes went a few notches higher and played man of the match type football you would be playing him down.... none the less gomes will now be lauded brilliant because you have said so and that's how it will remain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 The last two games have been against mediocre teams so it’s to be expected in my opinion for every player to shine,the acid test will be more next game for Gana I hope he comes through with flying colours and I’m sure that goes for every Evertonian but if he doesn’t don’t expect everyone to say nothing and pretend he was motm as we’ve witnessed in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 36 minutes ago, Palfy said: The last two games have been against mediocre teams so it’s to be expected in my opinion for every player to shine,the acid test will be more next game for Gana I hope he comes through with flying colours and I’m sure that goes for every Evertonian but if he doesn’t don’t expect everyone to say nothing and pretend he was motm as we’ve witnessed in the past. So why didn’t the others shine? Or are they not good enough to wear the shirt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 5 hours ago, Shukes said: 1. I think once yes.... les than every other single player, including Picks. 2. No 3. Richarlison played up front. Look at his position stats. 4. Yes, they have us a lot of problems. Hit the bar, had a penalty, another ripped onto the bar. Saha was a real handful. next? Blindly in their own half, every player? I only remember 2. One in the first half, unsure who, were the ball was played between the 2 centre halves and Coleman then sprinted to get there before a Palace player. The other was Gana, again. Does it ever match, he's a liability. 2. Looked like a lost school boy. 3. Richarlison is still learning but he's definitely got more sense than Gana. Seriously focus on how he occupies space defensively or even worse the positions he gets on going forward looks like he's hiding at times, he doesn't understand that he should move forward/backwards a yard or two to create space. He's got zero football awareness. 4. So three chances and the only handful was on the left mostly. Palace bypassed our midfield with long balls down the wings, very little to do defensively in the middle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 2 hours ago, hafnia said: Pete.... is he still the worst player to wear an Everton shirt? Have recent performances maybe pushed him ahead of Stephen Hughes or Mitch Ward? Btw.... I'm not a psychologist but your stance on gomes was predictable. He wasn't overtly great enough to stand out. Did enough for his debut and showed some nice glimpses..... but you are backing that horse big time aren't you.... like you are super scout who's seen something no one else in football could see. If Gomes went a few notches higher and played man of the match type football you would be playing him down.... none the less gomes will now be lauded brilliant because you have said so and that's how it will remain. By a mile for regular players any how. Can't remember watching those you've named. Grew up with average Joe's like Gemmill and Pembridge and I'd happily see them over him. Other than energy he offers nothing. Wow, projection is the first word that comes to mind in response of that bollocks you've just spouted. Tell me more about Lukaku, how we wouldn't get our money back on him. Hardly nailed my colours to the mast. I gave him motm as did a couple of others, so obviously he did do enough to stand out enough. Maybe if he gave away needless free kicks (because he's out of position) and ran a bit harder you'd like him. Yesterday I saw a player pick the ball up in midfield and drive the ball forward, something we've been crying out for. Palace made it easy being so defensive but that begs the question why Gana didn't do the same. He is terrified of the ball, can't wait to get rid. How many times he should just run forward 10 yards but passes it killing momentum is ludicrous, and those Phil Neville floaters need to do one as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 20 minutes ago, pete0 said: By a mile for regular players any how. Can't remember watching those you've named. Grew up with average Joe's like Gemmill and Pembridge and I'd happily see them over him. Other than energy he offers nothing. Wow, projection is the first word that comes to mind in response of that bollocks you've just spouted. Tell me more about Lukaku, how we wouldn't get our money back on him. Hardly nailed my colours to the mast. I gave him motm as did a couple of others, so obviously he did do enough to stand out enough. Maybe if he gave away needless free kicks (because he's out of position) and ran a bit harder you'd like him. Yesterday I saw a player pick the ball up in midfield and drive the ball forward, something we've been crying out for. Palace made it easy being so defensive but that begs the question why Gana didn't do the same. He is terrified of the ball, can't wait to get rid. How many times he should just run forward 10 yards but passes it killing momentum is ludicrous, and those Phil Neville floaters need to do one as well. To be honest Pete there is no response I can give to you that reduces your credibility any further than what you do to yourself. You are incapable of reviewing and correcting any of your ridiculous comments. It is quite frankly all about EGO. To try and justify your opinion you create lies.... you actually invent things that gana was at fault for. Why not just say "yeah I see what you all seem to like... the fact that he hunts for the ball and wins it back but I just don't like that type of player... I want more from him in a different way". That would be fine. You don't though.... you just create bullshit! If I took on your style of debate I would be disputing that lukaku never actually scored the goals he did.... that his goals were some form of freak occurrence due to something he did wrong, that it wasn't actually Rom, it was a lookalike that we bring in so it doesn't affect his image rights. No.... I've never disputed his goals. I've disputed who he doesn't score against and I've said his style of play and technical inefficiencies will mean he will never be considered a top striker. A clear difference between understanding facts and having an opinion. Scott fuckin gemmil??? Go and have a lie down ffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 1 minute ago, hafnia said: You are incapable of reviewing and correcting any of your ridiculous comments. It is quite frankly all about EGO. More projection. 1 minute ago, hafnia said: To try and justify your opinion you create lies.... you actually invent things that gana was at fault for. Even more from Mr Trump. Where have I lied? He carelessly gave the ball away did he not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hafnia Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 38 minutes ago, pete0 said: More projection. Even more from Mr Trump. Where have I lied? He carelessly gave the ball away did he not? Are you holding gueye responsible for having 100% pass completion, 100% dribble completion? Is there a way of conceding possession that isn'ttt careless? Or does careless only apply to idrissa? Do yourself a favour leave the pseudo political shit alone.you look like a 5 year old pretending to drive daddies car. Youve only just stopped saying straw man ffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Shukes said: So why didn’t the others shine? Or are they not good enough to wear the shirt? Wtf you on about you nutter have I mentioned any where in any post about wearing shirts ,to save you time the answer is no I fucking haven’t, believe me he’s not the super star you think he is in the scale of the best midfielders to play for Everton he would rank near the bottom not the top get a fucking grip man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pete0 Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 49 minutes ago, hafnia said: Are you holding gueye responsible for having 100% pass completion, 100% dribble completion? Is there a way of conceding possession that isn'ttttt careless? Or does careless only apply to idrissa? Do yourself a favour leave the pseudo political shit alone.you look like a 5 year old pretending to drive daddies car. Youve only just stopped saying straw man ffs Where have I said that? I'm not arsed about what the % completion is. If he lost the ball attempting decent passes forward I'd not be arsed one bit. What does bother me is lazily waiting for the ball to come to him or even worse the mindless passes to the opposition giving them a huge chance to create something/score. You used to moan Lukaku have the ball away up front too easily, how can you of all people defend a player who gifts the opposition a chance so easily every game. Pretty sure I said it to you last week. Any how looks like you've swapped the strawman (or is that what the dribbles question is about?) for projection. StevO, duncanmckenzieismagic, Matt and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 Pete, the more you post on this topic, the more I think you’re on the windup. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 I don’t think anyone has ever said he’s a superstar have they? What he is is a very good ball winning midfielder, a terrier if you like, tough tackling great engine- his job isn’t to hold his position it’s to hunt the ball down- that’s what he does. He’s full of running and stamina and can’t be held responsible everytime our forward line lose the ball and we’re caught on the break. He’s nowhere near world class but the unjust criticism here is laughable it really is- ranked near the bottom of the worst defenders ever to play for us? Fuck me people have short memories. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 15 minutes ago, Matt said: Pete, the more you post on this topic, the more I think you’re on the windup. I hope he is on the wind up.... sadly I just think he's full of shit. 92% pass completion and 10 tackles..... but was careless in possession. Haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 26 minutes ago, hafnia said: I hope he is on the wind up.... sadly I just think he's full of shit. 92% pass completion and 10 tackles..... but was careless in possession. Haha Im enjoying the irony of you arguing the point too aaron and StevO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 Just now, Matt said: Im enjoying the irony of you arguing the point too In no way is it comparable. My main criticisms of lukaku are justified right here in this thread. Take a read.... the evolution of the themes is hilarious http://www.redcafe.net/threads/we-will-never-win-the-league-with-lukaku-up-front.436163/ These Fans are people who see the need for a fellaini or herrera.... a certain midfielder for certain games. The way gana is for us. Lukaku is not a "certain type of game" specialist.... He is a specialist at playing better against poorer sides. Give it a read.... it's funny. Some are getting anxious at not being able to flog him on to newcastle for £50m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 1 hour ago, hafnia said: I hope he is on the wind up.... sadly I just think he's full of shit. 92% pass completion and 10 tackles..... but was careless in possession. Haha So as long as you have a good pass completion overall it doesn't matter if you gift the opposition every game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 40 minutes ago, hafnia said: In no way is it comparable. My main criticisms of lukaku are justified right here in this thread. Take a read.... the evolution of the themes is hilarious http://www.redcafe.net/threads/we-will-never-win-the-league-with-lukaku-up-front.436163/ These Fans are people who see the need for a fellaini or herrera.... a certain midfielder for certain games. The way gana is for us. Lukaku is not a "certain type of game" specialist.... He is a specialist at playing better against poorer sides. Give it a read.... it's funny. Some are getting anxious at not being able to flog him on to newcastle for £50m The fact you still can't see it only provides further proof for my point mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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