Matt Tiger Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 And believe what you want, ssn obviously the better source, I still wouldn't get an outright 2 year deal. Need options for more at least. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 this lad captained gareth bale - a superstar. He will not flinch at barking at barkley, Gerry or lukaku  by all accounts he is a very good passer too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_E Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Â distin relied on pace which he had buckets of. Williams has far more to his game, very vocal, strong in the air and the tackle, reads the game very well and makes very little mistakes. Â Not disputing any of that, but I don't see how that guarantees he'll play well into his thirties? What if whatever pace he does have goes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Get him in, give him Stones number five shirt, him and Mori at the back on Saturday. Then onto the next one please..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Â Not disputing any of that, but I don't see how that guarantees he'll play well into his thirties? What if whatever pace he does have goes? Â clever defenders don't always need the pace - he is very clever. Distin needed his because he was a bit prone to errors. Â You can always compliment a slower defender with a quicker one. Hansen for example was not quick at all - he had lawrenson for that. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jofanon Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Â stones was sold weeks ago IMO - we never announced it because Swansea would have upped the price - the same with Kone more than likely. Â So you don't think we are selling to buy? Hope not! Â If what you are saying is true then it sounds like we've also acquired some business acumen! Funny that when you bring in a billionaire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_E Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Â clever defenders don't always need the pace - he is very clever. Distin needed his because he was a bit prone to errors. Â You can always compliment a slower defender with a quicker one. Hansen for example was not quick at all - he had lawrenson for that. Â Everyone needs some pace (Leon Osman was a clever player, he was a liability on the pitch the last couple of seasons regardless), defenders aren't an exception to that. And Distin indeed needed his pace to be a positive and he was exceptional in that he kept his pace far longer than most other players do, but he's also exceptional in that he simply played far longer than most players do. Not everyone plays at a Premier League level until they're 38. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Â So you don't think we are selling to buy? Hope not! Â If what you are saying is true then it sounds like we've also acquired some business acumen! Funny that when you bring in a billionaire. For the most part, we've always been good at and professional with transfers, both in and out (bar some obvious examples). This window is just going "typical Everton" for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted August 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Well happy about this. Selling Stones and getting Williams plus 35 mil is fantastic Cornish Steve and Elston Gunnn 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_E Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 (edited) Well happy about this. Selling Stones and getting Williams plus 35 mil is fantastic  Wait until the 2018-19 season when Williams is backing up whoever we have starting at centre back then and we've spent the 35m on Idrissa Gueye and Yannick Bolasie while Stones is starting for Manchester City and England and prices have skyrocketed further. Edited August 9, 2016 by Steve_E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Glad to hear this is almost done, I've been a fan of his at Swansea and will love seeing him in our back line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Well happy about this. Selling Stones and getting Williams plus 35 mil is fantastic  About £7/8m going to Barnsley though I think, so not quite such a profit; have to take off agents fees as well (loyalty payment? Or is that still void because he asked for a transfer last year?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 So maybe £28m and Williams after Barnsley have been paid. I think that's still pretty good business. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Tiger Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Bit sad considering that bit will nab you a wijnaldum type in this window but adding it to our allotment should give us real options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elston Gunnn Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Did Williams play mostly at RCB or LCB last season or two at Swansea? Is he like Jagielka, comfortable playing either/both? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Hes just going to head the ball and hoof it, so doesn't matter what side he plays. Hes just a big fucking animal of a defender! Exactly what Koeman was talking about, not a nice friendly guy on the pitch. Lowensda 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Did Williams play mostly at RCB or LCB last season or two at Swansea? Is he like Jagielka, comfortable playing either/both? Dunno really, but maybe we'll see a back 3 of Jags, Williams and Mori Quinn31 and StevO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Mori and Williams would be quite formidable in the air. Maybe we would even become a real threat from corners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Did Williams play mostly at RCB or LCB last season or two at Swansea? Is he like Jagielka, comfortable playing either/both? .....looks around for SteveO, doesn't see him....... Yep RCB for Swansea, so drop in jags replacement. Â ......oh shit, sees Steve coming round...... Â Just a CB, plays the defense, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Â Wait until the 2018-19 season when Williams is backing up whoever we have starting at centre back then and we've spent the 35m on Idrissa Gueye and Yannick Bolasie while Stones is starting for Manchester City and England and prices have skyrocketed further. Â or if you follow more recent transfer dealings that City have had for young players - he may follow the course of Jack Rodwell the elegant footballer with very little going on between the ears and be sat in the squad at Sunderland after making the big jump too soon. Â Meanwhile Mason Holgate, Kone and Funes Mori had formed a tremendous central defensive rotation having been mentored by player coach Ashley Williams.... markjazzbassist and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_E Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Â or if you follow more recent transfer dealings that City have had for young players - he may follow the course of Jack Rodwell the elegant footballer with very little going on between the ears and be sat in the squad at Sunderland after making the big jump too soon. Â Meanwhile Mason Holgate, Kone and Funes Mori had formed a tremendous central defensive rotation having been mentored by player coach Ashley Williams.... Â I'm sure I wasn't the only one who was convinced that Rodwell wasn't even good enough for Everton by the time he was sold to City, so that's a bit of a different situation to Stones. But sure, I guess everything is possible. I know what I believe to be the more likely outcome though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Â I'm sure I wasn't the only one who was convinced that Rodwell wasn't even good enough for Everton by the time he was sold to City, so that's a bit of a different situation to Stones. But sure, I guess everything is possible. I know what I believe to be the more likely outcome though. Â I also think Stones is a better chance of being class versus Rodwell - though I must say in his first season Rodwell looked immense. Â I just don't think Stones will be the defender that we are likely to see with Ashley Williams. He will be decent and wont be a waste of money - but I don't think we will look over at him like we did with Wayne Rooney when he did things that he did in his first 3 years at Man United. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Mori and Williams would be quite formidable in the air. Maybe we would even become a real threat from corners. Â Corners? What are they? Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Mori and Williams would be quite formidable in the air. Maybe we would even be able to defend corners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 At first I was a bit 'meh' about this, was it last month that he was first rumoured? Â But over the last couple of weeks, I've grown to the idea of what hell bring to us. Â I'm happy to get this one. He'll be a solid player for us. A good honest player with no baggage or ego. He's the sort us lot are meant to pine for. Â He's a good piece to the jigsaw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Â I also think Stones is a better chance of being class versus Rodwell - though I must say in his first season Rodwell looked immense. Â I just don't think Stones will be the defender that we are likely to see with Ashley Williams. He will be decent and wont be a waste of money - but I don't think we will look over at him like we did with Wayne Rooney when he did things that he did in his first 3 years at Man United. Â stones will be stroking the ball about and ooooo and aaa from the crowd but will be weak on set pieces and in the air. he will be perfect for guardiola who plays defensive mids as centre backs anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Bet we don't announce this today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Bet we don't announce this today. Knew I could rely on you to cry it in . markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Bet we don't announce this today. Â everton 48 hours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 .....looks around for SteveO, doesn't see him....... Yep RCB for Swansea, so drop in jags replacement. Â ......oh shit, sees Steve coming round...... Â Just a CB, plays the defense, Â I'll accept centre back, centre half, defender or CB. Â Â Â Looking forward to seeing him in a blue shirt, and probably a few cheers from the stands when he just wins a fucking header! Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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