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He's just cover, I've no problem with this on a free. Koeman knows the lad so knows what he's getting.

 

I'd like cover to actually be good tbh. You or I could cover, Pad. What we need is someone who can come in when needed and it not be overly noticeable that the number one for that position is missing.

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I'd like cover to actually be good tbh. You or I could cover, Pad. What we need is someone who can come in when needed and it not be overly noticeable that the number one for that position is missing.

 

Unless Koeman doesn't want to play a system with a RB and Coleman will be used going forward as an option when we change formation?

 

If we were going to play a true RB, then I would want us to be on the prowl for a better RB than Coleman.

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I'd like cover to actually be good tbh. You or I could cover, Pad. What we need is someone who can come in when needed and it not be overly noticeable that the number one for that position is missing.

He played auite a few times last season mate- I know he's not a great player but it's not easy to attract a player of a good quality when he knows he'll be sitting on the bench begind Clleman when he's fit. Players want to play so we'll never get a quality right back in like that.

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He played auite a few times last season mate- I know he's not a great player but it's not easy to attract a player of a good quality when he knows he'll be sitting on the bench begind Clleman when he's fit. Players want to play so we'll never get a quality right back in like that.

I'm not expecting an amazing right back but Martina is so poor. He makes me long for Tony Hibbert.

 

Personally, I'd be looking to replace Coleman, not simply buy cover.

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I'm not expecting an amazing right back but Martina is so poor. He makes me long for Tony Hibbert.

 

Personally, I'd be looking to replace Coleman, not simply buy cover.

I would too. That leg break was horrendous, Imd be buying a young highly rated rb and letting Coleman fight for his place.

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He's just cover, I've no problem with this on a free. Koeman knows the lad so knows what he's getting.

I agree with this. Sell him in the January window if need be but for now, Holgate is not a RB and Kenny is too young to cope with the demands of Europe plus league play.

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I'm not expecting an amazing right back but Martina is so poor. He makes me long for Tony Hibbert.

 

Personally, I'd be looking to replace Coleman, not simply buy cover.

 

This.

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I'm not expecting an amazing right back but Martina is so poor. He makes me long for Tony Hibbert.

 

Personally, I'd be looking to replace Coleman, not simply buy cover.

After you just signed Coleman to a lucrative extension, though?

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After you just signed Coleman to a lucrative extension, though?

yup. Play Coleman more as a RWB, have a solid RB as an alternative and give him more competition

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I'd happily replace Coleman, his defence is shite, good at going forward but suspect at the back. I'd be more inclined to playing Coleman further forward tbh. The Coleman fan boys are going to have a fucking field day with me saying that!

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I'd happily replace Coleman, his defence is shite, good at going forward but suspect at the back. I'd be more inclined to playing Coleman further forward tbh. The Coleman fan boys are going to have a fucking field day with me saying that!

I don't think he's great defensively, but I also think you're talking about systems. You either play a true defensive 4, or you let your fullbacks or singular fullback bomb forward, and account for some defensive holes at the back. No fullback has it both ways.

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I'd happily replace Coleman, his defence is shite, good at going forward but suspect at the back. I'd be more inclined to playing Coleman further forward tbh. The Coleman fan boys are going to have a fucking field day with me saying that!

 

But you're not alone mate.

 

I really like Coleman as a person, think he's a cracking guy to have about the squad and as backup, he's just a limited footballer.

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I don't think he's great defensively, but I also think you're talking about systems. You either play a true defensive 4, or you let your fullbacks or singular fullback bomb forward, and account for some defensive holes at the back. No fullback has it both ways.

Ashley Cole and Dani Alves did, however im not stupid enough to think we can sign someone of their calibre (when Cole was good).

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That would be case if Coleman was fit Newty but with him out for a lengthy period hopefully Kenny will step up and Martina will just be cover for the time being

 

Do we bring in someone that puts Kenny's progression on hold or do we bring in free/cheap cover, Kenny looks every bit the type of player we want to hopefully push or keep Coleman out of the side

 

It makes financial sense and hopefully he want be to integral

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That would be case if Coleman was fit Newty but with him out for a lengthy period hopefully Kenny will step up and Martina will just be cover for the time being

 

Do we bring in someone that puts Kenny's progression on hold or do we bring in free/cheap cover, Kenny looks every bit the type of player we want to hopefully push or keep Coleman out of the side

 

It makes financial sense and hopefully he want be to integral

Is free/cheap cover for Kenny not available from the U23's? Can Holgate be the cover? Or vice versa?

 

Even sitting on the bench is good experience for the younger lads.

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Kenny is the cover from the u23's

 

If we play with pure wingbacks then Holgate is out of the equation for me, he'll become a top CB imo and I'd like to see him given a chance there in the right games but he isn't offensively gifted

 

"I think that he is offensively better and more dangerous than Mason (Holgate) in his crosses. That was the reason we gave him the chance." Koeman

 

That's not to put a downer on him in anyway just what I think is a small insight into what Koeman things and I've said above

 

I think it all hinges on whether Coleman comes back the player prior to his injury

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Mo Besic may well and up playing at RB for us at this rate.

Besic, when fit, is bloody quick. I could see him filling in at left back or as a left centre back. He's played that position before coming to Everton.

 

Coleman is definitely a wing back in my eyes. He could play RWB with Holgate playing in a back 3.

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apologies aaron, your mate was right (just timing was wrong).

 

welcome Cuco! looks like he will be RB and LB cover per the article:

 

“Cuco Martina is an experienced player who can perform in different positions at the back, which is important,” Koeman said.

 

Side note: he is from the tiny island of Curacao (almost went there for my honeymoon) which is a Dutch Sovereign State in the Caribbean.

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I have a good feeling about this one you know. I think he'll do ok and the fans will take to him. He's never going to be near first choice but if he stands in and does a job when asked it'll be a shrewd bit of business

Don't have any problem with having some cover, especially a versatile player who can play both left and right back.

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Yeah I think Koeman's statement on it makes that clear (or I hope). Baines surely can't play 38 games plus all cups at his age.

 

Leighton is a Duracel monkey, he could play 76 games if needed.

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Looked like he hasn't been fully instructed. We had a corner and he wondered across the pitch to be the furthest player forward on the left hand side. Didn't seem to be in much of a hurry getting back into position either.

 

Gana give him an ear full once Martina finally got back into position.

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He'll fill the gap until Coleman is back

That's the problem, he doesn't fill the gap. Rookie defending at times including heading a ball back into our own 18 yard box.

 

Good attacking outlet but a poor defender.

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That's the problem, he doesn't fill the gap. Rookie defending at times including heading a ball back into our own 18 yard box.

 

Good attacking outlet but a poor defender.

 

Can we have Mason and him doing a tag team? Our half Holgate, cross the line Cuco; that would work.

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Was very worried when he came on. Would have preferred Holgate come on tbh.

 

Did a reasonable job. The way we were set up, that right side will be exposed against more quality teams until Coleman is back.

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That's the problem, he doesn't fill the gap. Rookie defending at times including heading a ball back into our own 18 yard box.

 

Good attacking outlet but a poor defender.

thought was average at best but didn't think he was poor

 

Would prefer Holgate getting some more game time if we're playing 4 at the back though. Martina might be alright as a RWB rather than a traditional RB

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Just re-watching the highlights from the weekend. How anyone can say this guy did ok is beyond me. Absolutely all over the place at times, a really lazy attitude to defending too.

Thank you. He put in a couple good crosses but he was garbage overall.

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Just re-watching the highlights from the weekend. How anyone can say this guy did ok is beyond me. Absolutely all over the place at times, a really lazy attitude to defending too.

Been keeping quiet just in case I got it all wrong.

As soon as he came in the nearly scored.

Lost possession so many times, and not once did he try to get back to regain it... just jogged back into position.

Last few seconds, loses position and we're only save by a world class save from Pickford.

Epitome of average.

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Been keeping quiet just in case I got it all wrong.

As soon as he came in the nearly scored.

Lost possession so many times, and not once did he try to get back to regain it... just jogged back into position.

Last few seconds, loses position and we're only save by a world class save from Pickford.

Epitome of average.

He looked like a competition winner for that last chance. He was that out of place. I just don't get why he is here.

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Been keeping quiet just in case I got it all wrong.

As soon as he came in the nearly scored.

Lost possession so many times, and not once did he try to get back to regain it... just jogged back into position.

Last few seconds, loses position and we're only save by a world class save from Pickford.

Epitome of average.

So many have talked about his abilities on the ball, but I just don't see it. Over and over again, he lost possession in our half, and, as you say, didn't even fight to regain it.

 

The only place he offered any quality at all was if he got the ball on the right wing, already forward, with space.

 

I'd much rather have Holgate's solid defending and ability to retain possession rather than having Martina's liability with the slight promise of a good cross here or there.

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He was much better today. Looked class in the first half, only to unravel a bit in the second with some ill-advised runs and some poor positioning.

 

Willing to suspend my previous judgment for another run out or two, but think I'd still rather see Kenny there.

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