Hafnia Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Regarding above do some digging..... makes your skin crawl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37580723I don't see how they can stand by publishing before proof claiming it was for the publics interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted October 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Cach the outcome of the NIST report blames the fire for bringing down the tower which is a load of cobblers, if you put Windsor towers Madrid into your search engine a you'll find that Windsor towers burnt for over 18 hours and was completely gutted but the frame of the building did not collapse, it wasn't as strongly built as the trade centre Towers either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Cach the outcome of the NIST report blames the fire for bringing down the tower which is a load of cobblers, if you put Windsor towers Madrid into your search engine a you'll find that Windsor towers burnt for over 18 hours and was completely gutted but the frame of the building did not collapse, it wasn't as strongly built as the trade centre Towers either. So if it didn't happen the way it's been explained why/how did it happen? There's no doubt that a commercial aircraft hit each tower, it's on film (I remember clearly watching it through the window of a TV shop in Tiverton just before I picked Josh up from school, JFK moment), presumably the Windsor towers didn't have to contend with that and the resultant aviation fuel explosion. Who are we saying did it and why? If the answer is US "agents" looking for an excuse to invade abroad I find that very hard to believe; it could've been achieved by creating a far less spectacular incident and not killing thousands of innocent citizens in the process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Conspiracy ideas are abundant and to me it is abundantly clear they are all hogwash. There are no theories though as a theory is scientifically proveable or not proven. I could easily say that god washes his underpants in a Hotpoint using Daz. Prove me wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted October 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 I,m not able to download links because I'm stuck with my hudl, try looking at a YouTube video called "9/11Fakes" it calls all sorts of people liars and Fakes. Hundreds of so called victims are all twins but have been exposed as the same person with Photoshop changes, some have a hat on or maybe a beard but they are the same person, hundreds of them. The twelve Iranians accused of dying in the planes, are not terrorists and are not dead, five of them have been traced to other countries alive and well with professional jobs. Firemen who entered the tower where stepping, over dead bodies, afterwards they said it looked like an explosion had taken place in the reception. I'm not saying this is a stonewall inside job but the more videos I see makes me doubt everything that happened. Just as a PS .... Mike, that video you saw of the first plane hitting the tower wasn't released til the following day. Another video claims that it was also Photoshopped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Conspiracy ideas are abundant and to me it is abundantly clear they are all hogwash. There are no theories though as a theory is scientifically proveable or not proven. I could easily say that god washes his underpants in a Hotpoint using Daz. Prove me wrong. Was chatting to him last week and he said he shops at Aldi (watching the pennies) and uses their own brand so that's you blown out of the water . rubecula 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Just as a PS .... Mike, that video you saw of the first plane hitting the tower wasn't released til the following day. Another video claims that it was also Photoshopped It was on TV when I got home fifteen minutes later and saw the live coverage of the two come down. Again, if it didn't happen the way it's been explained why/how did it happen? There's no rational alternative to the facts as given imo. rubecula 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 It was on TV when I got home fifteen minutes later and saw the live coverage of the two come down. Again, if it didn't happen the way it's been explained why/how did it happen? There's no rational alternative to the facts as given imo. Me too Mike I think a lot of the conspiracy ideas come to light when memories fade of what actually happened at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Seen some videos claim they landed the original planes and then flew drones into the buildings...killing the original passengers at some secret location...that's just too much for me..can't see it at all.. Also you don't know if these videos claiming there's no markings on the planes and such have been edited Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Zeitgeist is worth a watch, just skip the first half about religion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Seen some videos claim they landed the original planes and then flew drones into the buildings...killing the original passengers at some secret location...that's just too much for me..can't see it at all.. Also you don't know if these videos claiming there's no markings on the planes and such have been edited Don't really want to get into arguments on this as those who think conspiracies are true will argue until the sky falls down. but where are the airline passengers if that is true? Anyway I will hold my peace on the subject now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 They killed them in a secret location..that's why I said it's too much for me..can't believe they'd just put a bullet in people's heads in cold blood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Conspiracy ideas are abundant and to me it is abundantly clear they are all hogwash. There are no theories though as a theory is scientifically proveable or not proven. I could easily say that god washes his underpants in a Hotpoint using Daz. Prove me wrong. Except when proved right like the USA monitoring everyone's phone calls and internet emails and stuff. Which they denied and lied about for decades. Makes you wonder what other stuff they've lied about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Is that true? Saw a south park episode of it but thought they were taking the piss..don't really pay attention to current affairs...terrible I know but the shit you hear depresses me The only thing I don't get is the explosives that were clearly placed in the building..do buildings put them in to control it in case of situations like this? I've never heard of any building doing that before..as said some burn for hours on end without any fear ofor collapae Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Except when proved right like the USA monitoring everyone's phone calls and internet emails and stuff. Which they denied and lied about for decades. Makes you wonder what other stuff they've lied about What a waste of time and resources, 99.99% = "How are you Grandma?" or similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 I bet they just employ mothers and the like...mine would love that job...proper nosey bitch pete0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Is that true? Saw a south park episode of it but thought they were taking the piss..don't really pay attention to current affairs...terrible I know but the shit you hear depresses me The only thing I don't get is the explosives that were clearly placed in the building..do buildings put them in to control it in case of situations like this? I've never heard of any building doing that before..as said some burn for hours on end without any fear ofor collapae https://www.propublica.org/article/nsa-data-collection-faq Look up Edward Snowden he blew the whistle on it and is living in Russia for fear of us extradition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Zeitgeist is worth a watch, just skip the first half about religion. This. Although I did find the religious side of it interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 This. Although I did find the religious side of it interesting.Was afraid people would think it was the wrong vid. Agree on the religion, I find it hard to believe it's still going strong today. I got my Christian friend to watch it, in return I had to go to church :/. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 Cach the outcome of the NIST report blames the fire for bringing down the tower which is a load of cobblers, if you put Windsor towers Madrid into your search engine a you'll find that Windsor towers burnt for over 18 hours and was completely gutted but the frame of the building did not collapse, it wasn't as strongly built as the trade centre Towers either. It didn't just blame fires and its not a load of old cobblers its a full investigation carried out by people qualified to do it, they're not Mossad agents, they're academics who do that for a living. If I typed Madrid Towers into my search engine, I would find a completely different building, it had a concrete core, not steel framed, the steel part did collapse and the building had to be demolished afterwards. So if it didn't happen the way it's been explained why/how did it happen? There's no doubt that a commercial aircraft hit each tower, it's on film (I remember clearly watching it through the window of a TV shop in Tiverton just before I picked Josh up from school, JFK moment), presumably the Windsor towers didn't have to contend with that and the resultant aviation fuel explosion. Who are we saying did it and why? If the answer is US "agents" looking for an excuse to invade abroad I find that very hard to believe; it could've been achieved by creating a far less spectacular incident and not killing thousands of innocent citizens in the process. Occam's razor, works every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 Was afraid people would think it was the wrong vid. Agree on the religion, I find it hard to believe it's still going strong today. I got my Christian friend to watch it, in return I had to go to church :/. Funny you mention religion, one of the main proponents of the controlled demolition hypothesis is a Physicist called Steve Jones, he also wrote this: http://www.bastison.net/RESSOURCES/Farce/57_Jones_Jesus.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 http://science.howstuffworks.com/engineering/structural/grade-of-steel-used-in-world-trade-center.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted October 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 (edited) Chach, the committee for inquiry into Clinton's misdemeanours with Monika cost $50m the NIST inquiry was given less than one million. it was formed to fail. All it said was what the government wanted to hear. Matt, that's a good article about the metal, it was the strongest building in the city and built especially to withstand a plane crash. My question is where did it go ?, Half a million tons of metal and half a million tonnes of concrete, 110 floors collapse on top of each other and the remains of the build was only one floor high. Where did it all go.? Edited October 10, 2016 by Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 Chach, the committee for inquiry into Clinton's misdemeanours with Monika cost $50m the NIST inquiry was given less than one million. it was formed to fail. All it said was what the government wanted to hear. Matt, that's a good article about the metal, it was the strongest building in the city and built especially to withstand a plane crash. My question is where did it go ?, Half a million tons of metal and half a million tonnes of concrete, 110 floors collapse on top of each other and the remains of the build was only one floor high. Where did it all go.? Underground I pressume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 Except when proved right like the USA monitoring everyone's phone calls and internet emails and stuff. Which they denied and lied about for decades. Makes you wonder what other stuff they've lied about Every nation in the world does that. You can't get a mobile spectrum license without the government having the right to tap and track all data and calls. I've seen many such documents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 Every nation in the world does that. You can't get a mobile spectrum license without the government having the right to tap and track all data and calls. I've seen many such documents. yes, but until the USA was outed every country lied about it for decades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 My question is where did it go ?, Half a million tons of metal and half a million tonnes of concrete, 110 floors collapse on top of each other and the remains of the build was only one floor high. Where did it all go.? Where do the conspiracy theorists suggest it all went? The towers fell down for whatever reason and the rubble went somewhere; or are they suggesting someone nipped in and stole it while nobody was looking? Or the whole thing was a David Blaine instituted illusion? It went where it went; it might have only been one storey high, I've no idea, but it sure as hell had a massively wider footprint than it had when it was upright. Drop a jar of coffee on the floor and see how high the resulting "rubble" is in comparison to the full jar. EFC-Paul 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted October 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 (edited) This building fell perfectly straight into its own footprint 110 floors fell on top of each other , they should have been standing there like a giant pack of cards, one on top of the other. Stairwell B ... Some firefighters and several office workers were caught in a stairwell before they could get out, the building collapsed so all they could do was throw themselves in the corner and wait for the inevitable, its not surprising that although they were still alive they thought they would never get out, but when the smoke cleared they saw daylight and actually walked out unaided. 110 floors fall on top of them and they walk out into the street.!! Now come on lads, even the most ardent sceptic has to admit that something's not right. Edited October 10, 2016 by Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted October 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 (edited) This is a brilliant documentary video, it has claimed 9/11 was a complete hoax, and it has some great stuff to back up the claim. 90 minutes long but totally absorbing. I can't seem to post it as a link so put it in your search bar. topdocumentaryfilms.com/September-clues Edited October 11, 2016 by Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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