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I'm not arsed about players going out etc as long as it's not Darron Gibson levels of drinking and its done at the right time.

For me the lad has a need to knuckle down and realise that as good as he was in the world cup it can change very quickly.

He pissed me off telling zouma to fuck off yesterday.  His relationship with his defence needs work... that is clear.  I noticed when Seamus miscontrolled an easy ball and it spooned for a corner he gave Seamus a pat.... I don't think he fancies having a go at Seamus. Be consistent. 

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1 hour ago, sydneyneil said:

There’s not just rumours about Pickford, Michael Keane also...who’s not in bad form...

I don't want to be locationist (if that's a thing) but I've literally heard fuck all about these rumours and I'm local (im guessing you're in Aus with that name). Keane even when in terrible form last season said himself in an interview he wouldn't leave the house incase he bumped into fans. Mark has it right, fans have made this shit up. Probably Kopites doing it. Remember when Danny Agger was out for ages and the rumour was he was on the sherbet? Load of shite and was started by Blues to wind Kopites up.

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3 minutes ago, pete0 said:

I'm a local and pretty sure that's as true as the ones we heard about Van der Meyde. 

If its true then imagine those two partying with Drenthe! Drinks, drugs, stippers in hot tubs at finch farm and zebras! To some it would be the party to end all parties.

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On 13/01/2019 at 07:44, Palfy said:

I think the lesson on here is don’t criticise Pickford in anyway shape or form because SteveO gets very upset 😡 about it😉

Me? Haha

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4 hours ago, hafnia said:

I'm not arsed about players going out etc as long as it's not Darron Gibson levels of drinking and its done at the right time.

For me the lad has a need to knuckle down and realise that as good as he was in the world cup it can change very quickly.

He pissed me off telling zouma to fuck off yesterday.  His relationship with his defence needs work... that is clear.  I noticed when Seamus miscontrolled an easy ball and it spooned for a corner he gave Seamus a pat.... I don't think he fancies having a go at Seamus. Be consistent. 

Noticed that, and it really annoyed me as well. 

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There's no doubting his ability as a keeper, but he does have an air of arrogance about him. It can be a good or bad thing.

I think that moment with Zouma showed when it can be a bad thing. I'm all for keepers commanding their defense, but to me that just showed a lack of respect to a fellow teammate. 

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5 hours ago, aaron said:

If its true then imagine those two partying with Drenthe! Drinks, drugs, stippers in hot tubs at finch farm and zebras! To some it would be the party to end all parties.

I’d want an invite. 

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35 minutes ago, Palfy said:

I’d want an invite. 

I might come along if someone tells me what a stipper is, I'm particular about who/what I share a hot tub with ya know:unsure:.

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I didn't think he looked his usual confident self yesterday, looked a bit edgy and uncertain, hopefully he's had the wake up call that he needs to cut out the silly errors, and a clean sheet will have boosted his on pitch confidence.

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1 hour ago, Bailey said:

I would be more concerned if they weren't shouting at each other when one of them fucked up. This isn'ttt the U11's.

Did one of them fuck up in the moment where he told Zouma to fuck off?

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1 minute ago, sibdane said:

I like a vocal keeper too, but I don't like dickheads. For some reason, Pickford is absolved of any criticism because he had a decent World Cup. 

If that is aimed at me, I couldn't give a shit about what he does for England!

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when the leader of your team is the goalie you need to call brands and ask him to get you some proper leadership in the front 10.  they wouldn't let some punk ass kid be having a bitch fest out there just for the sake of it.  if its warranted fine, but we need steel in this side.  too many nice guys.  we need a nasty fucker to set the other sides straight and our own dressing room.  in hockey they are the enforcers, we need one of those.  

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5 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

when the leader of your team is the goalie you need to call brands and ask him to get you some proper leadership in the front 10.  they wouldn't let some punk ass kid be having a bitch fest out there just for the sake of it.  if its warranted fine, but we need steel in this side.  too many nice guys.  we need a nasty fucker to set the other sides straight and our own dressing room.  in hockey they are the enforcers, we need one of those.  

We badly need a Keane type player.  Fair play I wasn't a Phil Neville fan as he was too much of a Jordan Henderson teachers pet.... "look at me I've got the arm band".... but he knew when to get stick in to the players. 

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5 hours ago, hafnia said:

We badly need a Keane type player.  Fair play I wasn't a Phil Neville fan as he was too much of a Jordan Henderson teachers pet.... "look at me I've got the arm band".... but he knew when to get stick in to the players. 

He never stopped all game from what Coleman says. Him and Carsley kept the team alert. 

Pickford aside there's very little communication/organisational skills going on. Of the outfield players Walcott and Coleman talk a lot to each other. Coleman to Keane as well but not much the other way round. Digne and Gomes (and Bernard when attacking but not Sri much defensively) use more gestures than shouting which could be a language issue for now. Richarlison gets stroppy after a bad pass but there's not much talk before it, like wise Sigurdssen is reactive too with only token gesturing before it. Thinking about it DCL is probably the only effective communicator up top. 

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37 minutes ago, Paddock said:

I’m starting to wonder if he’s part of the problem you know. I’ve never been totally convinced on him but is he as good as we think he is? Probably not.

Quite simply he's too small which impacts much of his decision making.

When we are facing corners or free kicks he looks like a kid playing in goal with a group of men.  He has absolutely no command of his area.  

At just under 6ft 1 (185cm 6ft 0.85 inch) he would have been considered short for a keeper in the 90's... now the average height of a centre half appears to be 6 ft 2 min as opposed to 5ft11 to 6ft1 with most goalkeepers around 6ft 3.  De gea looks by no means tall yet he's 6ft 3....

Aside from that he's been far to self obsessed and it created some absolute howlers. 

 

 

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11 hours ago, hafnia said:

Quite simply he's too small which impacts much of his decision making.

When we are facing corners or free kicks he looks like a kid playing in goal with a group of men.  He has absolutely no command of his area.  

At just under 6ft 1 (185cm 6ft 0.85 inch) he would have been considered short for a keeper in the 90's... now the average height of a centre half appears to be 6 ft 2 min as opposed to 5ft11 to 6ft1 with most goalkeepers around 6ft 3.  De gea looks by no means tall yet he's 6ft 3....

Aside from that he's been far to self obsessed and it created some absolute howlers. 

 

 

He seems to get a free pass though in a lot of quarters anyway 🤷‍♂️

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Awful attitude, arrogant,  made the game more about him being a panto villain and got the Geordies all energised with his dickhead antics - making mistakes and pulling tongues at them. 

At 2 nil down they were silenced... he then messes up another ball that he should have left and when the ball rolled passed post he laughed and goaded the fans.  He's a bit thick I'm afraid and nowhere near as good as he seems to think he is. 

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28 minutes ago, StevO said:

Brilliant first half. 

Shit second half. 

Disagree.  That first half he dropped a simple cross and rugby tackles the man.... should have walked. Penno stop was ok... taker made it easy for him by hitting it down middle. 

He offers our defenders no assurance at all. He is all over the place.  Worrying.   Id be inclined to give virginia a start if he is even near ready.

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14 minutes ago, hafnia said:

Disagree.  That first half he dropped a simple cross and rugby tackles the man.... should have walked. Penno stop was ok... taker made it easy for him by hitting it down middle. 

He offers our defenders no assurance at all. He is all over the place.  Worrying.   Id be inclined to give virginia a start if he is even near ready.

It’s not a red card if you give away a penalty anymore. 

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1 minute ago, StevO said:

It’s not a red card if you give away a penalty anymore. 

Double jeopardy didn't apply in that instance - double jeopardy only applies if the keeper goes for the ball. Was a deffo red. 

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28 minutes ago, hafnia said:

Double jeopardy didn't apply in that instance - double jeopardy only applies if the keeper goes for the ball. Was a deffo red. 

Of course it does. If you concede the penalty you don’t get the player sent off. If it was defo a red, he would have got a red. It’s not like the ref didn’t see it, and I’m sure he knows the laws of the game better than you and me. 

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Im afraid yesterday he gets to involved with the Newcastle Sunderland thing to the detriment  of us.

He has a lot of growing up to do, hes had a disastrous season and im not sure he will pull out of it.

He does not seem to learn from his mistakes and there are a lot, he shows no sign of dominating the box or of trying to.

Personally i would move him on in the summer. We should have sold him last summer when his stock was high.

 

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Furious with him. As mentioned above he showed his ego with the way he taunted the Newcastle fans - almost like when he ran his mouth about Allison’s mistake only to make a worse blunder against them. I know a lot are saying Silva shat the bed with the game - but Pickford solely put us in an uneasy situation from the penalty to all his mistakes.

Deffo red for me as well - if any keeper does that to our striker we would all scream for red as he made no attempt to play the ball and just the man.

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3 hours ago, StevO said:

Of course it does. If you concede the penalty you don’t get the player sent off. If it was defo a red, he would have got a red. It’s not like the ref didn’t see it, and I’m sure he knows the laws of the game better than you and me. 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/jordan-pickford-newcastle-everton-penalty-15948894.amp

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He costs us the game on Saturday. I don't blame Silva, he cant be responsible for such errors by a goalkeeper. He acts so immature. He's 25 years of age now he is not young. I understand keepers play until they are 40 but that doesn't mean they are still young at 25.

He has made so many errors this season. More than Howard was making towards the end of his tenure. He is so erratic and so is his personality. He needs so much to change to become a good goalkeeper in my opinion. All keepers these days are decent shot stoppers, it's the other attributes involved in goalkeeping which separate the good and the bad ones. We need a calm head at the back who exudes confidence in the back four. I think he makes them nervous. Even his kicking is dreadful.

Many fans used the derby defeat to blame our quick demise, like the derby was some sort of unlucky result. Pickford cost us that game and some momentum with one of the worst shows of goalkeeping of the season. I dare say, he has cost us some momentum again on Saturday. 

 

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35 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

Shit game and I don’t like his attitude but how did he lose the game?  He blocked the pen!  I believe only one goal was his fault, mEanwhile he had a couple of insane saves that kept us in it.  The defense Nd tactics were more to blame for me than Jordan.

He should have saved the first goal in my opinion. The pen he caused so is irrelevant. Goalkeepers are there to make saves Mark, there were no insane saves that he shouldn't have saved. Its' like there's now a bizarre theory about measuring mistakes versus saves and if he ends up in the positive then he's doing a good job. Goalkeepers should not be making several mistakes in a game like Pickford on Saturday. It's a regular occurrence and he costs us far too many points. If we had a  decent keeper this season, we are ten points better off. Easy.

 

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3 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

Shit game and I don’t like his attitude but how did he lose the game?  He blocked the pen!  I believe only one goal was his fault, mEanwhile he had a couple of insane saves that kept us in it.  The defense Nd tactics were more to blame for me than Jordan.

Agree with Above he should have saved the first one. Second one was woeful.

The pen just breeds doubt into defenders minds. He seriously needs a wake up, if Howard had messed up in the derby, taken out Zouma in the spurs game (1-0 at that point) and then today he would be getting torn apart. He’s lost a lot of precision with kicking and seems to try and get it as much distance with each kick as possible - which is frustrating because when he wants to he actually can pick a pass.

Overall - less is more Jordan. Give yourself as little to do each game but do it efficiently.

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Yes he made a bad mistake for the pen but saved it. He made some other good saves too. Honestly not sure what he could’ve done better with their goals, and I’ve no intention of rewatching the highlights  

Yes his cockiness can be infuriating. The sticking the tongue out thing he does all the time. It’s like a reaction thing for him. He does need to tone it down but it’s not a big deal for me when he does his job, and if he doesn’t it won’t be cockiness that I complain about.

tactics lost us the game. Bringing Mina on to “counter their attacking sub” was just insane and unbalanced a back 2 that had done quite well all game.

 

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35 minutes ago, Matt said:

Yes he made a bad mistake for the pen but saved it. He made some other good saves too. Honestly not sure what he could’ve done better with their goals, and I’ve no intention of rewatching the highlights  

Yes his cockiness can be infuriating. The sticking the tongue out thing he does all the time. It’s like a reaction thing for him. He does need to tone it down but it’s not a big deal for me when he does his job, and if he doesn’t it won’t be cockiness that I complain about.

tactics lost us the game. Bringing Mina on to “counter their attacking sub” was just insane and unbalanced a back 2 that had done quite well all game.

 

He should have saved the first 2 goals. First goal went underneath him. Second one he should have tipped it over the bar, it was a long range shot straight at him. 

He is / will be a top, top keeper, he was too hyped for the game. 

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16 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

Shit game and I don’t like his attitude but how did he lose the game?  He blocked the pen!  I believe only one goal was his fault, mEanwhile he had a couple of insane saves that kept us in it.  The defense Nd tactics were more to blame for me than Jordan.

He single handedly stoked up a muted set of fans notorious for getting on their sides back when losing.... 2-0 down and they were quiet as nice till he starts making mistakes and pulling tongues at the gallowgate end. They were right up for it after that.

Add to that his defence don't know what he's gonna do. 

He's thick as pigshit.  Walked off the pitch gesturing to their fans - "outside" .... 

No other player in the prem has made more errors leading to shots or goals. 

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11 hours ago, London Blue said:

He should have saved the first 2 goals. First goal went underneath him. Second one he should have tipped it over the bar, it was a long range shot straight at him. 

He is / will be a top, top keeper, he was too hyped for the game. 

He likes to throw his legs up in the air and go horizontal for saves that don't require him to do anything more than jump up and tip a shot over and land on his feet. One save was routine and he was giving it pure Hollywood....

He's like a kid who has had too many blue coloured sweets on a bouncy castle. 

He parries the ball back out rather than for a corner. Twice he did it and one goal we conceded.  The goal against Liverpool he could have tipped over for a corner....  it's sheer egotistical nonsense. 

 Not convinced at all.  Has no command of his area 

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10 minutes ago, hafnia said:

He single handedly stoked up a muted set of fans notorious for getting on their sides back when losing.... 2-0 down and they were quiet as nice till he starts making mistakes and pulling tongues at the gallowgate end. They were right up for it after that.

Add to that his defence don't know what he's gonna do. 

He's thick as pigshit.  Walked off the pitch gesturing to their fans - "outside" .... 

No other player in the prem has made more errors leading to shots or goals. 

i appreciate the comments and insight guys.  in the States the fans don't play much of a part in the game (at least in my experience).  i've never witnessed a US game/match/event where the fans single handedly spurred on the team for the win/upset.  it's wierd for me to not expect to win on the road, just another game over here and if the team is shit there is no reason the away side can't beat them.  whereas in the prem the away matches are considered so tough and you guys really see them differently.  times like this i appreciate the forum members educating me. the bit on them going behind and their own fans abandoning them is very interesting, i honestly had no idea.  

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31 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

i appreciate the comments and insight guys.  in the States the fans don't play much of a part in the game (at least in my experience).  i've never witnessed a US game/match/event where the fans single handedly spurred on the team for the win/upset.  it's wierd for me to not expect to win on the road, just another game over here and if the team is shit there is no reason the away side can't beat them.  whereas in the prem the away matches are considered so tough and you guys really see them differently.  times like this i appreciate the forum members educating me. the bit on them going behind and their own fans abandoning them is very interesting, i honestly had no idea.  

Yeah were a bunch of nutters over here it’s tribal and he upset their tribe which helped the atmosphere which in turn lifted their team.

He fucked up acting like a complete dick, I was born in Newcastle and the Geordie’s hate Mackem’s and vice versa for him I think he got lucky because if we had won he might have got a good slap, seems to be the way forward at the moment in Britain 🇬🇧

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If he doesn't learn from the mistakes he made on Saturday he will never be as good as he has the potential to be.

Very immature in winding up the Toon army, and got them behind their team, as opposed to getting at them. Goalkeeper  Coaches need to show him how to not to push theball straight back into play, and kick more consistently.

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He’s 25 now and I’m sure he’s been coached by professionals for years. He’s immature and has the wrong attitude. Add to that frequent poor decision making and he’s really not a top keeper. If he was 10th in a table of goalkeepering errors (in the premier league) which led to goals this season it would not be good enough. The guy is top in a table which includes every player. Why people still rate him is beyond me. Remember David James? Calamity James was always prone to errors despite having all the attributes. Pickford is similar but with less attributes. At least James was big.

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Pickford needs a commanding centre back to keep him focused and give him a bollocking when he needs one. We obviously need a striker this summer but that leader at the back is just as important in my opinion.

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17 minutes ago, c1982 said:

Pickford needs a commanding centre back to keep him focused and give him a bollocking when he needs one. We obviously need a striker this summer but that leader at the back is just as important in my opinion.

What I’d give for Jags to be five years younger. 

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