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19 hours ago, c1982 said:

Pickford needs a commanding centre back to keep him focused and give him a bollocking when he needs one. We obviously need a striker this summer but that leader at the back is just as important in my opinion.

It can also be argued our defenders need a calm head behind them.  He's just not professional imo. 

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57 minutes ago, MikeO said:

Saved us far more points than he's cost us in his time here imo; he had a daft head on on Saturday and hopefully will be told as much behind closed doors.

I wouldn't swap him for anyone we could afford.

I'd argue that the mistakes he makes are pivotal and huge momentum swingers.  Take his mistake at Anfield..... you could argue that one mistake cost us our season and potentially giving Liverpool the league.  We never looked the same after that.... we were flying.  A good game against Liverpool pre the Newcastle game - coasting and then boom.  He makes the mistakes and the defence is all over the shop. 

Yes.. you can say we shouldn't be so weak but look at Liverpool - a solid keeper has completely addressed their side.

It's time we stop looking at players like lukaku, stones and pickford and their supposed elevated status as being something to celebrate or indulge them for.  All 3 of those players have been allowed to get far too big for their boots in our side.  The "England number 1" on the scoreboard before the games is cringeworthy and likely to England 3rd choice unless he sorts his shit out. 

A very good piece on him here. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, MikeO said:

Saved us far more points than he's cost us in his time here imo; he had a daft head on on Saturday and hopefully will be told as much behind closed doors.

I wouldn't swap him for anyone we could afford.

Where has this saved us more points than he’s cost us come from. I’m sick of saying this but keepers are there to make saves.. I can’t remember saves he’s made thinking he had no right to make the save. Most good saves are down to poor finishing at premier league level. All keepers in the premier league are good shot stoppers and regularly make “good saves” weekly. The better keepers are the ones who make less mistakes. The best compliment you can give a keeper is solid. He’s made more mistakes than any other keeper and is a keeper I would describe as erratic. Erratic is the worst adjective you can use to describe a keeper.

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19 minutes ago, sydneyneil said:

Where has this saved us more points than he’s cost us come from. I’m sick of saying this but keepers are there to make saves.. I can’t remember saves he’s made thinking he had no right to make the save. Most good saves are down to poor finishing at premier league level. All keepers in the premier league are good shot stoppers and regularly make “good saves” weekly. The better keepers are the ones who make less mistakes. The best compliment you can give a keeper is solid. He’s made more mistakes than any other keeper and is a keeper I would describe as erratic. Erratic is the worst adjective you can use to describe a keeper.

Swept the board at our official awards ceremony last year, "solid" keepers don't get that type of recognition. Nev didn't win league player of the season because he was solid, he won it because he was brilliant.

Not disagreeing that Jordan's screwed up at times this year (though he's also made many superb saves); maybe the WC success went to his head and he needs a slap, I still maintain we couldn't get better.

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58 minutes ago, MikeO said:

Swept the board at our official awards ceremony last year, "solid" keepers don't get that type of recognition. Nev didn't win league player of the season because he was solid, he won it because he was brilliant.

Not disagreeing that Jordan's screwed up at times this year (though he's also made many superb saves); maybe the WC success went to his head and he needs a slap, I still maintain we couldn't get better.

He also came back to pre season training earlier than he was scheduled to, maybe he needs a break, both physically and mentally.

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1 hour ago, MikeO said:

Swept the board at our official awards ceremony last year, "solid" keepers don't get that type of recognition. Nev didn't win league player of the season because he was solid, he won it because he was brilliant.

Not disagreeing that Jordan's screwed up at times this year (though he's also made many superb saves); maybe the WC success went to his head and he needs a slap, I still maintain we couldn't get better.

I don’t really want our keeper to be winning our awards at the end of the season. I’d much rather have a 7/10 keeper every week a la man city and Liverpool at the moment. His shot stopping is above average I agree on that with you and he’s good at pens, hence the hype at the World Cup. However, all other aspects of his game are poor. In fact very poor. I have no trust with him on crosses and set pieces and his decision making and concentration levels are poor. His kicking is over rated.

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1 hour ago, MikeO said:

Swept the board at our official awards ceremony last year, "solid" keepers don't get that type of recognition. Nev didn't win league player of the season because he was solid, he won it because he was brilliant.

Not disagreeing that Jordan's screwed up at times this year (though he's also made many superb saves); maybe the WC success went to his head and he needs a slap, I still maintain we couldn't get better.

I was very impressed pre-worldcup and post world cup.....  then we went and improved his contract by almost double which I didn't agree with - it needed structuring on clean sheets etc and increments year on year.

I had read somewhere that he came back from the WC with a stinking attitude - obviously that's hearsay but after a few games I could see things that weren't happening before.... complete and utter rashness and a propensity to lay blame at a defender for his errors.  Not one defender congratulated him for his penno save or indeed the save at near post against Newcastle - that sort of shit speaks volumes.

I mentioned quite a few times on here that his positioning and inability to claim or deal with balls into and around the 6 yard box was a problem.... well it still is and I don't see it changing.  I just think he is too small and lacks critical judgement. 

I've seen loads of keepers have one or two good seasons - and right now he resembles David James or Joe Hart, capable of great saves but ridiculous errors and a dodgy mentality.  He has pressed the Joe Hart "faux" mental strength button - "shoulders back - chewing gum - 5000 yard stare"... quite frankly it looks badly placed. He has played the panto villain twice now - away at anfield and away at Newcastle, getting involved with both sets of fans and allowing them into his "supposedly mentally tough" head.

He needs dropping and we as a club need to ask ourselves why a 25 year old keeper seems to be getting away with nonsense... can anyone imagine Roy Keane, VVD, Kompany, Viera, Peter Reid, tolerating that in their side?  That's why we are weak... we have no leaders - its like the whole mirallas penalty fiasco where he took it away from baines, its why Chelsea are struggling - allowing their keepers to stay on the pitch instead of hoofing him off.... remember when drogba tried to take a penno off Lampard?  Lampard, Terry and some other player told him under no certain terms what was happening.

 

 

 

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27 minutes ago, Matt said:

Haf, is he your new Lukaku?

Is he "the" new lukaku is the likelier question matt... he shares a few things with lukaku that piss me off.

1. Interested in his own agenda rather than that of the team... hence his makem vs Geordies nonsense.

2. Inability to see that he's not as good as he thinks and has some glaring weaknesses that piss fans off. 

3. Gobby

4. Has the ability to brainwash some success starved fans into thinking he is the best that little old Everton can get despite us breaking transfer records to get him.  Such fans indulge his bratty behaviour.  All in keeping with a club that has won fuck all due to having such apathy and a tolerance of shit. 

 

Sorry I can't give it the "he's only young - he will learn"  bollocks.  Sometimes people are thick and arrogant.  Like the former manchild we sold to man United this lad will likely not reach his supposed potential and be a rotation player - unable to bring consistent performances and steady attitude to his ability to do highlight reels.  That world cup has messed with his head and No one has grounded him. 

 

 

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The thing that stands out from all these opinions is, hes not improving, hes not learning, and i dont think he can. he has reached his level.

The Newcastle thing has been going on since he signed for us, the mistakes are getting more often, no improvement in commanding the area.

He looks like he plays to his own rules and everyone else is wrong.

If Silva can not change his attitude then get rid.

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He’s 25, he’s got 10 years left in him and typically keepers only improve with age.

Keep in mind, he’s played less than 100 premiership games (only during the last 3 years), so he’s not had as much exposure to the top level as others might’ve and never had a stable defence in front of him. 

He needs some tough love for sure, and that needs to come from the manager and, as has been mentioned a few times, a CB who can organise the defence and put him in his place if needed.

i didn’t want him, but I’ve seen enough to be positive for the future. He had his flaws but he will continue to learn and does need help rather than writing off

 

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5 minutes ago, Matt said:

He’s 25, he’s got 10 years left in him and typically keepers only improve with age.

Keep in mind, he’s played less than 100 premiership games (only during the last 3 years), so he’s not had as much exposure to the top level as others might’ve and never had a stable defence in front of him. 

He needs some tough love for sure, and that needs to come from the manager and, as has been mentioned a few times, a CB who can organise the defence and put him in his place if needed.

i didn’t want him, but I’ve seen enough to be positive for the future. He had his flaws but he will continue to learn and does need help rather than writing off

 

One problem we have as a fan group is that the likes of myself can't get pissed off about a players attitude without it being tagged as "your new lukaku" or whatever.  I want a team of players who play for Everton not themselves.  I've watched us win trophies - I know what a winning Everton side looks like and it doesn't resemble anything that this lad brings along with a few others.

Attitude/mentality is everything as a footballer.... goalkeepers more than anyone need to be grounded and this lad isn'tt.  Our team has poor attitudes all over the shop.

Pickford - see above

Schneiderlein - coward, not arsed

Richarlison - sulky, immature, petulent

Walcott - doesn't care, lacks football intel

Gomes - weak mentality, Barkley like. 

Keane - daydreamer

Too many..... just too many players who lack it between the ears. 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, hafnia said:

One problem we have as a fan group is that the likes of myself can't get pissed off about a players attitude without it being tagged as "your new lukaku" or whatever.  I want a team of players who play for Everton not themselves.  I've watched us win trophies - I know what a winning Everton side looks like and it doesn't resemble anything that this lad brings along with a few others.

Attitude/mentality is everything as a footballer.... goalkeepers more than anyone need to be grounded and this lad isn'ttt.  Our team has poor attitudes all over the shop.

Pickford - see above

Schneiderlein - coward, not arsed

Richarlison - sulky, immature, petulent

Walcott - doesn't care, lacks football intel

Gomes - weak mentality, Barkley like. 

Keane - daydreamer

Too many..... just too many players who lack it between the ears. 

It was in jest because I see parallels, that’s all. I get the frustration with him, I really do, but some of the criticism just seems OTT for me. I’d agree with most of them except Gomes and Keane 

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5 minutes ago, Matt said:

It was in jest because I see parallels, that’s all. I get the frustration with him, I really do, but some of the criticism just seems OTT for me. I’d agree with most of them except Gomes and Keane 

I kinda agree that they are low level risks but none the less they seem to lack steel that blokes of their stature should have. 

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2 minutes ago, MikeO said:

"The thing is, you don’t have good days without having bad days. Even Bobby Charlton.’"

Neville Southall

Very modest of the big man. There was no bigger critic than himself of his performances and his standards were freakish.  Pickford needs someone like him on him. 

May have mentioned it before but my mate was a keeper at Everton as a youth player in same team as ball, cadamarteri and I believe Osmans brother....(if memory serves me right) - mate never made it but played in sticks for our Sunday team and was quality.  He and another lad finished their session at bellefield and sat behind the goal where Southall and Kearton were doing extra work.

He thought Southall was gonna turn round and wink at them and give it "alright boys".... nope. Swore at them, questioned what they were doing watching and said get your arses round here. 30 minutes later both lads were vommiting after being put through the hardest session they ever had. Southall had a ridiculous work ethic - fitness levels were daft. Makes you think.... did he burn calories at such a rate that as soon as he retired/slowed down his food I take remained?  

 

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36 minutes ago, hafnia said:

Very modest of the big man. There was no bigger critic than himself of his performances and his standards were freakish.

If a PL keeper refused to join his team-mates/manager in the dressing room at half time this week-end would you say he had an attitude problem? Maybe "sulky, immature, petulent" like Richarlison or would you say, "...it's OK, he's not lived up to his own standards and he needs to get his head together"?

https://www.dreamteamfc.com/c/archives/uncategorized/181427/memory-lane-neville-southalls-half-time-sulk/

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59 minutes ago, MikeO said:

If a PL keeper refused to join his team-mates/manager in the dressing room at half time this week-end would you say he had an attitude problem? Maybe "sulky, immature, petulent" like Richarlison or would you say, "...it's OK, he's not lived up to his own standards and he needs to get his head together"?

https://www.dreamteamfc.com/c/archives/uncategorized/181427/memory-lane-neville-southalls-half-time-sulk/

I would sooner look for his explanation rather than some piss take article... he left dressing room early. 

"That day people said I was bonkers, that I wanted a transfer. I thought I’d had a s*** first half and I just wanted to clear my head, that’s all. I’d done it before, though I’ve only ever found one person who remembers. It was at Plough Lane — the dressing room there was boiling and they put 52 sugars in the tea.

Colin didn’t know ’til he got home. He phoned me and he wasn’t happy. I was suspended for two weeks. I played the following Wednesday. It was nothing to do with Colin. It was purely about me. The thing is, you don’t have good days without  having bad days. Even Bobby Charlton.’

 

At that stage of his career he had well and truly earned his stripes. Won 2 league medals, an fa cup, player of year, ecwc, went on to arguably win us another fa cup single handedly with 3 outstanding saves. The next half we scored 2 but Leeds got the extra goal they needed. 

Pickford took on the fans anfield and got rattled made a game losing mistake.  He did the same again in the very same season at Newcastle.... but ok yeah it's not so bad cos big nev in his 751 games for Everton did something perceived as wrong one game.... did he offer fans out on his way off the pitch too? 

 

It's not even on the same level of behaviour Mike. Pickford chose the Newcastle game to be a mackem not an Everton goalkeeper. Prickish behaviour.  Maybe if he gave a shit about Everton he could have taken some time out to get his head together rather than behaving like he forgot to take his Ritalin.

 

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Jordan has played extremely well for us. You could look at any of the players in the squad and see there have had moments where they have played well for their club, and moments when they haven't. But when I look at Jordan, his performances with us have been excellent. We have to help him through what was hopefully a blip, and he has to train and play well.

Gareth SouthgateEngland manager on Jordan Pickford

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51 minutes ago, MikeO said:

Jordan has played extremely well for us. You could look at any of the players in the squad and see there have had moments where they have played well for their club, and moments when they haven't. But when I look at Jordan, his performances with us have been excellent. We have to help him through what was hopefully a blip, and he has to train and play well.

Gareth SouthgateEngland manager on Jordan Pickford

Very diplomatic Gareth... I'm sure you may understand what he needs helping through if we have a match against Scotland and he decides to take on the jocks

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Pickford is the best keeper we've had since Nev; he's brilliant.  He's ballsed up many times (like all other keepers), and many more times he's pulled of incredible saves (not like other keepers).  Even against Newcastle, he pulled of 2 or 3 saves that I though would be a certain goal.  He's only going to get better, and that includes less errors.

The big issue is how on earth are we going to keep him?  If he goes we'll be right up shit creek.

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The only mistake he made was that penalty and he saved it. Has absolutely no fault for the first and the third goal. The second was straight power shot just above his head. It's not high enough to tip it over, it's not angled to deflect it sideways what could he do? Yeah it's a bit unfortunate that the ball bounced back too much, but it's physics and this can happen to experienced keepers as well. The lad is quality, just needs to set his mind calm, but the fans are not helping him.

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10 hours ago, hafnia said:

Pickford chose the Newcastle game to be a mackem not an Everton goalkeeper. 

So true. 

2 hours ago, badaids said:

Pickford is the best keeper we've had since Nev

Also close to being true. Another season or two of progression and he has the ability to be as good as any Everton keeper (bar big nev who will never be surpassed!) 

 

He needs to change his mentality and knuckle down before he becomes Joe Hart Mk II. Hope he is dropped by silva against Chelsea for some 'thinking time'. 

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2 hours ago, badaids said:

Pickford is the best keeper we've had since Nev; he's brilliant.  He's ballsed up many times (like all other keepers), and many more times he's pulled of incredible saves (not like other keepers).  Even against Newcastle, he pulled of 2 or 3 saves that I though would be a certain goal.  He's only going to get better, and that includes less errors.

The big issue is how on earth are we going to keep him?  If he goes we'll be right up shit creek.

I take it you must have forgotten Nigel Martyn?  A brilliant keeper. If Big Nev was 10/10... Martyn was 8/10.  

In comparison pickford is 6.5/10.  Pickford is on a par with Tim Howard probably less due to his lack of command of area. 

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9 hours ago, hafnia said:

I take it you must have forgotten Nigel Martyn?  A brilliant keeper. If Big Nev was 10/10... Martyn was 8/10.  

In comparison pickford is 6.5/10.  Pickford is on a par with Tim Howard probably less due to his lack of command of area. 

Good point about Martyn,  although need to remember he was in his 30's when he came here, let's hope Pickford does settle down and become as good as one if not both of big Nev and Nige

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I must be watching different games to half of the people on here. The guys made more mistakes this season than I can remember an Everton keeper making in one season. Best keeper since nev??? You having a laugh? If we asked unbiased fans from the rest of the Prem what they thought about Pickford he wouldn’t even be in the top ten in the league. His behaviour and attitude stinks and if schneiderlin acted like that on Sunday he’d be hounded out the club.

karius made a howler in Liverpool’s most important game of the season last year and was never seen again....Pickford did the same for us but seems to have got off Scot free.....almost destroyed our season that derby game. 

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It was a freak one, really. It had hit the bar twice and I tried to flick it over. The ball spun and as I tried to flick it over, my hand hit the bar

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/dec/02/jordan-pickford-apologises-mistake-liverpool-winner

Really don't see why he keeps getting a hard time over the Derby goal. Even Martyn, one of the steadiest goalkeepers, has misjudged his goal and flicked a shot from going wide into his own net. Pickford's isn'tt that bad it's just that it looks rediculous. He's slightly misjudged where the bar is and his fingers made an unnatural movement after accidently catching it making them flick. Nothing to do with cockiness, to use his words it was a freak incident. 

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1 hour ago, pete0 said:

It was a freak one, really. It had hit the bar twice and I tried to flick it over. The ball spun and as I tried to flick it over, my hand hit the bar

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/dec/02/jordan-pickford-apologises-mistake-liverpool-winner

Really don't see why he keeps getting a hard time over the Derby goal. Even Martyn, one of the steadiest goalkeepers, has misjudged his goal and flicked a shot from going wide into his own net. Pickford's isn'tttt that bad it's just that it looks rediculous. He's slightly misjudged where the bar is and his fingers made an unnatural movement after accidently catching it making them flick. Nothing to do with cockiness, to use his words it was a freak incident. 

Very seldom i involve myself in this thread but ffs Pete the ball was behind the bar, if he had left it alone it would hit the roof of the net But he pulled back into play.

Look very carefully from the side view, his hands are above the Bar when he yanks it back into play, i still cant believe he made such a silly mistake and that has destroyed our season. Since that disasterous episode we are playing ourselves ito the relegation Zone.

 

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25 minutes ago, Bill said:

Very seldom i involve myself in this thread but ffs Pete the ball was behind the bar, if he had left it alone it would hit the roof of the net But he pulled back into play.

Look very carefully from the side view, his hands are above the Bar when he yanks it back into play, i still dont believe he made such a silly mistake and that has destroyed our season. Since that disasterous episode we are playing ourselves ito the relegation Zone.

His fingers have flicked it back in as he's clipped the bar on his way up making his hand jolt. 

Sure most of us have gone to grab their pint from the table and ended up flicking the table and knocking the drink. It's just an accident. It happens. 

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I won't get into an argument with you but just look at the video, you must see that the ball is behind the bar, his hands are inches above the bar when he bends his hands back to pull it back into play. 

A very childish error which has had costly consequences on team performances since then.

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14 minutes ago, Bill said:

I won't get into an argument with you but just look at the video, you must see that the ball is behind the bar, his hands are inches above the bar when he bends his hands back to pull it back into play. 

A very childish error which has had costly consequences on team performances since then.

If that's true and the ball was behind the bar then surely it's the linesman's mistake for not blowing for a goal kick. 

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3 minutes ago, MikeO said:

If that's true and the ball was behind the bar then surely it's the linesman's mistake for not blowing for a goal kick. 

Ball wasn’t completely over the line so can’t blame the officials this time

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3 minutes ago, Matt said:

Ball wasn’t completely over the line so can’t blame the officials this time

I've not seen it from an angle to know one way or another but if it was out then we'd obviously have kicked up a stink over it, looks marginal on ETV.

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9 hours ago, Wiggytop said:

Good point about Martyn,  although need to remember he was in his 30's when he came here, let's hope Pickford does settle down and become as good as one if not both of big Nev and Nige

It was a disgrace that he was in his 30's..... we should have got him 7 years before but he was told to drive up to park hampers and treated like a YTS player.... he signed for Leeds and was class for them.. we got him at 37... proper pro. 

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5 hours ago, pete0 said:

It was a freak one, really. It had hit the bar twice and I tried to flick it over. The ball spun and as I tried to flick it over, my hand hit the bar

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/dec/02/jordan-pickford-apologises-mistake-liverpool-winner

Really don't see why he keeps getting a hard time over the Derby goal. Even Martyn, one of the steadiest goalkeepers, has misjudged his goal and flicked a shot from going wide into his own net. Pickford's isn'ttt that bad it's just that it looks rediculous. He's slightly misjudged where the bar is and his fingers made an unnatural movement after accidently catching it making them flick. Nothing to do with cockiness, to use his words it was a freak incident. 

Do you make contrary posts for the sake of it?  It was a ridiculous decision. He had his hands shaped to paw at the ball.  If he was going to tip it over the action would have been to bat it over. Complete and utter bollocks. 

He spent the whole of that match engaging in shit with Liverpool fans making rash decisions -miss kicking it cos he was trying to hit it as hard as he could. Awful display. 

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9 minutes ago, hafnia said:

Do you make contrary posts for the sake of it?  It was a ridiculous decision. He had his hands shaped to paw at the ball.  If he was going to tip it over the action would have been to bat it over. Complete and utter bollocks. 

He spent the whole of that match engaging in shit with Liverpool fans making rash decisions -miss kicking it cos he was trying to hit it as hard as he could. Awful display. 

The only thing contrary is your agenda based ranting. You are the one arguing with what Pickford has stated and from what anyone else can see from watching the replays. But go on shout louder like you always do when those strange things called facts conflict with your warped reality. 

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5 minutes ago, pete0 said:

The only thing contrary is your agenda based ranting. You are the one arguing with what Pickford has stated and from what anyone else can see from watching the replays. But go on shout louder like you always do when those strange things called facts conflict with your warped reality. 

Hahaha... I'm just amazed you haven't pinned his mistakes on gana.  Agenda indeed ... 

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On 13/03/2019 at 20:31, badaids said:

Pickford is the best keeper we've had since Nev; he's brilliant.

That tag surely goes to Nigel Martyn - brilliant keeper. If only we’d signed him earlier (like we nearly did).

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2 minutes ago, c1982 said:

That tag surely goes to Nigel Martyn - brilliant keeper. If only we’d signed him earlier (like we nearly did).

Just seen he’s been mentioned - only scanned through the thread and scan quicker past posts when I see Haf/peteO in the same thread so missed this.

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1 hour ago, c1982 said:

Just seen he’s been mentioned - only scanned through the thread and scan quicker past posts when I see Haf/peteO in the same thread so missed this.

Oooh that may get you a like.... don't worry I often make posts that even super dooper posters like yourself do from time to time. 

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6 hours ago, hafnia said:

Oooh that may get you a like.... don't worry I often make posts that even super dooper posters like yourself do from time to time. 

May get me a bite too!!! Surely you must dread the moment peteO posts in the same thread as you as 50 posts later - Lukaku, Kane, straw man, Gueye, fast car analogy, use to play a bit, Jagielka - it’s the same old arguments and same insults thrown... it must be time consuming! It’s a fact - whenever I see that you and peteO have had an exchange, I scroll past it and in this case I repeated a good point you had made. I’m sure many enjoy your exchanges - I don’t.

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4 hours ago, c1982 said:

May get me a bite too!!! Surely you must dread the moment peteO posts in the same thread as you as 50 posts later - Lukaku, Kane, straw man, Gueye, fast car analogy, use to play a bit, Jagielka - it’s the same old arguments and same insults thrown... it must be time consuming! It’s a fact - whenever I see that you and peteO have had an exchange, I scroll past it and in this case I repeated a good point you had made. I’m sure many enjoy your exchanges - I don’t.

The irony is that most posters on here are very very similar in what drives them.....  they just dress it in a different way.... it's whether or not you have the ability to see that.... clearly not in many cases. 

 

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On 14/03/2019 at 22:13, c1982 said:

That tag surely goes to Nigel Martyn - brilliant keeper. If only we’d signed him earlier (like we nearly did).

Martyn was brilliant, I agree, but Pickford will be better than him and is as good a shot stopper as him already.

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Going back to the Newcastle game, I thought he was poor but he was nowhere near as bad as some people on here make it out to be. If goalkeeping is as easy as some of you think its a surprise that there are so few genuine world class keepers about, especially when the 'best' keeper in the world at the moment watches a ball go down the centre of his goal at the same weekend.

He was erratic all game. Keepers need to be calm and clear headed but his emotions were all over the place and that needs to change. Massive fuck up for the penalty, I dont care that he saved it, he was lucky not to get sent off IMO. He made 1 truly world class save during the game, the rest I would expect of most keepers. The first goal he would have saved had it not been from a slight deflection taking it closer to his body. Its ludicrous that people blame him for that. Unfortunately the 2nd goal will happen to keepers with these balls. It doesnt take much of a dip to hit the wrong part of your hand and to therefore go on a different angle than you intend. Essentially Jordan got too much on it. It happens to every keeper. Some get lucky and it goes wide or away from a player, sometimes it doesnt. If he gets too little on it, it goes in the back of the net. The difference between getting it right and it going wrong it probably around 2-3inches on a dipping and swerving ball, struck powerfully, with a short reaction time. 

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11 hours ago, Bailey said:

Going back to the Newcastle game, I thought he was poor but he was nowhere near as bad as some people on here make it out to be. If goalkeeping is as easy as some of you think its a surprise that there are so few genuine world class keepers about, especially when the 'best' keeper in the world at the moment watches a ball go down the centre of his goal at the same weekend.

He was erratic all game. Keepers need to be calm and clear headed but his emotions were all over the place and that needs to change. Massive fuck up for the penalty, I dont care that he saved it, he was lucky not to get sent off IMO. He made 1 truly world class save during the game, the rest I would expect of most keepers. The first goal he would have saved had it not been from a slight deflection taking it closer to his body. Its ludicrous that people blame him for that. Unfortunately the 2nd goal will happen to keepers with these balls. It doesnt take much of a dip to hit the wrong part of your hand and to therefore go on a different angle than you intend. Essentially Jordan got too much on it. It happens to every keeper. Some get lucky and it goes wide or away from a player, sometimes it doesnt. If he gets too little on it, it goes in the back of the net. The difference between getting it right and it going wrong it probably around 2-3inches on a dipping and swerving ball, struck powerfully, with a short reaction time. 

It's not the quality of his game that's the biggest problem.... it's the reason why his game suffers that is and it's his ego/brain.

His choices and sheer stubbornness to change his approach is going to be a huge problem.

It's not about whether you have played in goal to understand whether he is doing well or not..... at this moment he is making more mistakes than any other player in the league which leads to shots and goals.  I can't recall a world class save he made against Newcastle.... I honestly can't. 

His instance on parrying balls out into box is a huge problem. His instincts whilst that to make a stop ate good but he puts the ball back into danger.  If he trusted himself more on crosses and being able to command his area he would probably tip them wide.   Their second goal he tried to palm it and catch it.  Just tip it the fuck over when it's been hit that hard. 

He knows the fans are getting cheesed off with his kicking and he's treating them with contempt.  He needs to get humble and start learning. 

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19 minutes ago, hafnia said:

It's not the quality of his game that's the biggest problem.... it's the reason why his game suffers that is and it's his ego/brain.

His choices and sheer stubbornness to change his approach is going to be a huge problem.

It's not about whether you have played in goal to understand whether he is doing well or not..... at this moment he is making more mistakes than any other player in the league which leads to shots and goals.  I can't recall a world class save he made against Newcastle.... I honestly can't.  

His instance on parrying balls out into box is a huge problem. His instincts whilst that to make a stop ate good but he puts the ball back into danger.  If he trusted himself more on crosses and being able to command his area he would probably tip them wide.   Their second goal he tried to palm it and catch it.  Just tip it the fuck over when it's been hit that hard. 

He knows the fans are getting cheesed off with his kicking and he's treating them with contempt.  He needs to get humble and start learning. 

One of his biggest strengths and weaknesses is between the ears. The strength is that he believes in himself and if you doubt yourself for one minute as a keeper it will rip you apart, but in the same breath, if you think you cant do wrong, you will back yourself in situations you cant win, you can be too pumped up and that adrenaline, or machismo will cloud his judgement.

The bit in bold just shows that you dont know what he was trying to do. No keeper in the world would try and palm a ball down that has been struck like that, and its clear as day that it isnt what he was trying to do. He was making sure he got something behind the ball because of the movement on the ball. He was making sure the ball didnt go in the back of the net from that shot. Pickford had no control over the shot, other than to stop it going in and not do a Karius, or a Dubravka from previous weeks. The problem for Pickford is that his defenders didnt react. Zouma watches Perez run past him. Our general shape before the ball was played forward by their centre back saw Gana unnecessarily in the opposition half, Gomes not aware of the player around him and then both Kenny and Mina (who are marking no-one) back off Almiron, letting him get the ball under control and inviting the shot in the first place.

 

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1 hour ago, Bailey said:

One of his biggest strengths and weaknesses is between the ears. The strength is that he believes in himself and if you doubt yourself for one minute as a keeper it will rip you apart, but in the same breath, if you think you cant do wrong, you will back yourself in situations you cant win, you can be too pumped up and that adrenaline, or machismo will cloud his judgement.

The bit in bold just shows that you dont know what he was trying to do. No keeper in the world would try and palm a ball down that has been struck like that, and its clear as day that it isnt what he was trying to do. He was making sure he got something behind the ball because of the movement on the ball. He was making sure the ball didnt go in the back of the net from that shot. Pickford had no control over the shot, other than to stop it going in and not do a Karius, or a Dubravka from previous weeks. The problem for Pickford is that his defenders didnt react. Zouma watches Perez run past him. Our general shape before the ball was played forward by their centre back saw Gana unnecessarily in the opposition half, Gomes not aware of the player around him and then both Kenny and Mina (who are marking no-one) back off Almiron, letting him get the ball under control and inviting the shot in the first place.

 

Are you a goalkeeping coach? Have you spoken to pickford about what he was trying to do?

To me it's quite clear that he wasn't dealing with the percentages- it wasn't a catch. He tried to take the sting out of it and didn't cushion it enough which can happen.  The percs have play in a cases is to put over or wide for a corner.  

 

 

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3 hours ago, hafnia said:

Are you a goalkeeping coach? Have you spoken to pickford about what he was trying to do?

To me it's quite clear that he wasn't dealing with the percentages- it wasn't a catch. He tried to take the sting out of it and didn't cushion it enough which can happen.  The percs have play in a cases is to put over or wide for a corner.  

 

 

Of course it wasn't a catch. Just look at the technique he used, he was just stopping the ball from going into the goal, hoping that it would go away from goal and away from the opposition. I don't know what is so hard to understand about it as it happens a lot. You see it a lot more abroad where they go with more of a punching technique but Pickford did the right thing by covering more area with open hands.

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6 minutes ago, Bailey said:

Of course it wasn't a catch. Just look at the technique he used, he was just stopping the ball from going into the goal, hoping that it would go away from goal and away from the opposition. I don't know what is so hard to understand about it as it happens a lot. You see it a lot more abroad where they go with more of a punching technique but Pickford did the right thing by covering more area with open hands.

I must have ridiculously high goalkeeping standards if you are saying that that what he did was ok....  it's karius-esque mistakes he is making with regularity now.

It's not age related it's intelligence/ego related. 

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12 minutes ago, hafnia said:

I must have ridiculously high goalkeeping standards if you are saying that that what he did was ok....  it's karius-esque mistakes he is making with regularity now.

It's not age related it's intelligence/ego related. 

It’s a mix of inexperience, age, ego and no clear organisation in front of him for me

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14 minutes ago, hafnia said:

I must have ridiculously high goalkeeping standards if you are saying that that what he did was ok....  it's karius-esque mistakes he is making with regularity now.

It's not age related it's intelligence/ego related. 

No you just have unreal expectations of Pickford (and other Everton players for that matter) when compared to other goalkeepers of his ability. The massive error that he should never be making was the penalty, but you will see elite goalkeepers make that type of save for the 2nd goal on a fairly regular basis.

You only have to look at Dubravka for our 2nd goal, with a much easier ball to clear away from danger. It far easier to read, he has time to go with 2 hands and if he doesn't think that he can control the ball he should be able to guide it back towards where it came from instead of into the path of Richarlison. In his defence though, its another split second reaction and he probably thought that getting something on the ball was better than not.

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54 minutes ago, Bailey said:

No you just have unreal expectations of Pickford (and other Everton players for that matter) when compared to other goalkeepers of his ability. The massive error that he should never be making was the penalty, but you will see elite goalkeepers make that type of save for the 2nd goal on a fairly regular basis.

You only have to look at Dubravka for our 2nd goal, with a much easier ball to clear away from danger. It far easier to read, he has time to go with 2 hands and if he doesn't think that he can control the ball he should be able to guide it back towards where it came from instead of into the path of Richarlison. In his defence though, its another split second reaction and he probably thought that getting something on the ball was better than not.

Which other Everton players do I have unreal expectations of and why are they unreal? 

I'm prepared to accept certain levels of inability vs other players but I'm not prepared to accept piss poor attitude or an inability to show humility regarding areas of play where players are lacking.

Have a proper look at the players I get annoyed by... and look for the similarity. There is a theme and it's nothing to do hairstyles or inability to do a cruyff turn.

I know there is a "haf hates certain players or has agendas" theme...... but that's only true for those lazy enough not to read into why I get pissed off.....

Schneiderlein, mirallas, lukaku, pickford, stones - all have had some serious stick from me. Its not because of a lack of ability.  

Plus I'm not getting into the nonsense of letting pickford away with something cos a goally who cost 1/5th of what he did made  in the same game.  Mistakes will happen....  but they seem to happen with greater chance when pickford decides to go on a one man crusade against fans or spouting shit in the media like ",i won't make mistakes like allisson"

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Keep arguing guys. You sound like fans.

He made a really bad, immature, and big ego mistake. It’s down to age. Neither of you are coaches.... that’s obvious.

He is one of the better goalkeepers in the league. He is making mistakes, but has the time time to learn.'

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